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As COVID-19 Deaths Near 80,000, Trump Touts His Private Golf Business
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No tests are available for us. No tracing is being implemented. You have done nothing to make it safe for us to go out. The virus has killed 80,125 people so far, 2000 more will be dead by tomorrow. But by all means promote your golf course
Really, Donald?! Damn you’re cold.

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The presidency really is just your side job isn't it?

You are not supposed to use the official govt.Twitter account to shill for your properties.

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LBJ meant well. Trump, not so much.
I was among those sometimes standing outside LBJ's White House yelling "Hey hey LBJ - how many kids did you kill today" but I'd agree that if he hadn't conducted the totally unnecessary war like he did, he probably would have had an FDR-like legacy by the end of his next term. It wasn't real "war" but if Carter hadn't handled the Iran hostages the way he did, he probably would have (barely)gotten another term, too, and if he got the same economic improvement that occurred during Reagan's first term, he probably would be revered, too.

In many campaigns, there have been "unforgivable" circumstances or errors - most of them not necessarily that big in the overall scheme of things. I don't think covid and the related collapse is survivable - even for a very popular real President.

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I was too young to be out protesting LBJ, but I do remember joining in the ridicule of his accent and speech patterns ("Mah fella Amuricans")... It wasn't until later that I appreciated how much he had helped me personally: I was only able to attend college, financially, with the help of his grants, low interest loans, and work-study programs. It didn't take but a year or two for most of us to realize how much worse Nixon was with regard to Vietnam, and what a raw deal LBJ had received from public opinion. I don't expect that Biden will be the disaster that Nixon turned out to be, but it is a warning along the lines of not replacing bad with worse.
How was Nixon's Vietnam policy worse than LBJ's? I see it more as a continuum from Truman's reneging on FDR's independence pledge until Uncle Ho's grandnieces and grandnephews won in 1975.
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How was Nixon's Vietnam policy worse than LBJ's? I see it more as a continuum from Truman's reneging on FDR's independence pledge until Uncle Ho's grandnieces and grandnephews won in 1975.
Hard to say what LBJ might have done had he stayed in office, but in Nixon's case, he ran on a promise to get us out of Vietnam, but for 3+ years he escalated and cost more lives and money than during LBJ's wasted effort, then "getting us out" just in time for the next election. Lying Scumbag.

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Hard to say what LBJ might have done had he stayed in office, but in Nixon's case, he ran on a promise to get us out of Vietnam, but for 3+ years he escalated and cost more lives and money than during LBJ's wasted effort, then "getting us out" just in time for the next election. Lying Scumbag.
I get about 36K US deaths for LBJ, increasing every year, about 21K for Nixon, decreasing every year.
http://www.angelfire.com/tx/wdf/deaths.html
LBJ is even worse and Nixon even better if you credit LBJ with Jan 1969 and some of early 1969 that was unavoidable no matter who was POTUS.

Idk about money. I will grant that Nixon escalated into Cambodia, but otherwise . . .
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Dunno about the number killed - I could have been mistaken, but here's NYT article setting forth my point of view on who's worse:
Richard M. Nixon told an aide that they should find a way to secretly “monkey wrench” peace talks in Vietnam in the waning days of the 1968 campaign for fear that progress toward ending the war would hurt his chances for the presidency, according to newly discovered notes.

In a telephone conversation with H. R. Haldeman, who would go on to become White House chief of staff, Nixon gave instructions that a friendly intermediary should keep “working on” South Vietnamese leaders to persuade them not to agree to a deal before the election, according to the notes, taken by Mr. Haldeman.

The Nixon campaign’s clandestine effort to thwart President Lyndon B. Johnson’s peace initiative that fall has long been a source of controversy and scholarship. Ample evidence has emerged documenting the involvement of Nixon’s campaign. But Mr. Haldeman’s notes appear to confirm longstanding suspicions that Nixon himself was directly involved, despite his later denials.

“There’s really no doubt this was a step beyond the normal political jockeying, to interfere in an active peace negotiation given the stakes with all the lives,” said John A. Farrell, who discovered the notes at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library for his forthcoming biography, “Richard Nixon: The Life,” to be published in March by Doubleday. “Potentially, this is worse than anything he did in Watergate.”
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Dunno about the number killed - I could have been mistaken, but here's NYT article setting forth my point of view on who's worse:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/02/us/p ... -show.html
Granted, that merits a "Lying Scumbag," and I would never argue that Nixon had a better Vietnam policy than LBJ's. However, does Johnson’s supposed peace initiative that may or may not have amounted to anything atone for his massive escalation and all of the lives and money lost over his 5 years as POTUS? What hero whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg revealed to us is that they all knew as far back at least as JFK that Vietnam was unwinnable.
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Dunno about the number killed - I could have been mistaken, but here's NYT article setting forth my point of view on who's worse:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/02/us/p ... -show.html
Granted, that merits a "Lying Scumbag," and I would never argue that Nixon had a better Vietnam policy than LBJ's. However, does Johnson’s supposed peace initiative that may or may not have amounted to anything atone for his massive escalation and all of the lives and money lost over his 5 years as POTUS? What hero whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg revealed to us is that they all knew as far back at least as JFK that Vietnam was unwinnable.
Arguing over whether LBJ or Nixon was the worst regarding their conduct of Vietnam war is like arguing which of two serial killers is more evil. But I still hold Nixon in greater contempt. Your mileage may vary.

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Mon May 11, 2020 10:01 pm
Dunno about the number killed - I could have been mistaken, but here's NYT article setting forth my point of view on who's worse:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/02/us/p ... -show.html
Granted, that merits a "Lying Scumbag," and I would never argue that Nixon had a better Vietnam policy than LBJ's. However, does Johnson’s supposed peace initiative that may or may not have amounted to anything atone for his massive escalation and all of the lives and money lost over his 5 years as POTUS? What hero whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg revealed to us is that they all knew as far back at least as JFK that Vietnam was unwinnable.
Granted that we should never have been in the war and Truman is to blame for not supporting an ally.
But then there's Ike who is almost entirely responsible for starting the war we know by violating a treaty and the scheduled election.

It may be far fetched to believe that LBJ thought he had to do something decisive after Tonkin or have appeasement and cowardice follow into the election, but maybe it played some part of his decision. After that, he tried to win a war, escalation was only natural.

And had almost brought it to a conclusion when he briefed all 3 candidates on the coming peace.

Nixon was the only private citizen among the 3 who committed treason by sabotaging the peace with his Only I Can Win the War campaign.
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In all this, I feel that the US military in the form of primarily General Westmoreland as well as the Joint Chiefs should get at least an honorable mention in the Vietnam fiasco; they are the ones who kept lying about what was actually happening. Those boys would have fit right in with the trump clown show.

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In all this, I feel that the US military in the form of primarily General Westmoreland as well as the Joint Chiefs should get at least an honorable mention in the Vietnam fiasco; they are the ones who kept lying about what was actually happening. Those boys would have fit right in with the trump clown show.
Yeah, there's a lot of guilt to pass around. Don't forget the diredtion to Kill Anything that Moves and other atrocities came from officers and was covered up by other officers like Colin Powell.
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:lol: . . . but her lies are more articulate and convincing.
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:lol: . . . but her lies are more articulate and convincing.
And she hasn't accused anyone of murder this week.
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Trump said the truck horns that punctuated his vaccine event Friday were honking in support; they were not

President Donald Trump says the sound of truck horns just south of the White House was a “sign of love” for him from truckers. The truckers were actually honking in opposition to low shipping rates.

“They’re protesting in favor of President Trump,” the president claimed in the Rose Garden on Friday during an announcement about vaccine development. The blaring of truck horns wafted across the Ellipse and into the sun-splashed garden during that event and a ceremony Trump held in the afternoon to recognize good deeds during the coronavirus pandemic.

“Those are truckers that are with us all the way,” he said at the earlier event.

But the drivers who have lined Constitution Avenue with their big rigs didn’t come to Washington for Trump. They’re in the nation’s capital to protest low shipping rates that they say could force many of them out of business.

An initial flurry of freight shipments stemming from the coronavirus pandemic has subsided. As a result, many truckers have found themselves without freight to haul or with offers to deliver goods at rates they say are unsustainable.

White House chief of staff Mark Meadows visited the truckers on Thursday.
Even then, PINO lied about them on Friday. Marky, you're doing a heckuva job.

It's not just the lies, it's how stupid and insecure they are and how easily they are exposed.
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Secret Service Signs $179,000 Contract For Golf Carts At Trump Course This Summer
New figures for Bedminster highlight the taxpayers’ growing tab for the president’s frequent outings to his own clubs.


... News of the expenditure follows revelations in the Post that the U.S. government has paid nearly $1 million to Trump businesses for room rental since he became president, largely for the Secret Service. Taxpayers have now paid for the equivalent of more than four years’ worth of nightly rentals at Trump properties, according to the Post, in what the newspaper termed an “unprecedented” business relationship between a president and the government he runs.

Trump, unlike other presidents, refused to divest from his businesses when he became commander in chief. That has raised ethical issues as Trump weighs what’s good for his wallet against what’s good for the public. Last week, as the U.S. death toll from COVID-19 neared 80,000, Trump touted a tweet from his golf course in Los Angeles, which urged people to reserve their tee times even amid the pandemic.

The Bedminster golf cart rental fees aren’t going into Trump’s pockets. The carts are being rented from a private vendor, Associates Golf Car Service, which is based in New York, according to the expense documents. The same vendor has supplied golf carts to the Secret Service at Bedminster each year Trump has been in office, the Post noted.

But the Secret Service typically rents space directly from Trump’s company, paying $17,000 per month for a four-room cottage at the Bedminster club, near a detached cottage where Trump stays....

Trump’s frequents golf trips were suspended in early March due to COVID-19 restrictions. But as of mid-February, Trump had played golf 248 times at his resorts at a cost to taxpayers of $133.8 million, according to an analysis by HuffPost....
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That's minor in the overall scheme of thing regarding Trump corruption, but it is absolutely unacceptable that such dealings no longer shock or anger people so much. That would get lots of corporate execs fired, except that most of them wouldn't do it because they'd know it wouldn't be tolerated.

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This will drive pospotus nuts. A real leader with intelligence and who is articulate is going to speak to the nation.

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How the Orange Dickhead spends his weekend at Camp David strategerizing....


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