Veteran Day

[Wneglia]

Thank you, Jeff Miller.

[Supsalemgr]

Vrede is certainly entitled to a personal opinion. In my view that example post Vrede posted does not at all indicate hate for America.

It's easy for you to prove, retract your 8-month or so wish for Americans to suffer in order for the GOP to win.

While you're at it, care to comment on Leo Lyons' view of America? Or, is it just "sad" and "pathetic" when you think a lefty feels that way?

My view was patriotic in my opinion. I was willing to accept a little more pain if it would rid us of Obama. Feel free to disagree with my opinion.

[rip]

rip is one sad human being. To not respect our service people is pathetic.

So, I am suppose to respect all service people, simply because they are service people? I suppose you respect this creep?

http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/world/unit ... th-penalty

Just because you are willing to send other people's children off to die for some rich guys dreams doesn't make it respectable.

[neoplacebo]

Vrede is certainly entitled to a personal opinion. In my view that example post Vrede posted does not at all indicate hate for America.

I think you're an America hater, too. One of the more literate ones, but still............

I am grateful we do not agree.

Not as much as me.....I would never offer to pay extra for gasoline or anything else just to have my favorite political party in office. That's just stupid; if you love America, you'd not have a fit over millionaires and billionaires paying a little extra in taxes, or would you? You, by your own volition admit that you'd pay more to get rid of Obama, yet you would not pay more to help our country, just to harm it. Yeah, you and I will not agree on very much of anytihng. I am happy for that. I'm a veteran, and you make me sick that you call yourself an American?

[rstrong]

My view was patriotic in my opinion. I was willing to accept a little more pain if it would rid us of Obama. Feel free to disagree with my opinion.

Not true, you can afford it and you volunteered all other Americans to suffer for your pleasure of a GOP win.

Stinger had an interesting post with a quote by Paul Krugman:

And the looming combination of tax increases and spending cuts looks easily large enough to push America back into recession.

Nobody wants to see that happen. Yet it may happen all the same, and Mr. Obama has to be willing to let it happen if necessary.

Why? Because Republicans are trying, for the third time since he took office, to use economic blackmail to achieve a goal they lack the votes to achieve through the normal legislative process. In particular, they want to extend the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, even though the nation can’t afford to make those tax cuts permanent and the public believes that taxes on the rich should go up — and they’re threatening to block any deal on anything else unless they get their way. So they are, in effect, threatening to tank the economy unless their demands are met.

Mr. Obama essentially surrendered in the face of similar tactics at the end of 2010, extending low taxes on the rich for two more years. He made significant concessions again in 2011, when Republicans threatened to create financial chaos by refusing to raise the debt ceiling. And the current potential crisis is the legacy of those past concessions.

Well, this has to stop — unless we want hostage-taking, the threat of making the nation ungovernable, to become a standard part of our political process.

So what should he do? Just say no, and go over the cliff if necessary.

I don't agree with Supsalemgr on why he called for short-term suffering to defeat the other party, for long-term gain for the country. But if anyone here agrees with Krugman's example, then it'll be hard for them to criticize Supsalemgr for doing the same.

[O Really]

Happy Veterans' Day to all. I was in the military, in Intelligence, although some do find the term "military intelligence" to be an oxymoron. My father was a Marine in the South Pacific in WWII, highly decorated. My mum was a student in the US when the US got into the war and stayed, eventually working at what was Bethesda Naval Hospital, where she met my father and stayed in the US. I'm not one who's going to disparage the military in a broad-brush manner.

But I think it's important to separate the personal military experience from the politics involved with using military force. It's funny how people who did nothing but complain about military ways when they were in, find all things military to be sacred cows once they're out. Including some career people. Not every encounter "protects our freedom." Not every military action is noble - not because of the warriors but because of the politicians.

It is not disrespectful to the soldier to point out that the politicians in charge used his skills and his courage poorly, and unreasonably and unnecessarily put his life in danger - or caused him to lose it. If we can't protest against the government's use of military forces, then where's the freedom they protected?

[Supsalemgr]

Vrede is certainly entitled to a personal opinion. In my view that example post Vrede posted does not at all indicate hate for America.

I think you're an America hater, too. One of the more literate ones, but still............

I am grateful we do not agree.

Not as much as me.....I would never offer to pay extra for gasoline or anything else just to have my favorite political party in office. That's just stupid; if you love America, you'd not have a fit over millionaires and billionaires paying a little extra in taxes, or would you? You, by your own volition admit that you'd pay more to get rid of Obama, yet you would not pay more to help our country, just to harm it. Yeah, you and I will not agree on very much of anytihng. I am happy for that. I'm a veteran, and you make me sick that you call yourself an American?

Have you tried Tums?

[Reality]

If Vred's inference that suffering higher gasoline prices to get rid of Obama implies hatred for America I wonder what Chu's remarks about higher gasoline prices means? Does this statement imply the Obama Administration hates America also?

On Tuesday, the Obama administration admitted it wants Americans to feel more pain at the gas pump in a hearing before the House Appropriations energy and water subcommittee."

http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-r ... gas-prices

I don't think Chu nor Obama hate America but using Vred's rationale they do.

[Reality]

PBO, did you attend the Veteran Services at Forest Lawn yesterday? How about down town today?

[neoplacebo]

PBO, did you attend the Veteran Services at Forest Lawn yesterday? How about down town today?

No, was doing laundry and raking and burning leaves and tree branches. Today, I am at work but am thinking of leaving early as the vision in my left eye is recently afflicted by what looks like a set of fake eyelashes or a flying bat, which, if you try to focus on it, just moves again.....the guys here say it's high blood pressure. Could be repurcussions from 4way bypass two years ago next month. It bothers me but doesn't make me hate America. And the thing about gas prices; I've said it before and I'll say it again....we have been paying artificially low gasoline prices for over 40 years; almost everywhere else in the world that is not a petroleum producing country, gas prices are twice what they are here. We pay less because of the massive government subsidies that the oil companies receive on top of their record profits. Any administration official that exposes this is not hating America, but only pointing out something that evidently 90% of Americans either don't care about or don't realize.

[Reality]

"Come on baby, let's do the twist...." Now all together let's sing it! Verd, you got the bass part.

PBO, I guees youn hate Amercia also since you want us to suffer at the gas pump.

[O Really]

PBO, did you attend the Veteran Services at Forest Lawn yesterday? How about down town today?

... the vision in my left eye is recently afflicted by what looks like a set of fake eyelashes or a flying bat, which, if you try to focus on it, just moves again......

I'm not a doctor - and don't even play one on TV. But you need to go get that eye looked at. Odds are, it's just harmless floaters, but if they're that big or disruptive enough for you to leave work, it could be signs of a retinal tear. Go. First appointment opportunity.

[Reality]

From Forbes to you PBO. Edit added. You to Vred!

Excerpt!

"If we are to have a productive discussion of fossil fuel subsidies, it is important that participants understand what they are, their intended purpose, and the projected impact of removing them. Projecting the impact requires more than a guess. Because of misleading political rhetoric, people imagine these subsidies as cash payments to oil companies. But, many of these subsidies are not what people think they are. In many cases they are benefiting people who have nothing to do with the oil industry — yet the money spent on these programs is still tallied against the oil industry. The result is a great deal of anger over spending that often benefits the angry people. That is why it is so hard to get rid of fossil fuel subsidies; a majority of the population likely supports at least some of them without realizing that they are in fact subsidies. And until those who are loudly screaming that we must eliminate these subsidies actually take the time to understand what they are — as well as the impact of removing them — we can expect there will continue to be much heat and little light on this topic."

Suggest you read the entire article.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/energysourc ... ve-them/2/

[Reality]

So Vred, are the facts provided in the article incorrect. If so, tell us why or are you attacking the author because you cannot disprove what he says.

Is Forbes in the habit of publishing articles based on incorrect information?

What makes you think that I would post something and you would not check it out.

So, how do you feel about oil company subsidies?

[O Really]

Is Forbes in the habit of publishing articles based on incorrect information?

I don't know about habit, but Forbes Magazine, in an article by Steve himself, predicted a Romney win. I'd say he didn't get his info from Nate Silver.

[Leo Lyons]

It's Supsalemgr and Leo Lyons that hate America.

...the U.S. is full of liberal dumb-f**ks led by a dumb-f**k...
They are sad human beings.

Glad you agree, thanks.

Thank you, Jeff Miller.
Bingalow Bull will tear you a new one for that!

rip is one sad human being. To not respect our service people is pathetic.

So, I am suppose to respect all service people, simply because they are service people?
That's one of the great things about life, ripsnort----you don't have to respect anything your mind don't want to respect. You really told us off, feel better now?

I suppose you respect this creep? Just because you are willing to send other people's children off to die for some rich guys dreams doesn't make it respectable.
The ones who get respect are those who earn it; the ones who served their country in any capacity and did so honorably. To give the ultimate sacrifice is beyond anything I can type here, so I, for one, do not respect the creep in your link. I sense you lost a loved one or a child who was serving in the military; if you did, you have my deepest sympathy and respect.

If you are just pissing in the wind, piss on; even your liberal friends aren't backing you on this one.

[Reality]

O'R, did you read the Forbes article on those awful oil subsidies? Are you in favor of keeping them?

More than one individual predicted a Romney win and got egg on their face. Predicting outcomes on hope isn't very accurate. Even Obama knows that.

[Reality]

No Verd, you didn't read the article because of the source. You were fearful that it would say what you did not want to hear. SOP with you.

[Bungalow Bill]

It's not the fault of the soldiers, it's the fault of the American imperialistas who send them on
these idiotic missions, though the soldiers often do use the ridiculous we're fighting for our
freedom line. Not since 1812. Does anyone truly believe the Iraqis and Afghans are an
actual threat to our freedoms? But the freedom spiel is a good sheen to put on we're just
sticking our noses in again, and nobody needs classified information to figure that out.
Another factor in the Grenada invasion may have been the black eye that Uncle Scam
had just got in Lebanon a few days before. Don't mess with the Gipper.

Wimpy Wuss is likely just a coward who now tries to atone for it with his over the top
lust of all things veteran. Pathetic wanker.

[neoplacebo]

"Come on baby, let's do the twist...." Now all together let's sing it! Verd, you got the bass part.

PBO, I guees youn hate Amercia also since you want us to suffer at the gas pump.

Nope, don't want anyone to suffer; most of all Americans. And to address your other gas prices post, above, I've already written about this in the old forum. It's no secret that, should the oil companies stop getting their subsidies, they will pass that loss (of welfare) on to you and me and whoever buys gasoline. That's no secret. The point is that our country needs to be LESS dependant on gasoline, and that's not going to happen as long as the gubbmint keeps the price artificially low. I assume you're in favor of it. I'm not. It's medicine, you know......