Billy Graham suggesting Mormons are a cult.

[perspctv]

Your argument is it is religious people and not religion?

A distinction without much real world merit, but ok, exchange out religious people where I wrote religion if it somehow makes you feel better. By the way, of course it is religious people you fucking dope. I didn't think religious unicorns were representing their religion and shaping public policy to meet their religious tenets. Holy shit but is that the cream of moron counters. I am an atheist ... the only thing or entity shaping this issue is religious people. Additional hint: religious people don't exist without religion.

First you say religion's influence on laws doesn't exist ... then you realize that ain't playing so well... now you admit it actually does and go with "tough, you should just deal with it." Well, talking about it ... calling attention to it - limiting it where I can IS dealing with it. That is the way democracy works and change happens.

As per gay marriage or marriage across racial lines ... where was the opposition but out of religion (read religious people)? Your claim ... back it up - where was/is the secular resistance? I don't think you capable.

Re: beer. Why does such restriction so often fall of Sunday? I am sure you find it a riddle.

What "religion of atheism" scientific theories are you referencing here, backwoods? Spell it out. Have the courage of your erroneous convictions and attempt to speak plainly. Step up ... quit slinking about with hints.

Re: I am a taxpayer and, sadly probably pay more (and have for years) than you. Be that as it may, you just merely try a tired straw man here again. The Hyde amendment forbids taxpayers for paying for abortion. But, just to drive home how you are misrepresenting the real issues ... just go ahead and write out how any abortion is perfectly fine with you as long as taxpayers don't pay for it. Go on ... write it out. Shouldn't be so hard. You are anonymous and all.

"I, Blackfoot, think abortion should remain legal and accessible to any and all who want it without restrictions as long as no public monies (taxpayer funds) are used in their commission." Or something similar.

No - I think all will see soon enough you won't and your argument to limit others access to this procedure has much more to do with my money.

Planning on running away now? Toodles, lightweight.

[Reality]

O'Really said "But I think he's majorly besmirching his own legacy."

You wouldn't be saying that if he was in your camp.

[perspctv]

You wouldn't be saying that if he wasn't in your camp.

[O Really]

O'Really said "But I think he's majorly besmirching his own legacy."

You wouldn't be saying that if he was in your camp.

Yes, I would. I don't know if you ever saw Billy Graham's act or not, but he's truly spectacular. I saw him ten or so years ago in Florida on what was generally expected to be his last hurrah. He filled a stadium, and came up to the podium slowly, with assistance - almost being carried. When he started to speak, however, his voice strengthened, he became more animated, and delivered a great show. He's avoided all the scandal that hit a lot of the TV evangelists, and has been well-respected by people the world over. For all of that time, he's stayed above "worldly" issues, and focused on his beliefs and his message. He's never endorsed anyone, nor dissed anyone in politics. I don't really think his semi-endorsement will make any more difference than any other celebrity endorsement, but I think getting into that game cheapens what he has done through the years - which is truly unique and incomparable in the world of big-audience evangelism.

[perspctv]

O'Really said "But I think he's majorly besmirching his own legacy."

You wouldn't be saying that if he was in your camp.

Yes, I would. I don't know if you ever saw Billy Graham's act or not, but he's truly spectacular. I saw him ten or so years ago in Florida on what was generally expected to be his last hurrah. He filled a stadium, and came up to the podium slowly, with assistance - almost being carried. When he started to speak, however, his voice strengthened, he became more animated, and delivered a great show. He's avoided all the scandal that hit a lot of the TV evangelists, and has been well-respected by people the world over. For all of that time, he's stayed above "worldly" issues, and focused on his beliefs and his message. He's never endorsed anyone, nor dissed anyone in politics. I don't really think his semi-endorsement will make any more difference than any other celebrity endorsement, but I think getting into that game cheapens what he has done through the years - which is truly unique and incomparable in the world of big-audience evangelism.

Well said. I don't believe in some of his message but I saw him in my youth. He carried himself well for many years.

[O Really]

Well said. I don't believe in some of his message but I saw him in my youth. He carried himself well for many years.

Yeah, you don't have to be a believer to admire what he does. He never got into a lot of complicated theology, just a simple message of his belief and faith. He spoke to "everyone" in a way anyone could relate to. He's in a tough business to be "clean" for decades, and whether I personally believe what he does doesn't make me any less likely to think he was sincere and that his message - even taken on a non-religious perspective - wasn't worthwhile for anyone. Franklin, on the other hand, is probably more in the league of Swaggart and Bakker, and his time will come, as did theirs... http://voices.yahoo.com/top-10-christia ... 43034.html

[Bungalow Bill]

What some people want taught in science classes, and it might be a minority, is what current scientific
theories say, not whatever unproven alternatives are out there. Creationism got kicked out of class,
so the fundis tried to replace it with intelligent design. That didn't meet the mark either. Time to call it
a day and just accept the fact that, at the present time, religion dogma just ain't science.

I always get a kick out of the phrase 'religion of atheism.' What just about all religions have in common
is the element of belief in some sort of supernaturalism. Guess what the most obvious characteristic of
atheism is.

Billy is likeable enough.

[blackfoot]

Your argument is it is religious people and not religion?

No, your's is dimwit, try to keep up will you.

First you say religion's influence on laws doesn't exist

Oh, about as much as non religious people's influence does. Get the point yet? Damn son, does your mama still wipe your backside?

As per gay marriage or marriage across racial lines ... where was the opposition but out of religion (read religious people)? Your claim ... back it up - where was/is the secular resistance? I don't think you capable.

You probably don't even realize that "religious people" ended slavery did you? I swear I'm trying, but your ignorance of history and present day events are almost on the same level as that buffoon lizard boy.

Re: beer. Why does such restriction so often fall of Sunday? I am sure you find it a riddle.

Since you appear to be so threatened by the "religious people" around you, and since you probably live in a trailer park in Hendersonville (Bible Belt), I assume you are directing your arguments towards Christianity. So lets start there. Show me in scripture, the verse that is used to mandate alcohol should not be sold on Sunday?

What "religion of atheism" scientific theories are you referencing here

You do know what a "theory" is don't you Einstein? There are theory on both sides of the debate, both should be taught as theory.

The Hyde amendment forbids taxpayers for paying for abortion.

But it doesn't forbid the government funding of Planned Parenthood, the largest provider of abortions. How convenient huh.

just go ahead and write out how any abortion is perfectly fine with you as long as taxpayers don't pay for it.

It's not fine with me because of that little phrase "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" , you know from the United States Declaration of Independence.

And yet, you will probably return for another smackdown....

[blackfoot]

I always get a kick out of the phrase 'religion of atheism.'

http://firstchurchofatheism.com/

[perspctv]

Your argument is it is religious people and not religion?

No, your's is dimwit, try to keep up will you.

I am fine with it ... though you brought it up, dufus, as if it made some difference. I think the terms interchangeable/synonymous. What you offer is a distinction without a difference.

First you say religion's influence on laws doesn't exist

Oh, about as much as non religious people's influence does. Get the point yet? Damn son, does your mama still wipe your backside?

You've gone from they don't exist to they don't matter to they are balanced by sane secular people. Good thing for the latter.

As per gay marriage or marriage across racial lines ... where was the opposition but out of religion (read religious people)? Your claim ... back it up - where was/is the secular resistance? I don't think you capable.

You probably don't even realize that "religious people" ended slavery did you? I swear I'm trying, but your ignorance of history and present day events are almost on the same level as that buffoon lizard boy.

A religious people defended it, wanker. The Bible brims over with how to treat your slave, how to sell your daughter into slavery etc etc

But we weren't talking slavery here, rather marriage. I see you are trying to run away with your tail between your legs. Where is your evidence that secular groups fought against marriage across racial lines or marriage between same sex adults?

Tick, tock. Smear and flee ... the right winger debate style.

Defend and support your words, weasel.

Re: beer. Why does such restriction so often fall of Sunday? I am sure you find it a riddle.

Since you appear to be so threatened by the "religious people" around you, and since you probably live in a trailer park in Hendersonville (Bible Belt), I assume you are directing your arguments towards Christianity. So lets start there. Show me in scripture, the verse that is used to mandate alcohol should not be sold on Sunday?

Who said it was? Straw man ... bet any defending it are religious. Show me any secular group arguing for such laws.

What "religion of atheism" scientific theories are you referencing here

You do know what a "theory" is don't you Einstein? There are theory on both sides of the debate, both should be taught as theory.

Chickenshit running away again ... what scientific theories adhere to the "religion of atheism"? You are too embarrassed to speak clearly.

The Hyde amendment forbids taxpayers for paying for abortion.

But it doesn't forbid the government funding of Planned Parenthood, the largest provider of abortions. How convenient huh.

[/quote]

Planned Parenthood does much more than provide abortions and they are legally not allowed to use that money for abortions. But as we will see below ... this is but a beard. This is just the convenient excuse y'all mewl about to explain away why y'all are opposing what you have always opposed. Were public money for Planned Parenthood removed y'all still would seek to restrict and prevent.

just go ahead and write out how any abortion is perfectly fine with you as long as taxpayers don't pay for it.

It's not fine with me because of that little phrase "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" , you know from the United States Declaration of Independence.

And yet, you will probably return for another smackdown....

Thanks for proving me right and yourself full of shit.

Though l doubt you are smart enough to appreciate it you have proven your prior positions utter bullshit.

"who can or cannot get an abortion", the issue there is really who pays for it. You want taxpayers to pay for the mistakes you have made with your children breeding like rats and then expect us to pay for the outcome? Religions not your enemy there brainless, sick and tired taxpayers are.

You can't even carry off a consistent lie, maroon. (Yes, moron, that is spelled that way on purpose.

You think running away from your words means you are "winning" is pretty comical. I have revealed any number of your words, views and positions have as many holes as Swiss cheese. Many of your claims have been revealed as wrong.

You are too timid and cowardly to specify which scientific theories should be taught along side the comic book explaining that really the Flying Spaghetti Monster is responsible for gravity, etc.

Here is a small recap of your stupid:

Religions don't have an impact on public policy.
Pro-life folks only really care about public funding of abortion.
Argued you should be a Muslim.
Claimed your god exists if he can't be disproven.
Implied scientific theories are atheist.
Atheists are incapable of hope.
Some drivel about intelligent design.
Secular groups have fought against marriage between same sex and/or across racial lines.

Clearly your cup of stupid has long since runneth over.

[Wneglia]

Planned Parenthood does much more than provide abortions and they are legally not allowed to use that money for abortions.

I hope you are not referring to the mammogram lie that Obama told.

[Wneglia]

...Planned Parenthood does much more than provide abortions and they are legally not allowed to use that money for abortions. But as we will see below ... this is but a beard. This is just the convenient excuse y'all mewl about to explain away why y'all are opposing what you have always opposed. Were public money for Planned Parenthood removed y'all still would seek to restrict and prevent...

I hope you are not referring to the mammogram lie that Obama told.

What lie? Obama did not say that mammograms are performed in Planned Parenthood clinics. From your own link:

...During Tuesday’s presidential debate with GOP contender Mitt Romney, Obama declared:

When Gov. Romney says that we should eliminate funding for Planned Parenthood, there are millions of women all across the country who rely on Planned Parenthood for not just contraceptive care; they rely on it for mammograms, for cervical cancer screenings. That’s a pocketbook issue for women and families all across the country, and it makes a difference in terms of how well and effectively women are able to work.

...Karen Handel, former vice president for policy at the Susan B. Komen Race for the Cure, indicates that Planned Parenthood merely serves as the “middle-woman,” referring women to mammography providers.

Politifact notes:

Planned Parenthood also refers women to breast specialists when a potential abnormality is found and follow-up tests are needed. And with the organization’s expanded breast health initiative, Planned Parenthood will be able to cover the cost of this specialized care for more women.

...

From Planned Parenthood's website:

...Planned Parenthood doctors and nurses teach patients about breast care, connect patients to resources to help them get vital biopsies, ultrasounds, and mammograms, and follow up to make sure patients are cared for with the attention they need and deserve...

Did you not read your own article or bother to do any independent research?

It was the implication during the debate, that mammograms were performed at PP.

[Apache]

I dont think at his age Billy is behind much, Franklin is running that show. Which can now be called a horse and pony show. Billy Graham is one of the most admired men of his time. someone mentioned his simple ways and that was his success. When he spoke, he spoke his beliefs in a message that everyone could understand. Times were certainly more innocent then. I believe that Bily changed some people lives for the better, he provided comfort, if you believe his message. I doubt Franklin will ever see the success of his father. Or even come near.

[perspctv]

Planned Parenthood does much more than provide abortions and they are legally not allowed to use that money for abortions.

I hope you are not referring to the mammogram lie that Obama told.

They do refer for mammograms ... just not all of them offer them on site. They do more than mammograms too.

[Wneglia]

It was the implication during the debate, that mammograms were performed at PP.

Not by my reading of the quote from your own link. Was there something else said? Since women get screened by PP, find out they should get mammograms from PP, and do access mammograms through PP, then cutting PP funding will restrict that awareness and access. Obama is not responsible for your faulty mis-assumptions and imaginary lies.

PP provides referral for mammograms. Not performing them. Not paying for them.

[perspctv]

For all the wingnuts confused about PP: http://factcheck.org/2012/10/planned-pa ... ammograms/

[Bungalow Bill]

So atheists have a sense of humor and irony. It doesn't change the fact that religion is
all about the unseen supernatural and atheism is about just the opposite, which is why
it can never truly be a religion.

[Crock Hunter]

What "religion of atheism" scientific theories are you referencing here

You do know what a "theory" is don't you Einstein? There are theory <sic> on both sides of the debate, both should be taught as theory.

Sure.. I'd be happy to try and explain this to you... First.. not all theories should be taught in school unless that class is in how religion and mythology have impeded the progress of human knowledge... Simply because someone believes deeply in some often obscure "Theory" does not give their pet theory equal weight with an explanation of a given system that has successfully shouldered the application of rigorous testing..

Discredited or Superseded Theories e.g. Spontaneous Generation, Preformationism and of course the mythologically inspired Geocentric Universe, Flat Earth, Creationism and Intelligent Design theories were found to be baseless... They failed when tested by empirical experimentation and were found not able to meet even the most basic standards of scientific methodology. As such they are not taught as science but rather as a sidebar about the pitfalls of conjecture born of faith ..

Likely.. you've had an adult explain this to you before and perhaps when your pubes fill in this will become knowable to you.. ..

You probably don't even realize that "religious people" ended slavery did you?

You, as our finest picker of low hanging fruit in lobbing up such an obvious and idiotic rewrite of history have outdone yourself .. ..

"My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation and the human origin of the scriptures, have become clearer and stronger with advancing years and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change them." -A Lincoln

As for the end of slavery.. it was of course Liberals that led America out of that poisonous atmosphere. You may recall that ultimately religious conservatives went so far as to attempt to dissolve our union to protect their "right"..


But by all means... please continue with your struggle for relevance... though complete devoid of facts, these postcards from your alternate reality are at least amusing.. .

[blackfoot]

First.. not all theories should be taught in school

So you don't want evolution taught in schools?

As for the end of slavery.. it was of course Liberals that led America out of that poisonous atmosphere.

Yes, the republicans did this, So now you are for the republicans?

Like always, you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground.

[Reality]

"The ideological heirs of racist Southern Dems are now registered GOP." Opinion, proof, or another pull from the orifice that you referred to in your post. Trend would indiucate the latter.