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So yesterday we went hiking at 5,500 ft. Palomar State Park, also home of the Palomar Observatory. https://sites.astro.caltech.edu/palomar/about/

Totally cool trip - beautiful clear day, great views, 65ish even on the mountain. The observatory is open to the public to go in and see the telescope, and it's huge. At about 16ft across, it was the largest in the world when it was first put in use in 1949 after about 10 year in building, but newer ones now are about twice its size. Interesting trivia - the first person to use it was Edwin Hubble, yes that Hubble.

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:thumbup: Cool that the project survived the war. What do the say about aliens, UAPs, Area 51 and MiB?
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Brain drain :angry-banghead: :
Scientists have lost their jobs or grants in US cuts. Foreign universities want to hire them

As the Trump administration cut billions of dollars in federal funding to scientific research, thousands of scientists in the U.S. lost their jobs or grants — and governments and universities around the world spotted an opportunity.

The “Canada Leads” program, launched in April, hopes to foster the next generation of innovators by bringing early-career biomedical researchers north of the border.

Aix-Marseille University in France started the “Safe Place for Science” program in March — pledging to “welcome” U.S.-based scientists who “may feel threatened or hindered in their research.”

Australia’s “Global Talent Attraction Program,” announced in April, promises competitive salaries and relocation packages.

“In response to what is happening in the U.S.,” said Anna-Maria Arabia, head of the Australian Academy of Sciences, “we see an unparalleled opportunity to attract some of the smartest minds here.”

... Australia’s “Global Talent Attraction Program,” announced in April, promises competitive salaries and relocation packages.

“In response to what is happening in the U.S.,” said Anna-Maria Arabia, head of the Australian Academy of Sciences, “we see an unparalleled opportunity to attract some of the smartest minds here.”

... Already, several universities have announced hiring freezes, laid off staff or stopped admitting new graduate students. On Thursday, the Trump administration revoked Harvard University’s ability to enroll international students, though a judge put that on hold.

Research institutions abroad are watching with concern for collaborations that depend on colleagues in the U.S. — but they also see opportunities to potentially poach talent.

“There are threats to science ... south of the border,” said Brad Wouters, of University Health Network, Canada’s leading hospital and medical research center, which launched the “Canada Leads” recruitment drive. “There’s a whole pool of talent, a whole cohort that is being affected by this moment.”

Promising a safe place to do science

Universities worldwide are always trying to recruit from one another, just as tech companies and businesses in other fields do. What's unusual about the current moment is that many global recruiters are targeting researchers by promising something that seems newly threatened: academic freedom.

European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said this month that the European Union intends “to enshrine freedom of scientific research into law.” She spoke at the launch of the bloc's “Choose Europe for Science” — which was in the works before the Trump administration cuts but has sought to capitalize on the moment.

Eric Berton, president of Aix-Marseille University, expressed a similar sentiment after launching the institution’s “Safe Place for Science” program.

“Our American research colleagues are not particularly interested by money," he said of applicants. "What they want above all is to be able to continue their research and that their academic freedom be preserved."

Too early to say 'brain drain'

... But some institutions abroad are reporting significant early interest from researchers in the U.S. Nearly half of the applications to “Safe Place for Science” — 139 out of 300 total — came from U.S.-based scientists, including AI researchers and astrophysicists.

U.S.-based applicants in this year’s recruitment round for France’s Institute of Genetics, Molecular and Cellular Biology roughly doubled over last year.

At the Max Planck Society in Germany, the Lise Meitner Excellence Program — aimed at young female researchers — drew triple the number of applications from U.S.-based scientists this year as last year....

Community ties

... Marianna Zhang was studying how children develop race and gender stereotypes as a postdoctoral fellow at New York University when her National Science Foundation grant was canceled. She said it felt like “America as a country was no longer interested in studying questions like mine.” ...

A global vacuum

... “The U.S. was always an example, in both science and education,” said Patrick Schultz, president of France's Institute of Genetics, Molecular and Cellular Biology. So the cuts and policies were “very frightening also for us because it was an example for the whole world.”
It's like scavengers picking over the science carcass that DOGE has left behind. :(
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Cool set of current-ish articles with pics.
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Oldest cave art ever found discovered in Indonesia
Beating the previous record for the oldest known cave artwork by at least 15,000 years, a hand stencil in an Indonesian cave might shed light on when early humans migrated to Australia


In an Indonesian cave system known for its prehistoric art, the oldest cave art yet found was hiding in plain sight. In a cave full of paintings that were well studied over the years, a faint hand stencil on the ceiling had been overlooked. A new chemical analysis of the stencil reveals that it dates back at least 67,800 years, an astonishing 15,000 years older than the next-oldest cave art found on the same island, Sulawesi. A nearby stencil dated to about 60,900 years ago....
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Well, not to trivialize or oversimplify, but I'm not all that impressed with the NASA effort to go back to or around the moon. It was first done 56 years ago and repeated 5 more times up until 1972. To put it in perspective, look at a few of the differences between then and now. in 1968, no internet, no easy research of info or data, no Hubble telescope, no data bouncing off a bunch of satellites - essentially an entirely different world.

Google "compare IBM 360 with (whatever cell phone you use)" and you find that the little piece of equipment we take for granted is more powerful than the moon shot computers by thousands of times.

So with prior historical experience to review including years with things like the space shuttle and station, unlimited technical data available, better materials, better means of construction, better electronics...yada, what's so effin' hard?

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Well, not to trivialize or oversimplify, but I'm not all that impressed with the NASA effort to go back to or around the moon. It was first done 56 years ago and repeated 5 more times up until 1972. To put it in perspective, look at a few of the differences between then and now. in 1968, no internet, no easy research of info or data, no Hubble telescope, no data bouncing off a bunch of satellites - essentially an entirely different world.

Google "compare IBM 360 with (whatever cell phone you use)" and you find that the little piece of equipment we take for granted is more powerful than the moon shot computers by thousands of times.

So with prior historical experience to review including years with things like the space shuttle and station, unlimited technical data available, better materials, better means of construction, better electronics...yada, what's so effin' hard?
FWIW

The United States is going back to the Moon primarily through NASA’s Artemis program, and the goals are much broader than the Apollo-era missions.
Here are the main reasons:
1. Long-Term Human Presence
Unlike the short visits during Apollo program, Artemis aims to establish a sustained presence — including a lunar space station called Lunar Gateway and eventually base camps on the surface.
The idea is to learn how to live and work on another world for extended periods.
2. Preparation for Mars
The Moon is a proving ground. NASA plans to use it to test:
Life-support systems
Radiation protection
Deep-space habitats
In-space refueling
Long-duration crew health
These lessons will help prepare for eventual missions to Mars.
3. Scientific Discovery
The Moon holds valuable scientific information:
Its south pole may contain water ice in permanently shadowed craters.
Lunar geology preserves early solar system history.
It’s a stable platform for astronomy experiments.
Water ice is especially important because it can potentially be turned into:
Drinking water
Oxygen
Rocket fuel (hydrogen + oxygen)
4. Strategic & Geopolitical Competition
Other nations — especially China — have major lunar ambitions. The U.S. wants to:
Maintain leadership in space
Shape international space norms
Strengthen alliances
The U.S. has also promoted international cooperation through the Artemis Accords.
5. Commercial & Economic Development
NASA is partnering with private companies like:
SpaceX
Blue Origin
The goal is to build a cislunar economy — including lunar landers, cargo systems, and possibly mining or infrastructure development.
6. Inspiration & Workforce Development
Apollo inspired a generation of engineers and scientists. Artemis aims to:
Inspire new STEM careers
Land the first woman and first person of color on the Moon
Demonstrate U.S. technological leadership
In Short:
The U.S. isn’t going back just to “plant a flag.”
It’s going back to stay, learn, compete, and prepare for Mars.
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FWIW
Thanks.



5.... The goal is to build a cislunar economy — including lunar landers, cargo systems, and possibly mining or infrastructure development.
:headscratch: As opposed to a translunar economy?
6. Inspiration & Workforce Development
Apollo inspired a generation of engineers and scientists. Artemis aims to:
Inspire new STEM careers
Land the first woman and first person of color on the Moon



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Humans and Neanderthals interbred — but it was mostly male Neanderthals and female humans who coupled up, study finds

Now we know -
Men have always preferred less hairy women.
Women have always liked bad boys.
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Oldest Human Settlement In America Just Discovered In Oregon Pushes Back The Timeline!

For over a century, archaeologists have debated when the first humans arrived in North America. Traditional timelines placed the earliest settlers around 13,000 years ago—linked to the famous Clovis culture. But a stunning discovery in the high-desert plains of Oregon may rewrite everything we thought we knew about the peopling of the Americas.

At a remote rock shelter called Rimrock Draw, researchers have uncovered astonishing evidence of human activity that predates the oldest known settlements on the continent. Buried beneath volcanic ash and deep sediment layers were butchered camel remains, ancient stone tools made from exotic materials, and microscopic traces of bison blood—finds that point to a thriving human presence during the Last Glacial Maximum, nearly 18,000 to 20,000 years ago.

Join us as we uncover the story of the people who walked this land long before history books believed possible.
Predating Clovis by 5K years and the corridor through the ice. People must have arrived by boats along the coast. I think I first read about this theory in the fascinating and pseudoscientific international bestselling The Descent of Woman. Good to see that Elaine Morgan was correct about something.
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Researchers say this new Trump rule could destroy American science as we know it. They’re fighting back

Scientists across multiple disciplines are sounding the alarm after the White House proposed taking greater control over how scientific research gets funded and allowing political appointees to decide whether to approve scientific grants.

... Kate Marvel, a climate scientist who recently left NASA due to political interference in climate-science research there, said peer review has long been an enabler of America's scientific leadership.

"One of the reasons the USA has historically been such a research superpower is that we've had a merit-based science funding system, where research is funded by the federal government based on the assessments of other scientists," she said.

"The system wasn't perfect, but it wasn't stupid," Marvel added. "Putting uninformed political hacks in charge of it is deeply stupid." ...
Science has proven that MAGA detests science.
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