The homophobic thread :>

[O Really]

The subject has veered away from the original argument dealing with the thread title, and I am not one to be discussing religion. I guess I failed English again.®

IMNVHO, although it could be "Religion thread", it is directly related because of the frequency that homophobic people invoke religion as the basis of their antipathy toward civil rights for LGBT people.

[JTA]

I think this is a mix-up of semantics. When I think of "ridicule", I think of an unnecessary (most of the time, not all) level of contemptuous hostility towards someone.

Scenario: A person sits down at a restaurant and bows their head in silent prayer before dinner. Someone the next table over huffs and puffs and proclaims only an idiot would still find it necessary to bow their head in worship of invisible sky fairies in the current year.

That's what I think of when I think of ridiculing someone for their religious beliefs. I think ridiculing and criticizing someone are two different things but still of the same vein, sort of.

I think it's fair game to ridicule ideas though, but I think it is sometimes rude to ridicule people, unless certain bounds are crossed by that person and they actively harm others.

So long as someone doesn't walk all over someone else in their beliefs, they ought to just be let be. So, long story short, context is key. Politicians making policy based on their religious beliefs and shoving it down people's throats? Fair game. Criticize/ridicule all you want. 85 year old Joe Schmo who minds his own business and is always polite about to kick the bucket and religion is his last bastion of peace of mind? Fuck off and let him be. You're just being a dick.

[Seth Milner]

I am rapidly losing interest in this subject line because I'm getting in over my head.

You can't be over your head in discussing your own opinions.
Most of what I have posted aren't necessarily my opinions as opposed to being related to what I've read in the Bible in the last few days.
I have only related to what Christians believe in as opposed to what non-religious people believe.

I'm not looking for theological analysis. I just wonder why beliefs deemed "religious" that appear ridiculous on the face, such as "6,000 year old Earth", are considered protected from the same ridicule heaped upon non-religious beliefs, such as "never was a holocaust."
Of all people I know who profess a religion, or all whose writings I've read, I have never heard or read of anyone state a belief that the Earth is 6,000 years old; I've only seen that remark or accusation made by those who ridicule religion. I equate that "never was a holocaust" with the "man will never fly" or "man never walked on the moon" bullcrap; therefore, I don't believe that can be related to a religious belief.

Maybe Seth Milner can since his prime (only?) goal here is to childishly provoke rather than to engage in adult discussion.
Like I so aptly learned how to do from you? From the beginning of my postings, by reading your replies to me and a couple others, I was under the impression it was supposed to be done that way. Monkey see, monkey do.

That's why he flops so often when we respond with facts, logic and requests for him to explain his positions.
That's funny.

[billy.pilgrim]

I think this is a mix-up of semantics. When I think of "ridicule", I think of an unnecessary (most of the time, not all) level of contemptuous hostility towards someone.

Scenario: A person sits down at a restaurant and bows their head in silent prayer before dinner. Someone the next table over huffs and puffs and proclaims only an idiot would still find it necessary to bow their head in worship of invisible sky fairies in the current year.

That's what I think of when I think of ridiculing someone for their religious beliefs. I think ridiculing and criticizing someone are two different things but still of the same vein, sort of.

I think it's fair game to ridicule ideas though, but I think it is sometimes rude to ridicule people, unless certain bounds are crossed by that person and they actively harm others.

So long as someone doesn't walk all over someone else in their beliefs, they ought to just be let be. So, long story short, context is key. Politicians making policy based on their religious beliefs and shoving it down people's throats? Fair game. Criticize/ridicule all you want. 85 year old Joe Schmo who minds his own business and is always polite about to kick the bucket and religion is his last bastion of peace of mind? Fuck off and let him be. You're just being a dick.

Seems about right

[Vrede too]

Bigotry like Seth Milner's gets ridiculed, he should be used to it by now. If the Bible is cited to justify it, like he has, then he's made the Bible contradictions and his cherry picking fair game.

Also, he's tweaking over banni's use of the word "irrational" when by definition that's what faith is. It would be like me throwing a tantrum over my fear of heights being called irrational. I know it is and accept that it's just one of my quirks. Believers should grow up and do the same.

[Vrede too]

billy.pilgrim, good to see that you have power and I assume a home after the hurricane. We just had a cloudy Friday and sprinkles despite predictions of worse.

[Seth Milner]

IMNVHO, although it could be "Religion thread", it is directly related because of the frequency that homophobic people invoke religion as the basis of their antipathy toward civil rights for LGBT people.

There, you just made my point! People who invoke religion, Bible scripture, or belief in a Creator God that deems homosexuality as a "depraved or abominable" act are labeled bigots, homophobic, or whatever other label that can be dreamed up!

Bigotry like Seth Milner's gets ridiculed, he should be used to it by now.
Where in hell do you and your dancing twin get the notion I'm bigoted?

If the Bible is cited to justify it, like he has, then he's made the Bible contradictions and his cherry picking fair game.
Oh OK, it's all clear now, I get it. Because you don't believe in the Bible, your opinion is the absolute truth that the message contained in it is completely false, and anyone choosing of verse is cherry picking. (Not that yours and rstrong's bitching and whining about OT laws is cherry picking, of course)

Also, he's tweaking over banni's use of the word "irrational" when by definition that's what faith is. It would be like me throwing a tantrum over my fear of heights being called irrational. I know it is and accept that it's just one of my quirks. Believers should grow up and do the same.
If I were you, I'd be sure and tell them that the next time you go to church; that'll get that shit straightened out in a hurry!!
(dumb Christians; how dare they walk around with something called faith!!)

[Seth Milner]

I think this is a mix-up of semantics. When I think of "ridicule", I think of an unnecessary (most of the time, not all) level of contemptuous hostility towards someone.

Scenario: A person sits down at a restaurant and bows their head in silent prayer before dinner. Someone the next table over huffs and puffs and proclaims only an idiot would still find it necessary to bow their head in worship of invisible sky fairies in the current year.

That's what I think of when I think of ridiculing someone for their religious beliefs. I think ridiculing and criticizing someone are two different things but still of the same vein, sort of.

I think it's fair game to ridicule ideas though, but I think it is sometimes rude to ridicule people, unless certain bounds are crossed by that person and they actively harm others.

So long as someone doesn't walk all over someone else in their beliefs, they ought to just be let be. So, long story short, context is key. Politicians making policy based on their religious beliefs and shoving it down people's throats? Fair game. Criticize/ridicule all you want. 85 year old Joe Schmo who minds his own business and is always polite about to kick the bucket and religion is his last bastion of peace of mind? Fuck off and let him be. You're just being a dick.

Seems about right

Ditto

[O Really]

Of all people I know who profess a religion, or all whose writings I've read, I have never heard or read of anyone state a belief that the Earth is 6,000 years old; I've only seen that remark or accusation made by those who ridicule religion. I equate that "never was a holocaust" with the "man will never fly" or "man never walked on the moon" bullcrap; therefore, I don't believe that can be related to a religious belief.

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It's called "young Earth creationism." It's real. A lot of people believe it, whether you or I know any personally or not. Google it. So you're willing to call the "man never walked on the moon" bullcrap, but what if it's anchored in a religious belief gleaned from interpretation of some obscure verse in, say, Leviticus. Still bullcrap?

[Vrede too]

If Seth Milner is even telling the truth - he's participated in chats about the KY ark - it's no surprise that he was too lazy to look up young Earth creationism before blaming "those who ridicule religion" for it.

[O Really]

IMNVHO, although it could be "Religion thread", it is directly related because of the frequency that homophobic people invoke religion as the basis of their antipathy toward civil rights for LGBT people.

There, you just made my point! People who invoke religion, Bible scripture, or belief in a Creator God that deems homosexuality as a "depraved or abominable" act are labeled bigots, homophobic, or whatever other label that can be dreamed up!

Well, that's true, but not entirely accurate. People who consider LGBT people to be inferior or fair game for discrimination and who want to restrict their civil rights are bigots, may be homophobic, and some other labels may be appropriated. This is whether or not they claim a religious basis for their discrimination. But a lot of people claim to oppose bigotry, discrimination, etc. if it's based on simple ignorance or prejudice will support a person's discrimination if it's based on religion.

[O Really]

I think this is a mix-up of semantics. When I think of "ridicule", I think of an unnecessary (most of the time, not all) level of contemptuous hostility towards someone.

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Yes, other terms could be used. As I said, I'm not using "ridicule" in the sense of a personal confrontation of rudeness. "Not take seriously" would work also.

[JTA]

I think this is a mix-up of semantics. When I think of "ridicule", I think of an unnecessary (most of the time, not all) level of contemptuous hostility towards someone.

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Yes, other terms could be used. As I said, I'm not using "ridicule" in the sense of a personal confrontation of rudeness. "Not take seriously" would work also.

Yeah, agreed

[Seth Milner]

If Seth Milner is even telling the truth - he's participated in chats about the KY ark
None other than this meme.

- it's no surprise that he was too lazy to look up young Earth creationism before blaming "those who ridicule religion" for it.
Sorry, that subject is the least of my priorities; besides never hearing of it, since that's a liberal atheist's pet.

[O Really]

If Seth Milner is even telling the truth - he's participated in chats about the KY ark
None other than this meme.

- it's no surprise that he was too lazy to look up young Earth creationism before blaming "those who ridicule religion" for it.
Sorry, that subject is the least of my priorities; besides never hearing of it, since that's a liberal atheist's pet.

According to polls Gallup has run since 1980-something, young-earth creationists are about 10% of the American population or about at 31 million people. That's about twice the number of Muslims, Jews, Hindus, and Buddhists - combined. So my question remains - since their belief is soundly founded on Biblical teachings, do you want to let them teach "young earth" to your kids in public school? Do you want them to pass laws restricting what public-owned museums can display? Or would you like to join others such as myself in saying "believe what you want, but 6,000 year old Earth is ridiculous and don't try imposing that on the rest of us."

[Vrede too]

If Seth Milner is even telling the truth - he's participated in chats about the KY ark

None other than this meme.

Nope, this one in July where the discussion was about humans and dinosaurs coexisting.

- it's no surprise that he was too lazy to look up young Earth creationism before blaming "those who ridicule religion" for it.

Sorry, that subject is the least of my priorities;

As usual with truth and accuracy.

besides never hearing of it,

Other than in July and all the other times you certainly have?

since that's a liberal atheist's pet.

It's adorable how you childishly stand your ground even after having been busted, crybaby.

[O Really]

So if I follow Seth's comments, he had heard of 6,000 year people, but thought it was an invention of atheists.

[Seth Milner]

If Seth Milner is even telling the truth - he's participated in chats about the KY ark
None other than this meme.

- it's no surprise that he was too lazy to look up young Earth creationism before blaming "those who ridicule religion" for it.
Sorry, that subject is the least of my priorities; besides never hearing of it, since that's a liberal atheist's pet.

According to polls Gallup has run since 1980-something, young-earth creationists are about 10% of the American population or about at 31 million people. That's about twice the number of Muslims, Jews, Hindus, and Buddhists - combined.
I suppose then that I have never had the occasion to meet one. I think it would be fascinating to sit down and converse with someone who is a "young-earth creationist" . . . probably will discover a bit of conspiracy theory thrown in a s well.

So my question remains - since their belief is soundly founded on Biblical teachings, do you want to let them teach "young earth" to your kids in public school?
I've yet to find where the Bible states the Earth is 6,000 years old, nor do I know of any public school system that teaches it is.
As far as my kid hearing it, I would think my child had enough sense to realize that is baloney.

"Young Earth creationism (YEC) is the religious belief that the Universe, Earth and all life on Earth were created by direct acts of God between 5,700 and 10,000 years ago. Its primary adherents are Christians who subscribe to a literal interpretation of the creation narrative in the Bible's Book of Genesis and believe that God created the Earth in six 24-hour days."
OK, so now I know who they are. There's also areas in the U.S. where snake-handlers abound. They take snake handling as a literal interpretation that God would protect them from the snake's venom in case of a bite.

Do you want them to pass laws restricting what public-owned museums can display?
Wouldn't bother me; I don't go to museums. or concerts. or country clubs.

Or would you like to join others such as myself in saying "believe what you want, but 6,000 year old Earth is ridiculous and don't try imposing that on the rest of us."
No. But I have to ask. If you don't want that imposed on you, why should believers have acceptance of "ridiculous" homosexuality imposed on them?

[Seth Milner]

If Seth Milner is even telling the truth - he's participated in chats about the KY ark
None other than this meme.

Nope, this one in July where the discussion was about humans and dinosaurs coexisting.
That's a post about the Ark? That's a Ford van, that ain't no damn ark, stupid!

it's no surprise that he was too lazy to look up young Earth creationism before blaming "those who ridicule religion" for it.
Sorry, that subject is the least of my priorities;
As usual with truth and accuracy.
Sorta kinda like your saying "what I would do is irrelevant"?

besides never hearing of it,
Other than in July and all the other times you certainly have?
Nope, never heard of Young-Earth creationism

since that's a liberal atheist's pet.
It's adorable® how you childishly stand your ground even after having been busted, crybaby.
I've not been busted, but I do stand my ground, Twin-Man

[O Really]

So my question remains - since their belief is soundly founded on Biblical teachings, do you want to let them teach "young earth" to your kids in public school?
I've yet to find where the Bible states the Earth is 6,000 years old, nor do I know of any public school system that teaches it is.
As far as my kid hearing it, I would think my child had enough sense to realize that is baloney.

The Biblical documentation for a young Earth is actually better founded than a lot of other, more widely accepted, concepts. They start with a literal interpretation of whatever is said, and calculate generation by generation to arrive at the Earth's age. But of course the Bible couldn't say "the Earth is 6,000 years old" because it wasn't 6,000 when the Bible was written.

Whether any public school has put in this version of Creationism yet or not (Texas is trying), there are people working hard to get it in. Like these people... https://www.icr.org/article/66/ So sure, maybe your kid could realize it's baloney, but if you know it's baloney to start with, why would it be acceptable in a public school curriculum? No different from teaching that the South won the Civil War or that there was no Holocaust.