Guns, race, religion, terror, wingnut thread

[Vrede too]

"Often Christian". Mr B. said it best.

Your citation of Mr.B's dishonest and unsupported denial of Christian terrorism just makes you look like a fool and a useful idiot for terrorists.

Does "often" have too many syllables for you? My description of Jarrett William Smith was and is accurate, and your whining about premature judgement is nonsensical.

Here's an incomplete list of White, male con domestic terrorism, the majority of attacks we've had since the early 1990s, "often Christian" as I said:

James von Brunn
World Church of the Creator/Creativity Movement, Gabriel Carafa
SS Guardians/Unit 88, Joshua David Fiedler
James Lee Miller
Richard Myers
Volksfront, Randal Lee Krager and Richard Arden
Brien James
Eric “The Butcher” Fairburn
Army of God, Eric Robert Rudolph, Centennial Olympic Park bombing
Aryan Nations
Klan, Michael Donald
The Covenant, The Sword, and the Arm of the Lord
Jewish Defense League
The Order
Phineas Priesthood
Oklahoma City bombing
Anti-abortion violence: David Gunn (murdered by Michael F. Griffin), John Britton and James Barrett (victims of Reverend Paul Jennings Hill), Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols (killed by John Salvi), James Kopp killed at least one, Scott Roeder killed George Tiller
Kenneth Murray "Death" Mieske, Kyle Brewster, and Steve Strasser, murderers of Mulugeta Seraw
Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting
Andrew Joseph Stack
Overland Park Jewish Community Center shooting
Jerad and Amanda Miller
Larry Steven McQuilliams
Kevin William Harpham, 2011 January 17: Spokane, WA bombing attempt
Knoxville Unitarian Universalist church shooting
United States Holocaust Memorial Museum shooting
Jewish Defenders
Jewish Direct Action
Richard White, devout Jehovah’s Witness
Dylann Roof
2015 arson attacks at Planned Parenthood clinics in New Orleans, Louisiana; Pullman, Washington; Thousand Oaks, California; and Aurora, Illinois
Robert Lewis Dear, Jr.
Kayla Norton and Jose Torres
Eric Feight
Russell Thomas Langford
Scott Michael Greene
Joseph Schreiber
The Nevada VanillaISIS Yeehawdi Cowliphate Bundy Klan and their allies
Shane Michael Stanton
Attack on Pat and Joe Jude
Adam Purinton
Eric Feight, Glendon Scott Crawford
Elizabeth and Marc Hokoana
Mitchell W. Adkins
Jeremy Joseph Christian
Daniel Porter-Kelly
Sean Christopher Urbanski
James Alex Fields Jr.
Kenneth Gleason
Michael Christopher Estes
Etowah (GA) High School terror plot - Alfred Dupree and Victoria McCurley
Lane Davis
Brandon Griesemer
Samuel Lincoln Woodward
Michael B. Hari, Joe Morris, Michael McWhorter
Mark Anthony Conditt
Patrick Stein, Gavin Wright and Curtis Allen
Elliot Rodger
Chris Harper-Mercer
Nikolas Cruz
Rex Whitmire Harbour
Dimitrios Pagourtzis
Taylor M. Wilson
William Atchison
Walter Stolper
James Harris Jackson, March 2017 NYC
James Royal Patrick Jr.
James Patrick Huff
Dylan Jarrell
Cesar Sayoc, Jr./Altieri
Gregory Alan Bush
Robert Gregory Bowers
Scott Beierle
Wade Michael Page
Jonathan Logan-Guy Radford
Elizabeth Lecron (rare woman)
Damon Joseph
Aryan Brotherhood in Lynnwood, WA: Randy A. Smith, 38, of Eugene, Oregon, Leah Northcraft, 25, of Raleigh, North Carolina, Nathaniel Woodell, 32, of Woodstock, Illinois, Daniel Dorson, 23, of Corvallis, Oregon, Cory Colwell, 34, of Eugene, Oregon, Guy Miller, 37, of Tacoma, Washington, Vincent B. Nutter, 28, of Bothell, Washington
James Jackson, NYC sword murder of Timothy Caughman
Patrick W. Carlineo
Holden Matthews
Marc Lamparello
Larry Mitchell Hopkins, United Constitutional Patriots
John William King, Lawrence Russell Brewer, Shawn Allen Berry
John T. Earnest
Stephen Taubert
Patrick Crusius
Conor Climo
Santino Legan
James Reardon Jr.
Brandon Wagshol
Eric Lin
Jacob Cooper
Daniel McMahon
Justin Olsen
Jarrett William Smith

I see that you've reverted to whining like a toddler about me on the AGW thread. So, back to not getting your posts opened. I should have known better.

[billy.pilgrim]

How quick we are to judge!

I have to add stupid to his description. Why in hell would anybody, despite having half a brain, go on social media to announce their dire intentions? It's almost as if they want to get caught.

:confusion-scratchheadblue: He is White, he is male, I posted "(often Christian)", his threat to "burn down the house of a far-left-leaning 'antifa' member" proves he's con, and a terrorist threat is terrorism to me, whether or not "he's only an internet troll caught 'spouting off' online."

What did I rush to unwarranted judgement about?

Few White, male (often Christian) con domestic terrorists have half a brain.

You were spot on. Poor Leo is just being a typical Snowflake

[Leo Lyons]

"Often Christian". Mr B. said it best.

Your citation of Mr.B's dishonest and unsupported denial of Christian terrorism just makes you look like a fool and a useful idiot for terrorists.
I was referring to his "just because someone says they are a Christian" line.

My description of Jarrett William Smith was and is accurate, and your whining about premature judgement is nonsensical.
But of course! Forgive me for ever doubting you?

Here's an incomplete list of White, male con domestic terrorism, the majority of attacks we've had since the early 1990s, "often Christian" as I said:


I see that you've reverted to whining like a toddler about me on the AGW thread. So, back to not getting your posts opened. I should have known better.
Aw crap! You poor little thin-skinned baby; now what am I going to do? (dishing it out but can't take it comes to mind)
It's apparent you're still popping Viagra pills; because you're still the biggest prick here!

[Leo Lyons]

You were spot on. Poor Leo is just being a typical Snowflake

Bless my heart.

[Vrede too]

White House Press Secretary: Those ‘Against’ Trump Deserve to Be Called ‘Human Scum’

Stephanie Grisham echoes Dolt .45's incitement of political terrorism over the last 3+ years. They are the real "human scum", though that might be unfair to scum.

[neoplacebo]

White House Press Secretary: Those ‘Against’ Trump Deserve to Be Called ‘Human Scum’

Stephanie Grisham echoes Dolt .45's incitement of political terrorism over the last 3+ years. They are the real "human scum", though that might be unfair to scum.

Shit, didn't Himmler say something like that? It sounds like something he'd say. All human scum is expected to leave town tonight. These people are out of control. They talk about secret hearings that are so secret they don't exist, deny obvious verifiable fact, promote feloniously stupid conspiracy theories. Hell, they probably shoplift on a continuous basis. Weird.

[Vrede too]

Shit, didn't Himmler say something like that? It sounds like something he'd say. All human scum is expected to leave town tonight. These people are out of control. They talk about secret hearings that are so secret they don't exist, deny obvious verifiable fact, promote feloniously stupid conspiracy theories. Hell, they probably shoplift on a continuous basis. Weird.

No G7 coming to Trump Doral National Miami, but there was:

At American Priority Conference, Speakers Sowed Distrust, Peddled Conspiracy Theories, and Called for Civil War

[Vrede too]

Yet another terrorist threat from a Trumpette:

Right-wing pastor says Trump supporters will 'hunt down' Democrats when he leaves office

President Donald Trump's supporters will "hunt down" Democrats and bring "violence to America" once the president leaves office, according to right-wing Christian pastor and conspiracy theorist Rick Wiles.

On his apocalyptic TruNews programme, captured by Right Wing Watch, Mr Wiles said the president's impeachment or "however he leaves" office will inspire "veterans, cowboys, mountain men" and "guys that know how to fight" to bring "violence to America" by hunting down Mr Trump's political enemies.

Co-host Edward Szall said "once the blood starts flowing, it's near impossible to stop"....

Funny that in 3 years our supposed LEO members have never once condemned this criminality.

[Vrede too]

Suspected white supremacist arrested in thwarted (CO) synagogue attack, FBI says

Repugs love to dishonestly screech about supposed lefty anti-Semitism when we really just disagree with Israeli policy. In reality, every violent anti-Semite is a rightwinger, every one.

[Vrede too]

A man is in custody for an acid attack being investigated as a hate crime, bringing some relief to the south side Milwaukee neighborhood

A 61-year-old man has been arrested in connection with an acid attack on Milwaukee's south side Friday night that police are investigating as a hate crime.

Mahud Villalaz, 42, who is an American citizen, suffered second-degree burns to his face after a man he described as being white and in his 50s or 60s berated him and threw acid at him....

"'You cannot park here. You are doing something illegal,'" Villalaz recalled the man saying.

The comments quickly adopted an anti-immigrant tone.

"'Why did you come here and invade my country?'" Villalaz said the man asked him.

Villalaz ignored the man and moved his truck one block forward. As he returned to the restaurant, the man began accusing him anew of being in the U.S. illegally.

Villalaz, who grew up in Peru and immigrated to the United States as a young man, is a U.S. citizen....

Once IDed this perp will be added to my list of White, male (often Christian) con domestic terrorists, the majority of attackers we've had since at least the 1970s. I've already added anti-Semitic white supremacist Richard Holzer (above).

[neoplacebo]

A man is in custody for an acid attack being investigated as a hate crime, bringing some relief to the south side Milwaukee neighborhood

A 61-year-old man has been arrested in connection with an acid attack on Milwaukee's south side Friday night that police are investigating as a hate crime.

Mahud Villalaz, 42, who is an American citizen, suffered second-degree burns to his face after a man he described as being white and in his 50s or 60s berated him and threw acid at him....

"'You cannot park here. You are doing something illegal,'" Villalaz recalled the man saying.

The comments quickly adopted an anti-immigrant tone.

"'Why did you come here and invade my country?'" Villalaz said the man asked him.

Villalaz ignored the man and moved his truck one block forward. As he returned to the restaurant, the man began accusing him anew of being in the U.S. illegally.

Villalaz, who grew up in Peru and immigrated to the United States as a young man, is a U.S. citizen....

Once IDed this perp will be added to my list of White, male (often Christian) con domestic terrorists, the majority of attackers we've had since at least the 1970s. I've already added anti-Semitic white supremacist Richard Holzer (above).

My guess is that acid man is a convicted felon or is otherwise prohibited from owning firearms. He seems like the sort of wingnut who would always go armed if he could. Besides, who the fuck carries acid around with them? I wonder if Dick Cheney ever considered using acid in his waterboarding policy. I figure he considered it but decided to just drink the acid instead.

[Vrede too]

My guess is that acid man is a convicted felon or is otherwise prohibited from owning firearms. He seems like the sort of wingnut who would always go armed if he could.

Good guess.

Besides, who the fuck carries acid around with them? I wonder if Dick Cheney ever considered using acid in his waterboarding policy. I figure he considered it but decided to just drink the acid instead.

He used it for face cream. Swallowing was to jump start that thing that took the place of his heart in the mornings.

Man arrested in Milwaukee acid attack was convicted of false imprisonment of hunters


Clifton A. Blackwell in a 2006 photo

I have some sympathy for PTSD, but it does not cause racism and acid attacks.

Mayor says Trump feeds anti-immigrant feelings

Mayor Tom Barrett said Monday he was horrified by the weekend acid attack and blamed it in part on President Donald Trump's attitudes feeding anti-immigrant fervor.

"You don't begin a conversation with a racial slur and end it by throwing acid in someone's face," Barrett said at a brief news conference at City Hall Monday morning. "This is not what happens in a just society."

Barrett said he is concerned that such attitudes are "condoned at the highest levels of government."

"This anger toward people from other countries is being fed by our president and by his followers," Barrett said....

U.S. Rep. Gwen Moore, D-Milwaukee, said she was "horrified to learn about this violent act of hate," sent sympathy to Villalaz and his family and thanked the Milwaukee Police Department for acting quickly.

"No person should feel vulnerable because of their ethnicity or identity," Moore said in a statement. "The bigotry and hatred driving the nationwide rise in hate crimes aims to sow division, but Milwaukee will not stand for it. Instead, we must continue to embrace and love our neighbors. The fabric of our communities is strengthened by our diversity, which makes Milwaukee such a special place to live."

Data collected by the FBI showed a 17% increase in hate crimes across the U.S. in 2017, the third annual increase in a row. Anti-Hispanic incidents increased by 24%, from 344 in 2016 to 427 in 2017, according to the FBI data. Of crimes motivated by hatred over race, ethnicity or ancestry, nearly half involved African Americans, while about 11% were classified as anti-Hispanic bias.

Good, the buck stops on the Oval Office desk.

[billy.pilgrim]

I have some sympathy for PTSD, but it does not cause racism and acid attacks.

verified most popular legal defense for racists who joined the military so they could go shoot brown people

[Vrede too]

I have some sympathy for PTSD, but it does not cause racism and acid attacks.

verified most popular legal defense for racists who joined the military so they could go shoot brown people

... According to his mother, Blackwell has been under the care of the Department of Veterans Affairs in Milwaukee for post-traumatic stress disorder stemming from earlier service in the Marine Corps....

He's 61, which means he was probably in the USMC in the late 1970s. I had no idea that peacetime barracks life was so rough.

[billy.pilgrim]

I have some sympathy for PTSD, but it does not cause racism and acid attacks.

verified most popular legal defense for racists who joined the military so they could go shoot brown people

... According to his mother, Blackwell has been under the care of the Department of Veterans Affairs in Milwaukee for post-traumatic stress disorder stemming from earlier service in the Marine Corps....

He's 61, which means he was probably in the USMC in the late 1970s. I had no idea that peacetime barracks life was so rough.

Couldn't he have relisted after 9.11

PTSD is very real. It is s also a very real "catch all" designer defense for pretty much all bad behavior, but especially so with racists.

[Vrede too]

Couldn't he have relisted after 9.11....

Could be, but if that were so I THINK his family would have used different phrasing. Here's another article:
https://heavy.com/news/2019/11/clifton-blackwell/

... The Journal Sentinel further reported that Blackwell is a military veteran. His mother Jacqueline told the newspaper that he had been treated previously for PTSD by the Milwaukee Department of Veterans Affairs due to his Marine Corps service. She told the newspaper that she thought the VA was giving him good care.

According to the Associated Press, Blackwell’s brother, Arthur Blackwell of Colorado, said his brother was “not a confrontational person” and had served in the Marines for almost four years....

PTSD is very real. It is s also a very real "catch all" designer defense for pretty much all bad behavior, but especially so with racists.

Idk that he's blaming his PTSD for this premeditated attack and I'm not saying it wasn't a factor, but he's a racist, criminal asshole regardless of the PTSD.

[neoplacebo]

Couldn't he have relisted after 9.11....

Could be, but if that were so I THINK his family would have used different phrasing. Here's another article:
https://heavy.com/news/2019/11/clifton-blackwell/

... The Journal Sentinel further reported that Blackwell is a military veteran. His mother Jacqueline told the newspaper that he had been treated previously for PTSD by the Milwaukee Department of Veterans Affairs due to his Marine Corps service. She told the newspaper that she thought the VA was giving him good care.

According to the Associated Press, Blackwell’s brother, Arthur Blackwell of Colorado, said his brother was “not a confrontational person” and had served in the Marines for almost four years....

PTSD is very real. It is s also a very real "catch all" designer defense for pretty much all bad behavior, but especially so with racists.

Idk that he's blaming his PTSD for this premeditated attack and I'm not saying it wasn't a factor, but he's a racist, criminal asshole regardless of the PTSD.

It says he served "almost four years" which leads me to believe he was kicked out or otherwise did not fulfill the term of his enlistment. The USMC is part of the Department of the Navy and they don't have enlistment periods of "almost four years" and never have. It's two, four, or six typically, and unless you're a criminal or mentally unstable or a complete fuckup you don't get kicked out. Besides, the military tries to cull the undesirables out during boot camp, which is a lot less than "almost four years." Something is missing from the narrative here.

[O Really]

I don't know if they still have it, but back in the day there were "early out" programs that got you out I think up to 3 months early. As I recall, it applied to, for example, people whose current assignment was ending, but they didn't have time left on the enlistment to start a new one. Probably other reasons, too.

[neoplacebo]

I don't know if they still have it, but back in the day there were "early out" programs that got you out I think up to 3 months early. As I recall, it applied to, for example, people whose current assignment was ending, but they didn't have time left on the enlistment to start a new one. Probably other reasons, too.

Ok, I'll play trump: show me the service record. Show me the college or high school transcripts and birth certificate. Nah, I understand what you say and am aware of some folks getting an "early out" sort of thing either due to less demand for their particular rate (job) or because of budget matters or even because some guys maybe saved up their thirty day annual leave to become 120 days before their four year enlistment ended. Somehow I feel this acid man is in another category. I could be wrong and never said I never was. I think acid man is an outcast.

[O Really]

I don't know if they still have it, but back in the day there were "early out" programs that got you out I think up to 3 months early. As I recall, it applied to, for example, people whose current assignment was ending, but they didn't have time left on the enlistment to start a new one. Probably other reasons, too.

Ok, I'll play trump: show me the service record. Show me the college or high school transcripts and birth certificate. Nah, I understand what you say and am aware of some folks getting an "early out" sort of thing either due to less demand for their particular rate (job) or because of budget matters or even because some guys maybe saved up their thirty day annual leave to become 120 days before their four year enlistment ended. Somehow I feel this acid man is in another category. I could be wrong and never said I never was. I think acid man is an outcast.

Oh, I agree with you. As I think about it, even with an early out, you'd generally be considered to have served "four years".