The LEO thread

[O Really]

So CalOSHA released it latest worker fatality report, covering 2020. Here's the top ten most dangerous jobs with number of fatalities:

Drivers/sales workers/truck drivers: 70
Heavy and tractor-trailer truck driver: 56
Construction laborers: 34
Grounds maintenance workers: 29
Agricultural workers: 22
Farmworkers and laborers, crop, nursery, and greenhouse: 17
Protective service workers: 17
Tree trimmers and pruners: 17
Security guards and gambling surveillance officers: 16
Farmers, ranchers, and other agricultural managers: 14

Interestingly, cops did not yet again make the top ten, even though they're the ones that claim they "put their lives on the line every day" and they get the big parades even if they die from covid.

[billy.pilgrim]

So CalOSHA released it latest worker fatality report, covering 2020. Here's the top ten most dangerous jobs with number of fatalities:

Drivers/sales workers/truck drivers: 70
Heavy and tractor-trailer truck driver: 56
Construction laborers: 34
Grounds maintenance workers: 29
Agricultural workers: 22
Farmworkers and laborers, crop, nursery, and greenhouse: 17
Protective service workers: 17
Tree trimmers and pruners: 17
Security guards and gambling surveillance officers: 16
Farmers, ranchers, and other agricultural managers: 14

Interestingly, cops did not yet again make the top ten, even though they're the ones that claim they "put their lives on the line every day" and they get the big parades even if they die from covid.

Yet we pay them 100,000 to 150,000 a year because they have such dangerous jobs

[Ulysses]

So CalOSHA released it latest worker fatality report, covering 2020. Here's the top ten most dangerous jobs with number of fatalities:

Drivers/sales workers/truck drivers: 70
Heavy and tractor-trailer truck driver: 56
Construction laborers: 34
Grounds maintenance workers: 29
Agricultural workers: 22
Farmworkers and laborers, crop, nursery, and greenhouse: 17
Protective service workers: 17
Tree trimmers and pruners: 17
Security guards and gambling surveillance officers: 16
Farmers, ranchers, and other agricultural managers: 14

Interestingly, cops did not yet again make the top ten, even though they're the ones that claim they "put their lives on the line every day" and they get the big parades even if they die from covid.

OK, you didn't provide any numbers for each category.

In California there are about 94,000 law enforcement officers (rounded up).

In California there are about 640,000 people with commercial drivers licenses.

That's a ratio of about 7:1 CDL holders vs. LEO's.

So, if LEO's have a fatality on the job rate of 10, then it's entirely proportional to their numbers.

Disagree?

Mind you, I'm not a fan of most cops. Until I might need one.

How about you?

[O Really]

I just quoted the report from CalOSHA. It didn't report per capita or proportion.
I think most cities do a pisspoor job of hiring, setting cultural and performance expectations, and managing their cops. But I also think that cops turn themselves into heros when their job is no more dangerous than a cab driver or c-store clerk. There are indeed some cop heros, but just getting killed doesn't necessarily make one.

[Ulysses]

I just quoted the report from CalOSHA. It didn't report per capita or proportion.
I think most cities do a pisspoor job of hiring, setting cultural and performance expectations, and managing their cops. But I also think that cops turn themselves into heros when their job is no more dangerous than a cab driver or c-store clerk. There are indeed some cop heros, but just getting killed doesn't necessarily make one.

Fine. You didn't bother to do any more research as to percentages and other meaningful data. Fine.

But you still seem to have a LEO problem, right? To the extent of failing to represent the true stats on cop deaths vs, say, trucker deaths. Why?

[Vrede too]

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Mirror, whiner. YOU haven't bothered "to do any more research as to percentages and other meaningful data," in order to debunk O Really. Plus, moron, O Really did "represent the true stats on cop deaths vs, say, trucker deaths." ESL much? They just aren't adjusted the way you wish yet mysteriously are incapable of providing.

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Awww. , Useless. So much for "Ignored". You fail again. Plus, Useless, you've been busted too many times for anyone to believe you're not reading my posts, anyhow. It's just your excuse for cowering. Awww.

[billy.pilgrim]

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Mirror, whiner. YOU haven't bothered "to do any more research as to percentages and other meaningful data," in order to debunk O Really. Plus, moron, O Really did "represent the true stats on cop deaths vs, say, trucker deaths." ESL much? They just aren't adjusted the way you wish yet mysteriously are incapable of providing.

(signature: obsessed butthurt )

Awww. , Useless. So much for "Ignored". You fail again. Plus, Useless, you've been busted too many times for anyone to believe you're not reading my posts, anyhow. It's just your excuse for cowering. Awww.

After arguing with CalOSHA, useless was involved in a blistering debate with a Stop sign.

[O Really]

CalOHSA's report said what it said. Sure, anybody can play with statistics long enough to produce any kind of outcome, but CalOSHA was reporting actual number. If one was interested in rates instead of numbers, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reports rates.

[O Really]

I don't usually get much into discussing "good cops vs. bad cops" - sure there are some really bad assholes who are cops, but most cops aren't inherently bad, nor do they do bad things most of the time. But what does affect almost all cops is the increased militarization of the work, and the tolerance for the attitude that anything short of immediate submissive compliance is grounds for physical abuse or lethal action. Things like "no knock" warrants aren't the fault of the cops, but if they're allowed, the cops will use them - to the danger and detriment of residents. The current rules under which most cops work allows them to shoot at a guy running away - even if the guy hadn't necessarily committed a crime. That rule isn't the cops' fault, either, but if they can do it, most will do it. If cops want to regain respect, their city management needs to create a culture that will respect the citizenry. Cop cars used to have "To Protect and Serve" on the fender. That seems largely no longer applicable and may be in part because that slogan was never actually a part of the police officers' oath or description of primary purpose and responsibility.

[Ulysses]

Oh, please excuse me.

I thought you were trying to compare rates of death of cops vs. other professions.

Apparently you weren't, which explains why you left out key information needed to actually compare such rates.

[Vrede too]

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Awww. , Useless. So much for "Ignored". You fail again. Plus, Useless, you've been busted too many times for anyone to believe you're not reading my posts, anyhow. It's just your excuse for cowering. Awww.

[GoCubsGo]

Oh, please excuse me.

How nice of you to apologize!

[neoplacebo]

Oh, please excuse me.

I thought you were trying to compare rates of death of cops vs. other professions.

Apparently you weren't, which explains why you left out key information needed to actually compare such rates.

You've never had any key information. If you did, it got away from you.

[Ulysses]

Oh, please excuse me.

I thought you were trying to compare rates of death of cops vs. other professions.

Apparently you weren't, which explains why you left out key information needed to actually compare such rates.

You've never had any key information. If you did, it got away from you.

Well, I generally know which key fits which door.

Or is that too complicated?

[O Really]

Oh, please excuse me.

I thought you were trying to compare rates of death of cops vs. other professions.

Apparently you weren't, which explains why you left out key information needed to actually compare such rates.

No, that was you. CalOSHA, who wrote the report summary, was not comparing rates.

[Ulysses]

Oh, please excuse me.

I thought you were trying to compare rates of death of cops vs. other professions.

Apparently you weren't, which explains why you left out key information needed to actually compare such rates.

No, that was you. CalOSHA, who wrote the report summary, was not comparing rates.

And that's the problem. You inferred a relationship between LEO deaths and other professions, did you not? How did you manage to arrive at that ratio without percentages, fractions, or other numerologic data? I submit it's highly misleading to say LEO's are in a much safer profession than, say, construction workers, without the full numeric analysis such a conclusion requires.

[neoplacebo]

Fuck a duck. I can't believe it. The list of deaths by profession was quoted (not created) by O Really. He didn't come up with this stuff. Why do you think he did? Are you drunk? If there were a category for you I suspect it would be at the top of the list and that you, in fact, are the lone survivor of that group. You should be nervous, not slinging gibberish. bull sick

[Vrede too]

So CalOSHA released it latest worker fatality report, covering 2020. Here's the top ten most dangerous jobs with number of fatalities:

Drivers/sales workers/truck drivers: 70
Heavy and tractor-trailer truck driver: 56
Construction laborers: 34
Grounds maintenance workers: 29
Agricultural workers: 22
Farmworkers and laborers, crop, nursery, and greenhouse: 17
Protective service workers: 17
Tree trimmers and pruners: 17
Security guards and gambling surveillance officers: 16
Farmers, ranchers, and other agricultural managers: 14

Interestingly, cops did not yet again make the top ten, even though they're the ones that claim they "put their lives on the line every day" and they get the big parades even if they die from covid.

And that's the problem. You inferred a relationship between LEO deaths and other professions, did you not? How did you manage to arrive at that ratio without percentages, fractions, or other numerologic data? I submit it's highly misleading to say LEO's are in a much safer profession than, say, construction workers, without the full numeric analysis such a conclusion requires.

"numerologic"? You New Age Californians are a hoot!
https://numerologic.org/

Now you're just making shit up when you're floundering. O Really merely accurately shared media coverage of the CalOSHA report, as you would have rapidly seen here if your google wasn't broken.

What Are California's Most Deadly Occupations?
The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics compiled detailed statistics on how California workers died on the job in 2020.

This is why I challenged you to debunk O Really. You cowered, as usual. Any further inferences are exclusively your comprehension-challenged delusions.

However, O Really did make one error, one that you were neither smart nor informed enough to catch despite your laughable pretensions to expertise on the topic. #6 tie "Protective service workers: 17 (deaths)" includes cops and a bunch of other jobs like prison guards, firefighters, security guards, school bus monitors; crossing guards and flagger, dogcatchers, etc.
https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes330000.htm

[GoCubsGo]

So CalOSHA released it latest worker fatality report, covering 2020. Here's the top ten most dangerous jobs with number of fatalities:

Drivers/sales workers/truck drivers: 70
Heavy and tractor-trailer truck driver: 56
Construction laborers: 34
Grounds maintenance workers: 29
Agricultural workers: 22
Farmworkers and laborers, crop, nursery, and greenhouse: 17
Protective service workers: 17
Tree trimmers and pruners: 17
Security guards and gambling surveillance officers: 16
Farmers, ranchers, and other agricultural managers: 14

Interestingly, cops did not yet again make the top ten, even though they're the ones that claim they "put their lives on the line every day" and they get the big parades even if they die from covid.

And that's the problem. You inferred a relationship between LEO deaths and other professions, did you not? How did you manage to arrive at that ratio without percentages, fractions, or other numerologic data? I submit it's highly misleading to say LEO's are in a much safer profession than, say, construction workers, without the full numeric analysis such a conclusion requires.

"numerologic"? You New Age Californians are a hoot!

Now you're just making shit up when you're floundering. O Really merely accurately shared media coverage of the CalOSHA report, as you would have rapidly seen here if your google wasn't broken. This is why I challenged you to debunk O Really. You cowered, as usual.

What Are California's Most Deadly Occupations?
The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics compiled detailed statistics on how California workers died on the job in 2020.

Any further inferences are exclusively your comprehension-challenged delusions.

However, O Really did make one error, one that you were neither smart nor informed enough to catch despite your laughable pretensions to expertise on the topic. #6 tie "Protective service workers: 17 (deaths)" includes cops and a bunch of other jobs like prison guards, firefighters, security guards, school bus monitors; crossing guards and flagger, dogcatchers, etc.
https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes330000.htm

Of course this whole conversation is silly, as the article clearly states:

Below are the 10 most dangerous jobs in California, ranked by number of recorded fatalities in 2020:

That's the metric the author chose based off the CalOSHA numbers. If anyone wants to choose a different metric then they should write their own fucking article.

[O Really]

Opps, I stand somewhat corrected. I did not see that they were included with "Protective Service Workers" but still, if you could take them out of the long list below and have them counted alone, they wouldn't make the top ten, which is what I originally said.

Protective Service Occupations comprises the following occupations: First-Line Supervisors of Correctional Officers; First-Line Supervisors of Police and Detectives; First-Line Supervisors of Firefighting and Prevention Workers; First-Line Supervisors of Protective Service Workers, All Other; First-Line Supervisors of Security Workers; Firefighters; Forest Fire Inspectors and Prevention Specialists; Fire Inspectors and Investigators; Bailiffs; Correctional Officers and Jailers; Detectives and Criminal Investigators; Fish and Game Wardens; Parking Enforcement Workers; Transit and Railroad Police; Police and Sheriff's Patrol Officers; Animal Control Workers; Private Detectives and Investigators; Gambling Surveillance Officers and Gambling Investigators; Security Guards; Protective Service Workers, All Other; Transportation Security Screeners; School Bus Monitors; Crossing Guards and Flaggers; Lifeguards, Ski Patrol, and Other Recreational Protective Service Workers