Any Green Industries that HAVEN'T failed?

[Apache]

Question do you guys think this was done on purpose? Or could the many failings be, because our nation just doesnt care enough to support the green? Are we still not buying large Bubba trucks and SUV's? Until we realize that our energy use has to be contained and rethought, most of these business will fail. Why was the clash for clunkers a success overseas, but a failure here?

[Supsalemgr]

Apache just swerved into reality. Obama and his crowd are pushing something that the public does not want. Consequently, it will not sell. It is not that he wanted it to fail, but it does point out his incompetence to understand the marketplace. Consequently he wasted a lot of our money in the process.

[Apache]

Sup, doesnt it have to start somewhere?

[Supsalemgr]

Sup, doesnt it have to start somewhere?

Maybe so, but it should be done with private funds. This is especially true with our current governmental fiscal crisis. We have plenty of cheaper sources of energy and those should be harvested. Let the marketplace determine when "green" becomes viable.

[Apache]

True. But what can we do to change years of abusing our earth and her gifts? We are not the smartest nation at times. Everyone yells about the cost of gas, but keeps on using that car to go one street over to talk with the neighbor. we are spoiled. We want someone else to make the change. We are way important and we are number one! This line of thought is so strong within us. And may very well be our downfall. Not who is sitting in the Oval Office.

[Supsalemgr]

I do not disagree we are spoiled. We are spolied because we have been very succesful as a country. The USA has contributed more to this planet than any other country in history of the world. I am not in the camp that we should nead from behind. That being said, our technology is such that we can harvest fossil fuels much more efficiently and cleaner than in the past. Once again, I feel each state should have the right to determine their own energy destiny.

[Apache]

In that same vein, we have also taken much from this earth. Our trash alone is appalling. our waste of food again appalling. We have polluted and destroyed areas in the wake of some of our success. I am in favor of moderation. Lets explore all avenues and see what we can learn. In a way that leaves something behind besides balck holes, pits and water that burns fire.

[Reality]

Vrede, for one who is supposed to be non aligned you sure do spend a lot of time defending the left and slamming the right.

Apache, have you ever thought about moving to Cuba. I understand they live a pretty spartan life.

[Tertius]

Green energy has not become cast efficient. Manufacturing cost are too high in the US. When the pay back period is less than two years then if and only if the equipment will hold up for more than ten years. Then green energy will become part of the energy mix.

Yes, there are a few special applications that work today.

[Apache]

Why would I move to Cuba, I love my country and only want to leave it better off not worse. My children often did wrong, I didnt move them out, I made what I hope was the right corrections. I dont give up and I dont run. I dont think this solves anything, do you?

[Reality]

Oh, so you are not the Vrede from the old BRN forum. Had me fooled.

[Reality]

Why do you ask and what were your other handles? There's room to put all of them if you abbreviate.

[Colonel Taylor]

They were only a failure to the tax payers. They were a success for Obama since he got millions back in campaign donations.

[Colonel Taylor]

Why do you ask and what were your other handles?...

You brought up the topic. I hear your cowardice, and pity it.

I rarely butt in between a private argument but wouldn't it be cowardly to have dozens of handles on a newspaper forum just to make yourself look good to your buds? Just asking is all.

[Colonel Taylor]

Why do you ask and what were your other handles?...

You brought up the topic. I hear your cowardice, and pity it.

I rarely butt in between a private argument but wouldn't it be cowardly to have dozens of handles on a newspaper forum just to make yourself look good to your buds? Just asking is all.

No, it would be cowardly to bend over for moderators such as the BRN had, like you did.

So it's Ok to break the rules as long as it's in your own best interest. Humm sounds like a liberal to me.

[Reality]

Vrede is approaching critical mass. Handle change is imminent.

[neoplacebo]

Vrede, for one who is suppoded to be non aligned you sure do spend a lot of time defending the left and slamming the right.

Apache, have you ever thought about moving to Cuba. I understand they live a pretty spartan life.

I'd like to go to Cuba, but probably not move there. I just want to go there and see how they keep all those 50's American cars running for so long, and also looking good. I always figured one of the old time gangsters back in the days before (gasp) Castro must have stashed a warehouse full of new GM cars down there. Battalions of workers have done nothing but wash and wax and caress them for nearly 70 years. ok

[neoplacebo]

On second thought, being in a hammock on a beach just down the road from Gitmo with a cooler full of potent Cuban medicine and a binder of Cuban women and a cherry 56 Chevy up there on the side of the road don't sound so bad.......

[Reality]

I guess having a classic auto show in Cuba doesn't mean much.

[Tertius]

Green energy has not become cast efficient. Manufacturing cost are too high in the US. When the pay back period is less than two years then if and only if the equipment will hold up for more than ten years. Then green energy will become part of the energy mix.

Yes, there are a few special applications that work today.

Somewhat true, though much more than "a few" and more than "special".

Why is 2 years your cut-off?

Generally when upgrading a piece of equipment or process 18 to 24 months is the payback justification. Technological improvements come so fast longer paybacks will not expire before another upgrade is necessary to compete.

It was the rule of thumb that my bosses required. I used it hen I upgraded my heat and air system 4 years ago. The payback was too long for both solar and geothermal.