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Happy day for Billy.P - Gus be gone...

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nfl/au ... r-BB1bTCgj
His buyout cost Auburn $21.7 million! I wonder how many academic scholarships that would fund.

Replacements being dis-Gus-sed:
Hugh Freeze - head football coach at Liberty University.
Lane Kiffin - head football coach at Ole Miss and former 'Bama offensive coordinator.
Steve Sarkisian - currently the 'Bama offensive coordinator, former BYU QB.
Billy Napier - Louisiana head coach, former Nick Saban assistant.
Mario Cristobal - Oregon head coach, former Nick Saban assistant.
Tony Elliott - Clemson offensive coordinator and former Clemson player.
Yuck.

Others:
Bill Clark, UAB head coach
Matt Campbell, Iowa State head coach
Oregon Ducks replace Washington Huskies in Pac-12 title game (vs USC) in college football

... It was determined the Huskies would be unable to field the 53 scholarship players needed to play because of positive cases for COVID-19 and the related contact-tracing protocols, the conference said. The Huskies were also below the required number for a specific position group....

In a Zoom call with reporters, Lake said the team's entire offensive line, including walk-ons, is currently unavailable and the team has not practiced since Wednesday. The Huskies are expected to be able to play in a bowl game, Lake said....
Too bad, I like the Ducks but all else equal I prefer the Huskies. Anyhow, GO DUCKS!
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Wonder which Husky (ies) was out carousing over the Thanksgiving holiday.

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Sat Dec 12, 2020 8:55 pm
I thought they said Ohio State was out because of only playing 5 games.

Coastal Carolina? I had to look them up: "...a public university in Conway, South Carolina. Founded in 1954, it became an independent university in 1993." Must be recruiting Clemson's culls.
The system is rigged.

College Football Playoff Rankings

5-0 Ohio State is still #4.
4 teams with 2 losses are ahead of undefeated Cincinnati, undefeated Coastal Carolina or both.
1 loss teams in Power 5 conferences are scattered throughout the ranking below 1 loss Clemson.

8-3 North Carolina bounced up to #15.
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In lieu of the imaginary "playoffs", they should just refer to it as "post-season exhibition" games.

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In lieu of the imaginary "playoffs", they should just refer to it as "post-season exhibition" games.
AAC commissioner says 'deck is stacked' against Group of 5 college football teams

Alabama and Notre Dame have earned their rankings, but the deck seems stacked against non-Ohio State or Clemson teams, too.
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O Really wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 4:28 pm
Happy day for Billy.P - Gus be gone...

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nfl/au ... r-BB1bTCgj
His buyout cost Auburn $21.7 million! I wonder how many academic scholarships that would fund.

Replacements being dis-Gus-sed:
Hugh Freeze - head football coach at Liberty University.
Lane Kiffin - head football coach at Ole Miss and former 'Bama offensive coordinator.
Steve Sarkisian - currently the 'Bama offensive coordinator, former BYU QB.
Billy Napier - Louisiana head coach, former Nick Saban assistant.
Mario Cristobal - Oregon head coach, former Nick Saban assistant.
Tony Elliott - Clemson offensive coordinator and former Clemson player.
Yuck.

Others:
Bill Clark, UAB head coach
Matt Campbell, Iowa State head coach
Oregon Ducks replace Washington Huskies in Pac-12 title game (vs USC) in college football

... It was determined the Huskies would be unable to field the 53 scholarship players needed to play because of positive cases for COVID-19 and the related contact-tracing protocols, the conference said. The Huskies were also below the required number for a specific position group....

In a Zoom call with reporters, Lake said the team's entire offensive line, including walk-ons, is currently unavailable and the team has not practiced since Wednesday. The Huskies are expected to be able to play in a bowl game, Lake said....
Too bad, I like the Ducks but all else equal I prefer the Huskies. Anyhow, GO DUCKS!
The money doesn't come from scholarship or anything else for that matter. It's Booster money, or most of it is, and these days 21 million is pocket change to our rich class.

But then comes the idiocy. It looks like we plan to simply promote Kevin Steele from DC - I guess because he's done such a lousy job there, or maybe it was his stellar previous HC stint at Baylor where he went 9 and 36.

I expected a few hard years looking for a HC, but damn, Gus had help being bad and much of the bad came from Steele.

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The money doesn't come from scholarship or anything else for that matter. It's Booster money, or most of it is, and these days 21 million is pocket change to our rich class....
No school money goes to HC salaries? If so, it still represents money that could have gone to other uses, and it's partially subsidized by taxpayers when claimed as a charitable donation.
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Friday, December 18th


WA (probably) or OR > @(undefeated) USC in the Pac-12 Championship
@(undefeated) Buffalo > Ball State in the MAC Championship
@Rutgers > Nebraska
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Vrede too wrote:
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Friday, December 18th


OR > @(undefeated) USC in the Pac-12 Championship :thumbup: :thumbup:
@(undefeated) Buffalo > Ball State in the MAC Championship :thumbdown:
@Rutgers > Nebraska :thumbdown:
The big one to me worked out.
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GO:

Saturday, December 19th


#14 Northwestern > #4 Ohio State!
@Tennessee > #5 Texas A&M (yeah, right)
#7 Iowa State > #11 Oklahoma in the Big 12 Championship!
Vanderbilt (0-9, 0-9 SEC) > @#9 Georgia (7-2, 7-2 SEC) :D
@#13 Coastal Carolina (11-0!, 8-0 Sun Belt) > #19 Louisiana (9-1, 7-1 Sun Belt) in the Sun Belt Championship. Canceled :(
#2 Notre Dame (10-0, 9-0 ACC) > #3 Clemson (9-1, 8-1 ACC)!
#7 Florida > #1 Alabama in the SEC Championship!

More games and many canceled ones:
https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... /2/week/16
Also GO:

Washington State > @Utah
Illinois > @Penn State
@#9 Cincinnati (8-0, 6-0 American) > 23 Tulsa (6-1, 6-0 American) in the American Athletic Conference Championship. Then, get screwed out of the playoffs.
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Vrede too wrote:
Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:55 am
billy.pilgrim wrote:
Thu Dec 17, 2020 6:08 pm
The money doesn't come from scholarship or anything else for that matter. It's Booster money, or most of it is, and these days 21 million is pocket change to our rich class....
No school money goes to HC salaries? If so, it still represents money that could have gone to other uses, and it's partially subsidized by taxpayers when claimed as a charitable donation.
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GO:

Friday, December 18th


WA (probably) or OR > @(undefeated) USC in the Pac-12 Championship
@(undefeated) Buffalo > Ball State in the MAC Championship
@Rutgers > Nebraska
Yeah, probably so, but what the alternative, or are you just jumping on Auburn for trying to get rid of a mediocre coach?

"The university (Maryland), which has had three head football coaches and two interim coaches in the last 4½ years, spent more on buyouts in the 2019 fiscal year than on the current head coach’s salary ($2.1 million), football team travel ($1.2 million), and football recruiting ($548,699) combined, according to a recent financial report to the NCAA.

The biggest beneficiary, former head coach DJ Durkin, had signed a five-year, $12.5 million contract in December 2015 calling for him to receive 65% of any remaining money if he was dismissed. Durkin was fired in October 2018, four months after offensive lineman Jordan McNair died after suffering heatstroke. According to a spreadsheet from the school, Durkin received $3.2 million during the last fiscal year, was owed $2.1 million after that, and — under his contract — was permitted to continue collecting the money even if he got a job with another school."

https://www-baltimoresun-com.cdn.amppro ... story.html

And more perspective to the story (March 2020)

Here's some real insanity

"Nebraska has spent more money firing coaches than any other school in the past 15 years"

"In 2018 alone, Nebraska paid $11.9 million in severance payments. They were one of five schools to top $10 million in payments that year, including Arizona State, UCLA, Florida and Tennessee."

In total, the study found, schools paid more than $491,000,000 in severance pay since 2005.

Nebraska currently has the highest-paid football coach in school history, Scott Frost, and the highest-paid basketball coach in history, Fred Hoiberg. Frost is 9-15 in two seasons at Nebraska, the fewest amount of wins in two years in more than 50 years.

Hoiberg’s first season was the worst in 60 years with a 7-25 record. His 7-year, $25 million deal placed him as the 11th-highest paid coach in college basketball.


https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salari ... all/coach/

Wonder what Coach K's buyout is (private schools don't tell). John Calipari is over 60 million.

https://starherald-com.cdn.ampproject.o ... 20%251%24s

Jimbo Fisher, Texas A&M
Buyout: $60.6 million

Willie Taggart, Florida State
Buyout: $17.7 million

Kirby Smart, Georgia
Buyout: $24.24 million

Kirk Ferentz, Iowa
Buyout: $21.571 million



https://amp-usatoday-com.cdn.ampproject ... 0951002%2F

Even more insane - a one way 60+ million buyout.

Texas A&M gave a 10-year, $75 million, fully guaranteed contract to a coach who’d just gone 5-6 at Florida State, then let Fisher have an exit buyout of zero dollars on his own end.


https://www-sbnation-com.cdn.ampproject ... 18-ranking


Crazy, but what do you propose? Buyouts keep coaches at their schools. Calipari and Coach K could easily earn a larger per year salary without the buyouts to hold them where they are.

Even with the buyouts, these programs make money for the schools due mostly to tv.


And more

South Carolina will pay Muschamp a reported $13.2 million buyout, according to The State


I really don't see picking on Auburn. We had an awful AD who ran off a good coach for trying to get a modest raise for his DC (Muschamp), hired a loser who won a NC with the fired coach’s team and then opened the cash floodgates to these two on again off again loser coaches.

I guess the federal government could pass a law limiting athletic coach salaries, but I'm not sure how that would stand up in court. Maybe a Constitutional Amendment?

Or we could just pick on Auburn for giving gus a raise and a higher buyout when Arkansas was offering more than he was making.
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I'm appalled by all of them, not just Auburn. It's especially stark when looking at the cost of firing underachievers. Gus just happened to be the current topic. C'mon, this isn't the first time I've posted about HC salaries.
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I'm appalled by all of them, not just Auburn. It's especially stark when looking at the cost of firing underachievers. Gus just happened to be the current topic. C'mon, this isn't the first time I've posted about HC salaries.
I agree, so what can be done?
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They are, for the most part, employees of the state. The states have pay ranges for everybody else, including employees whose jobs actually matter. Limit compensation from outside sources to after-season boni, with no guarantees. If everybody has to do it, the coaches can live with it or try to get a job in the tight NFL market.

Seems to me that if one wanted to make a case for any given coach to be worth tens of millions guarantee, Saban might be one of the few. He's been bigly successful most every year in different programs and has earned his 253–65–1 record. Maybe Saban could turn any mid-tier team into a perennial championship contender. But it looks like most "great" coaches are a product of a combination of their coaching skill plus some very favorable circumstances. Change the circumstances and the coaches skills don't shine quite so bright, eh Jimbo.

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They are, for the most part, employees of the state. The states have pay ranges for everybody else, including employees whose jobs actually matter. Limit compensation from outside sources to after-season boni, with no guarantees. If everybody has to do it, the coaches can live with it or try to get a job in the tight NFL market.

Seems to me that if one wanted to make a case for any given coach to be worth tens of millions guarantee, Saban might be one of the few. He's been bigly successful most every year in different programs and has earned his 253–65–1 record. Maybe Saban could turn any mid-tier team into a perennial championship contender. But it looks like most "great" coaches are a product of a combination of their coaching skill plus some very favorable circumstances. Change the circumstances and the coaches skills don't shine quite so bright, eh Jimbo.
Of all that I know about Jimbo's is the strangest. Not only at 60+ million but who gives a one sided buyout?
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Wildkitties?
Might as well dream while we still can, 7-3.
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Wildkitties?
Might as well dream while we still can, 7-3.
They're winning against the team that couldn't make the playoffs under the rules for making the playoffs.
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They're winning against the team that couldn't make the playoffs under the rules for making the playoffs.
O Really and I discussed this earlier. I'm pretty sure there is no hard PSC rule. However, OH St did get special dispensation to play in today's Big 10 championship.

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I'm appalled by all of them, not just Auburn. It's especially stark when looking at the cost of firing underachievers. Gus just happened to be the current topic. C'mon, this isn't the first time I've posted about HC salaries.
Better to ask why they are so high, determine the reason and go there for the fix.

O Really says to regulate, but wouldn't that lead to coaches being paid under the table by boosters and corporations?

I think and have argued for the past 50 years that it comes from the monopolies we allow to "be" our professional sports. Owned by billionaires, our sports are closed clubs. Open it to free market and a system will emerge to handle the 100 or maybe 200 NFL teams.

With 200 teams, all salaries drop and towns and cities all over the country get to have a sports team.

But our corporations and billionaires do love their socialism. It's just too bad that their greed bleeds down and turns our college athletics into training camps for their greed. Until that changes, colleges will continue paying what the market demands.

Note: it's a repug thing these days. In the 90s during a baseball? strike, the dems wanted to step in and do something about this good ol boy closed industry, but the neut won the day by asserting that tensions were too high during the strike and it would look like favoritism and he promised it would be taken up as soon as the strike was over - of course he was lying.


Why can't the professionals let anyone in who accepts league rules? There are 893 college football teams. 139 qualify and accept ncaa div 1 rules and standards.

There are 32 professional teams. Growing up the closet one to me was 900 miles - hardly sounds like a free market.
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I'm appalled by all of them, not just Auburn. It's especially stark when looking at the cost of firing underachievers. Gus just happened to be the current topic. C'mon, this isn't the first time I've posted about HC salaries.
Better to ask why they are so high, determine the reason and go there for the fix.

O Really says to regulate, but wouldn't that lead to coaches being paid under the table by boosters and corporations? ...
That can be difficult to hide. Look at the NCAA busts for players getting just a few thousand dollars. With active enforcement and severe enough penalties I think that major cheating could be limited.

There's another corporate analogy - the obscene pay for often undeserving CEOs when other parts of the outfit or U have to make do with too little.

To be honest, though, I have so little hope that there will be change that I don't dwell on how we might achieve it. I'll just settle for bitchin', and hoping to someday support a viable fix.
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GoCubsGo wrote:
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Wildkitties?
Fun while it lasted, but there's still lots of time, 10-16.
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