The Religion Thread

[Mr.B]

"Nope, I've never posted nor told you via PM exactly what kind of working ships I was on. Maybe someone else told you correctly, maybe they were making things up."
I don't recall exactly; I think it may have been back when Greenpeace climbed the smokestacks at Lake Julian.

"You seem to have conveniently forgotten, as usual, that this tangent began with your contention that it's cowardly to not join the military."
I may have "conveniently" forgotten; ( :-0?> ) but it seems we were discussing draft-dodging, I don't know. At any rate, the subject isn't interesting enough for me to go back and pore over my posts.

"Whatever your reasons, you chose a service and specialty that had nearly zero risk of ever seeing combat during our mostly costly war since WWII."
Wrong...I stated my reasons above. At the time, I had no inkling as to where I would serve. At least I didn't run off to Canada to avoid service. My specialty was chosen because I knew my training would serve me after military service; and it did.

"Recruiters still lie, get it in writing."
Agreed. Long gone are the days when a handshake upheld a man's honest intention.

"If you enlisted in 1966 how can you say that you weren't "even close to being drafted"?
Meaning I hadn't received a draft notice yet.

[billy.pilgrim]

"Nope, I've never posted nor told you via PM exactly what kind of working ships I was on. Maybe someone else told you correctly, maybe they were making things up."
I don't recall exactly; I think it may have been back when Greenpeace climbed the smokestacks at Lake Julian.

"You seem to have conveniently forgotten, as usual, that this tangent began with your contention that it's cowardly to not join the military."
I may have "conveniently" forgotten; ( :-0?> ) but it seems we were discussing draft-dodging, I don't know. At any rate, the subject isn't interesting enough for me to go back and pore over my posts.

"Whatever your reasons, you chose a service and specialty that had nearly zero risk of ever seeing combat during our mostly costly war since WWII."
Wrong...I stated my reasons above. At the time, I had no inkling as to where I would serve. At least I didn't run off to Canada to avoid service. My specialty was chosen because I knew my training would serve me after military service; and it did.

"Recruiters still lie, get it in writing."
Agreed. Long gone are the days when a handshake upheld a man's honest intention.

"If you enlisted in 1966 how can you say that you weren't "even close to being drafted"?
Meaning I hadn't received a draft notice yet.

verde, he may have convinced himself that he wasn't close; we know he lies to us, I wouldn't be surprised that he lies to himself

1A in 1966 is like way big time close and prompted many to join, marry or move to the cool blue north

bb is a draft dodger, as was I
so was cheney and lil bush

I've enjoyed the conversation - somehow imagining bb getting his navy initiation makes him look even more ridiculous

[billy.pilgrim]

bb, your pitiful excuse for dodging service by joining something that kept you out of nam doesn't begin to stack up the brave men who left family and country in protest of a wrong war


you are a draft dodger, just like lil bush, cheney and me

[Mr.B]

"verde, he may have convinced himself that he wasn't close; we know he lies to us, I wouldn't be surprised that he lies to himself
The only liar (and wuss) you know is the one you see in your mirror. It's evident how you and Vrede secretly admire me.
1A in 1966 is like way big time close and prompted many to join, marry or move to the cool blue north...bb is a draft dodger, as was I
so was cheney and lil bush
Because you were a coward doesn't mean everyone was.

I've enjoyed the conversation - somehow imagining bb getting his navy initiation makes him look even more ridiculous
Not as ridiculous as a draft dodger such as yourself.

[Mr.B]

bb, your pitiful excuse for dodging service by joining something that kept you out of nam doesn't begin to stack up the brave men who left family and country in protest of a wrong war...you are a draft dodger, just like lil bush, cheney and me

I guess you'll just have to live with it; I find no reason to quibble about something that happened almost 50 years ago.

[O Really]

bb, your pitiful excuse for dodging service by joining something that kept you out of nam doesn't begin to stack up the brave men who left family and country in protest of a wrong war


you are a draft dodger, just like lil bush, cheney and me

And me. In the job I had, if there had been any trouble they would have hauled us off just ahead of the women and children.

[billy.pilgrim]

bb, your pitiful excuse for dodging service by joining something that kept you out of nam doesn't begin to stack up the brave men who left family and country in protest of a wrong war...you are a draft dodger, just like lil bush, cheney and me

I guess you'll just have to live with it; I find no reason to quibble about something that happened almost 50 years ago.

long as you understand that when your 70 year old ass is rolling through the Walmart parking lot with your retired navy bumper sticker -

a lot of us only see another draft dodger

[rstrong]

you are a draft dodger, just like lil bush, cheney and me

And me.

And me. I hid in Canada, never obtained US citizenship, and stayed below the military age restrictions just to be sure.

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"HA! I was there when the sh*t hit the fan in Vietnam. I was there man. We ran ops deep into Canada. WE were elite man. We knew how to kill Charlie even when he was disguised as an evil Quebecer. We were that good."
- Plain and Simple Cronan

[rstrong]

INTERNATIONALISM IN PRACTICE
An American soldier in a hospital explained how he was wounded: He said, "I was told that the way to tell a hostile Vietnamese from a friendly Vietnamese was to shout 'To hell with Ho Chi Minh!' If he shoots, he's unfriendly. So I saw this dude and yelled 'To hell with Ho Chi Minh!' and he yelled back, 'To hell with President Johnson!' We were shaking hands when a truck hit us."
- 1,001 Ways to Beat the Draft, by Tuli Kupferburg

[Mr.B]

"long as you understand that when your 70 year old ass is rolling through the Walmart parking lot with your retired navy bumper sticker - a lot of us only see another draft dodger"

You won't see that; didn't retire from the Navy.

Let's say I did dodge the draft...no big deal. What's your point in all your whining anyway?

[JTA]

bb, your pitiful excuse for dodging service by joining something that kept you out of nam doesn't begin to stack up the brave men who left family and country in protest of a wrong war...you are a draft dodger, just like lil bush, cheney and me

I guess you'll just have to live with it; I find no reason to quibble about something that happened almost 50 years ago.

Whatever man good on you for doing your thing. Everybody has their things. I do things. sometimes I fling my own thing when I'm alone surfing the nets but that's another story and a completely personal thing.

Moral of the story is just do your things and eat some chicken wings.

[Mr.B]

"- Plain and Simple Cronan"

When did you decide on the last name 'Cronan'?

"You know, come to think of it, you and I make a great team. We should team up and call ourselves 'Plain and Simple'.
I'm plain and you're....." (page 144)

[Mr.B]

"....sweet memories bb..."

Guess I'll have to take back all I said or insinuated about you b.p. .. I found this after I discovered you were a Walmart junkie....
You never said anything about being left-handed.

[Mr.B]

"I grew up in Auburn Ala - -"
it is really more simple...if they served in the late 60s and didn't go to nam, it was because they evaded the draft by joining, but were too stupid to stay in school, or too ugly to get married..."

Or....the gummit discovered too many family members were already enlisted...

[billy.pilgrim]

for an old man, you know very little about the difference in bammer and barner

ask Boat

college towns are great places to grow up and I didn't have to go through navy date line funzies to dodge the draft

memories

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=mem ... DD4CE14C76

[JTA]

"I grew up in Auburn Ala - -"
it is really more simple...if they served in the late 60s and didn't go to nam, it was because they evaded the draft by joining, but were too stupid to stay in school, or too ugly to get married..."

Or....the gummit discovered too many family members were already enlisted...

Cuz I'm a black albino, straight from Alabama, way down south and you know that I'm a black albino...

[Mr.B]

for an old man, you know very little about the difference in bammer and barner
Never claimed to...

ask Boat
Don't have to...

college towns are great places to grow up
I wouldn't know...

and I didn't have to go through navy date line funzies to dodge the draft
So tell us what you did have to go through...


memories------ Beautiful song; always liked that one.

[O Really]

Found while looking for something else...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-695i1JhEz34/U ... 0873_n.jpg

[O Really]

Thanks, I didn't know that. I thought I had to copy and upload.

[neoplacebo]

"When I was in the Navy, electronics technicians had some sort of lightning bolt type insignia on their ratings, but I was never on a nuclear powered ship."
This one maybe? That would be an Electronics Warfare Technician, which merged into Cryptologic Technician
on October 1, 2003....after my time..

Yeah, I think that's the one I was thinking of. I was a storekeeper; my badge was just a couple of crossed keys in an "x" fashion. With a little effort, it could be turned into a skull and crossbones, though.