Nah, these guys were not "minor" by any definition.....they're all 4 star flag officers. The highest you can rise. They're just nutjobs and old men for the most part who've gone insane to varying degrees in their retirement. Hell, a lot of them were probably nut jobs when they were young.Vrede too wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:08 am'Disturbing and reckless': (Some long) Retired (mostly minor) brass spread election lie in attack on Biden, Democrats
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There have been a lot of crazy generals in US history. In fact, some of the craziest seem to have risen the highest.
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:confusion-scratchheadblue:neoplacebo wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 3:39 pmNah, these guys were not "minor" by any definition.....they're all 4 star flag officers. The highest you can rise. They're just nutjobs and old men for the most part who've gone insane to varying degrees in their retirement. Hell, a lot of them were probably nut jobs when they were young.Vrede too wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:08 am'Disturbing and reckless': (Some long) Retired (mostly minor) brass spread election lie in attack on Biden, Democrats
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Some of their critics, like Mullen, are four-stars.... "The only positive sign," added (Jim, an expert in civil-military relations) Golby, "is that most of the retired officers who signed this letter have been out of the military for almost two decades, and that no recent retirees joined this shameful effort to use their rank and the military's reputation for such a gross and blatant partisan attack."
(Adm. Mike, a former chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff) Mullen also pointed out that no retired four-stars signed it and only a handful of three-stars. "It's not very senior," he said. "In our world it's not very significant in terms of people." ...
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GOP lawmaker (Rep. Andrew Clyde, GA) claims 'there was no insurrection' and Capitol riot looked like a 'normal tourist visit'
North GA, adjacent to Marjorie Taylor Greene's district, of course.

North GA, adjacent to Marjorie Taylor Greene's district, of course.
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Opps! I was mistaken.....I took for granted that the name of their outfit indicated their former ranks.....but the only ones mentioned by name in the story are one and three star officers.Vrede too wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 4:00 pm:confusion-scratchheadblue:neoplacebo wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 3:39 pmNah, these guys were not "minor" by any definition.....they're all 4 star flag officers. The highest you can rise. They're just nutjobs and old men for the most part who've gone insane to varying degrees in their retirement. Hell, a lot of them were probably nut jobs when they were young.Vrede too wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:08 am'Disturbing and reckless': (Some long) Retired (mostly minor) brass spread election lie in attack on Biden, Democrats
Some of their critics, like Mullen, are four-stars.... "The only positive sign," added (Jim, an expert in civil-military relations) Golby, "is that most of the retired officers who signed this letter have been out of the military for almost two decades, and that no recent retirees joined this shameful effort to use their rank and the military's reputation for such a gross and blatant partisan attack."
(Adm. Mike, a former chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff) Mullen also pointed out that no retired four-stars signed it and only a handful of three-stars. "It's not very senior," he said. "In our world it's not very significant in terms of people." ...
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neoplacebo wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 7:48 amOpps! I was mistaken.....I took for granted that the name of their outfit indicated their former ranks.....but the only ones mentioned by name in the story are one and three star officers.

Marine major charged with assaulting officers during Jan. 6 siege of US Capitol
... Warnagiris was identified by multiple individuals who have worked with him via security footage and other imagery taken inside the Capitol during the siege, according to the federal charging documents. He was first identified by a former coworker who saw photos of unidentified suspects in the siege on the FBI’s website and reported March 16 that Warnagiris was likely the man seen in the photographs.

Throw away the key.Federal prosecutors charged him Thursday with assaulting, resisting or impeding certain officers, obstruction of law enforcement during civil disorder, obstruction of justice, unlawfully entering a restricted building, and violent entry and disorderly conduct on U.S. Capitol grounds....
19 years. Opps, buh-bye pension.Warnagiris commissioned into the Marines in 2002 and has served multiple combat deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan, his records show.
... Maj. J. A. Hernandez, a Marine spokesman at the Pentagon, wrote in an email that the Corps does not tolerate extremism within its ranks. Marine officials this week told lawmakers that they had expelled at least 16 Marines in recent years from the Corps for extremist actions.
“The Marine Corps is clear on this: There is no place for racial hatred or extremism in the Marine Corps,” he wrote. “Our strength is derived from the individual excellence of every Marine regardless of background. Bigotry and racial extremism run contrary to our core values.”
Clean house!Warnagiris’ arrest comes as the Pentagon wrestles with how to keep individuals with extremist views or ties out of their ranks. The services recently completed a military-wide stand-down ordered in January by Austin to discuss extremism.
... Warnagiris is at least the fifth service member charged in connection with the Jan. 6 siege of the Capitol. He is the first known active-duty service member charged with participating in the riot. Two Army reservists, a member of the Virginia Army National Guard, and a member of the Wisconsin Army National Guard were previously charged, according to the Justice Department. Dozens of military veterans also have been charged in the riot....
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... Maj. J. A. Hernandez, a Marine spokesman at the Pentagon, wrote in an email that the Corps does not tolerate extremism within its ranks. Marine officials this week told lawmakers that they had expelled at least 16 Marines in recent years from the Corps for extremist actions.
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They can't change hearts, but they can change what's officially tolerated. It won't stop bad behavior, but it will limit bad behavior conspiracies. Regardless, they have to try.O Really wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 7:22 pmVrede too wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 7:03 pmClean house!... Maj. J. A. Hernandez, a Marine spokesman at the Pentagon, wrote in an email that the Corps does not tolerate extremism within its ranks. Marine officials this week told lawmakers that they had expelled at least 16 Marines in recent years from the Corps for extremist actions.![]()
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Oh, I appreciate that they try. There is a theory that while most everybody believes if you change attitude you can change behaviour, that it also works that if you change behaviour you can change attitude. Marines' problem is that they have 200 years of tradition of believing themselves to be the baddest dudes in the valley and the ones to call on if you want to impose the will of the US on to someone else and, related, your own will on to others. Their entire perspective of life isn't built for tolerance of any sort.
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O Really wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 7:54 pmOh, I appreciate that they try. There is a theory that while most everybody believes if you change attitude you can change behaviour, that it also works that if you change behaviour you can change attitude. Marines' problem is that they have 200 years of tradition of believing themselves to be the baddest dudes in the valley and the ones to call on if you want to impose the will of the US on to someone else and, related, your own will on to others. Their entire perspective of life isn't built for tolerance of any sort.

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I'm thinking we should start calling the rioters "Radicalized Trump Terrorists".
It works for Jihadists and they're really the same thing.
Let's make it viral!
It works for Jihadists and they're really the same thing.
Let's make it viral!
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Not "undisciplined Trump tourists"?
A Republican congressman who denied there was an insurrection and likened Capitol rioters to tourists was photographed barricading the chamber doors against them
... "You know, if you didn't know the TV footage was a video from January the 6th, you would actually think it was a normal tourist visit," he said.
He also falsely claimed that police officers had not confiscated any firearms from people who breached the Capitol.

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That guy behind him and his dog are wishing they never met this asshat and are grateful to have not been shot. Meanwhile, no blood in sight. This could be a case of animal husbandry in the biblical sense. I'm suspicious....there's no snow on the higher ground behind these guys and even with the sun there should be some.....hold my beer.
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'QAnon Shaman' lawyer issues shockingly offensive defense of client's role in Capitol riot
"they're all fucking short-bus people. These are people with brain damage, they're fucking retarded, they're on the goddamn spectrum.... Fuck, they were subjected to four-plus years of goddamn propaganda the likes of which the world has not seen since fucking Hitler."
Hard to argue with that. Still, lock them up!
"they're all fucking short-bus people. These are people with brain damage, they're fucking retarded, they're on the goddamn spectrum.... Fuck, they were subjected to four-plus years of goddamn propaganda the likes of which the world has not seen since fucking Hitler."
Hard to argue with that. Still, lock them up!
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neoplacebo wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 7:54 pmI consulted (at a high rate) on the defense in this matter. Looks like they took my advice.

Gee, you look mighty scared of those tourists, Rep. Clyde.
Yes but the tourists were zombies
I hope the masked dude’s phaser is on stun.
He's probably yelling "someone get me a Sharpie so I can sign some autographs."
How often are guns pointed at "ordinary tourists"?It’s an upgraded tour package.
Rep. Clyde is yelling, “Don’t shoot. They are just tourists.”
He would completely lose it in Disney World.
Sounds like he's overdue for a visit to his ophthalmologist.Only to correct his hindsight

Giuliani admits telling Capitol rioters to engage in ‘trial by combat’ but insists it was ‘hyperbole’
Translation: Giuliani admits that Trumpettes are stupid. Hard to argue with that.
... The attorneys made the argument in response to Congressman Eric Swalwell's lawsuit aimed at holding Mr Giuliani, Mr Trump, and other high profile Republicans accountable for inciting the insurrection on 6 January....
Mr Swalwell's lawsuit cites a civil rights law that was intended to be used to stop the Ku Klux Klan from intimidating elected officials.
The lawsuit also claims that Mr Trump, his son Donald Trump Jr, Mr Giuliani and Congressman Mo Brooks broke anti-terrorism laws as well as the laws of Washington DC by inciting the riot and aiding and abetting the rioters. It also claims they caused emotional distress to members of Congress.
Mr Swalwell's lawsuit is far from Mr Giuliani's only legal woe; he is facing ramifications from multiple divorces, a $1.3bn defamation lawsuit from Dominion Voting Systems, a lawsuit from Congressman Bennie Thompson alleging he conspired with the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers, and a federal investigation into whether or not he pressured Ukrainian government officials into spying on the Biden family in exchange for US military aid.





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I like the "short bus people" label. Mostly because the members of the club don't even know what it means. I expect them to keep up the good work.