2024 Election Results....Here We Go!

[GoCubsGo]

Well, O Really seemed to question my opinion that Kamala was an embarrassment. So I responded to that.

But if you want me to assess Trump as a candidate, the fact that I refused to vote for him should tell you all you need to know. As I have said before, I find him to be an egomaniac, a liar and pretty much a morally bankrupt individual. Unfortunately, I consider Kamala to be equally dishonest and equally morally bankrupt.

I wil no longer settle for voting for lesser evils. I want to vote for people that I feel good about.

He did and you didn't answer, you pivoted to Biden.

Unfortunately, I consider Kamala to be equally dishonest and equally morally bankrupt.

Why?

AFAIK the only thing I know that may be considered morally bankrupt but certainly not dishonest was dating a separated man of ten years almost thirty years ago.

It's not dishonest, it's not immoral and it's not illegal.

The right has alleged some sort of patronage from it, but like most things in wingnut world facts matter very little and rarely resemble the truth. They were effectively Swiftboating her and the lemmings run with it and scream it from rooftops as they are known to do.

What else?

If you disagree on policy fine, but don't call it dishonest or morally bankrupt.

That's dishonest.

[GoCubsGo]

Brief but good.

[Jasmine]

Well, O Really seemed to question my opinion that Kamala was an embarrassment. So I responded to that.

But if you want me to assess Trump as a candidate, the fact that I refused to vote for him should tell you all you need to know. As I have said before, I find him to be an egomaniac, a liar and pretty much a morally bankrupt individual. Unfortunately, I consider Kamala to be equally dishonest and equally morally bankrupt.

I wil no longer settle for voting for lesser evils. I want to vote for people that I feel good about.

He did and you didn't answer, you pivoted to Biden.

Unfortunately, I consider Kamala to be equally dishonest and equally morally bankrupt.

Why?

AFAIK the only thing I know that may be considered morally bankrupt but certainly not dishonest was dating a separated man of ten years almost thirty years ago.

It's not dishonest, it's not immoral and it's not illegal.

The right has alleged some sort of patronage from it, but like most things in wingnut world facts matter very little and rarely resemble the truth. They were effectively Swiftboating her and the lemmings run with it and scream it from rooftops as they are known to do.

What else?

If you disagree on policy fine, but don't call it dishonest or morally bankrupt.

That's dishonest.

She is a liar, much like Trump is. Examples: Her stances on fracking and mandatory gun buybacks. I mean, her contradictions are caught on video. She’s a liar. So is Biden. So is Trump.

[GoCubsGo]

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She is a liar, much like Trump is. Examples: Her stances on fracking and mandatory gun buybacks. I mean, her contradictions are caught on video. She’s a liar. So is Biden. So is Trump.

Then call her a flip flopper.

Changing positions doesn't equate to lying.

[Jasmine]

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She is a liar, much like Trump is. Examples: Her stances on fracking and mandatory gun buybacks. I mean, her contradictions are caught on video. She’s a liar. So is Biden. So is Trump.

Then call her a flip flopper.

Changing positions doesn't equate to lying.

On CNN, she said, and I quote, “My values haven’t changed.”

[GoCubsGo]

On CNN, she said, and I quote, “My values haven’t changed.”

Are her values the same as her policy positions?

Values
2. a person's principles or standards of behavior; one's judgment of what is important in life:
"they internalize their parents' rules and values"

[Vrede too]

In my view, she was a complete embarrassment.

I don't agree with that.

... I think the dems’ downfall can be traced to April 23, 2023. That’s the day that Biden announced his intention to seek re-election.

We discussed our concerns with Joe's age then.

... Fast-forward one year: Biden’s debate performance proved to the entire world that Biden wasn’t fine at all. So much so that the top dems forced him to drop out of the race....

It is my belief that if Biden stepped aside early on and did not try to run again, the dems would have nominated a much more viable and electable presidential candidate....

Agreed. A year or so ago we discussed our preferences for Newsome and others. Last Summer GoCubsGo found a year+ old post of mine where I said that if Joe died or dropped out late in the primaries or after them the Dems would have no choice but to nominate Kamala. Not doing so would lose them droves of women and Blacks, their base.

However, if Joe never ran or if he'd exited earlier the Dems would have had real multi-candidate primaries and Kamala would not have been the choice. I don't think she's as horrible as you do, but she had no groundswell of supporters until she became the de facto nominee.

Everyone is discussing why Kamala lost, including her perceived personal failings. I'm not going to pretend to superior insight and wisdom, but I think we have to note that the Dems also lost governor races, the Senate and probably the House. Nor can we ignore the certain impact of American racism and misogyny.

[Vrede too]

Brief but good.

https://x.com/gtconway3d/status/1854382423422767557

America Did This to Itself
And now we all must suffer through it.
By George T. Conway III

... My own hope and belief about what would transpire last night was sadly and profoundly wrong—like many, I have the emotional and intellectual flaw, if that’s what it is, of assuming that people are wiser and more decent than they actually turn out to be. I feel chastened—distraught—about my apparently naive view of human nature.

Ditto It's like America did not see and hear what we have posted about for 9+ years, sigh.

I dare not predict the future again, particularly as it comes to elections and other forms of mass behavior. But I daresay I fear we shall see a profound degradation in the ability of this nation to govern itself rationally and fairly, with freedom and political equality under the rule of law. Because that is not actually a prediction. It’s a logical deduction based on the words and deeds of the president-elect, his enablers, and his supporters—and a long and often sorry record of human history. Let us brace ourselves.

[Jasmine]

In my view, she was a complete embarrassment.

I don't agree with that.

... I think the dems’ downfall can be traced to April 23, 2023. That’s the day that Biden announced his intention to seek re-election.

We discussed our concerns with Joe's age then.

... Fast-forward one year: Biden’s debate performance proved to the entire world that Biden wasn’t fine at all. So much so that the top dems forced him to drop out of the race....

It is my belief that if Biden stepped aside early on and did not try to run again, the dems would have nominated a much more viable and electable presidential candidate....

Agreed. A year or so ago we discussed our preferences for Newsome and others. Last Summer GoCubsGo found a year+ old post of mine where I said that if Joe died or dropped out late in the primaries or after them the Dems would have no choice but to nominate Kamala. Not doing so would lose them droves of women and Blacks, their base.

However, if Joe never ran or if he'd exited earlier the Dems would have had real multi-candidate primaries and Kamala would not have been the choice. I don't think she's as horrible as you do, but she had no groundswell of supporters until she became the de facto nominee.

Everyone is discussing why Kamala lost, including her perceived personal failings. I'm not going to pretend to superior insight and wisdom, but I think we have to note that the Dems also lost governor races, the Senate and probably the House. Nor can we ignore the certain impact of American racism and misogyny.

Great response. I can’t argue with much of it, especially the bolded part.

[GoCubsGo]

Can't remember if was here, LNF or talking with friends but before Joe dropped out and after the debate my big concern was Kamala’s electability because of her gender and color.

When she was (rightly or not) handed the nomination and groundswell support and enthusiasm began I forgot about it and foolishly thought it wasn't a factor due to her being a very good candidate and of course not Trump.

Big mistake.

Dems have run two far better qualified women and lost yet Biden literally beat him from his basement.

It's very telling. The presidential glass ceiling lives and may not be gone for a while. I cannot honestly see a female nominee in the near future and the reason probably won't be said out loud.

[bannination]

Can't remember if was here, LNF or talking with friends but before Joe dropped out and after the debate my big concern was Kamala’s electability because of her gender and color.

When she was (rightly or not) handed the nomination and groundswell support and enthusiasm began I forgot about it and foolishly thought it wasn't a factor due to her being a very good candidate and of course not Trump.

Big mistake.

Dems have run two far better qualified women and lost yet Biden literally beat him from his basement.

It's very telling. The presidential glass ceiling lives and may not be gone for a while. I cannot honestly see a female nominee in the near future and the reason probably won't be said out loud.

I'm sure gender and color played a role, but the thing I'm noticing is that people who did vote for Trump had no idea it was against their own interest until it was too late and actually started caring and researching what Project 2025 is and what Trump's general policies are.

The conversations I'm seeing internally in companies already suggest we may have an amount of inflation increasing before Trump takes office just because they want to purchase as many materials they can before the tariffs go into effect.

At least one company allegedy is doing it at the expense of promised bonuses to employees and had to explain to them that tariffs are something the company pays that's passed on to consumers, not a tax the foreign country pays.

I think what we really have is apathy about elections and large amounts of misinformation combined with people who just aren't informed.

It's a theory.

[GoCubsGo]

I'm sure gender and color played a role, but the thing I'm noticing is that people who did vote for Trump had no idea it was against their own interest until it was too late and actually started caring and researching what Project 2025 is and what Trump's general policies are.

The conversations I'm seeing internally in companies already suggest we may have an amount of inflation increasing before Trump takes office just because they want to purchase as many materials they can before the tariffs go into effect.

At least one company allegedy is doing it at the expense of promised bonuses to employees and had to explain to them that tariffs are something the company pays that's passed on to consumers, not a tax the foreign country pays.

I think what we really have is apathy about elections and large amounts of misinformation combined with people who just aren't informed.

It's a theory.

Rural Republicans have been doing that for years with the promise of a magic wand to change their station in life. Ain't happened. Ain't gonna happen. Yet they'll continue to vote against their own interests.

Add to that is an awful lot of just plain lazy. We're informed, invested and abreast far higher than the national average. How often did we hear "I just don't know enough about Harris?" WTF? Everything you'd want or need to know was just a click away but it seems to be too much effort to actually click, watch and listen about politics when there's so much TikTok available.

Nope, 30 second sound bites repeated ad nauseum without a shred of substance ruled the day.

There's probably three or more components to the Venn diagram of the trump voter with a lot of overlap including a fairly large percentage of sickophants that actually would vote for him if he shot someone on 5th Avenue.

[GoCubsGo]

There's a Cruz I can get behind.

[Vrede too]

There's a Cruz I can get behind.

https://x.com/patriottakes/status/1854732688994754957

Caroline Camille Cruz, 16, Article




People react to Vanity Fair cover of Donald Trump after presidential election win

[GoCubsGo]

[Vrede too]

https://i.imgur.com/jxwYE3E.jpeg

Harsh truths?

Opinion: Here’s What I Learned From Trump’s Victory: I’m the Problem. It’s Me

WE need an attitude adjustment, problem solved.

Former Sen. Claire McCaskill Says Americans Must Now Acknowledge 1 Heartbreaking Thing

Former Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) said Americans must now “acknowledge that Donald Trump knows our country better than we do” following his decisive 2024 election victory over Democratic rival Kamala Harris.

The president-elect “figured out that anger and, frankly, fear were way more powerful than appealing to people’s better angels,” McCaskill lamented on Wednesday’s broadcast of MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.”

“That anger and fear were going to work in this election, whether you’re afraid of immigrants or afraid of people who are trans, he figured that out,” she continued. “And I think we all thought everyone’s better angels would prevail. Turns out the better angels went on vacation when Donald Trump came down the escalator and they haven’t returned.”

“The majority of America believes he was persecuted, not prosecuted,” McCaskill added, referencing Trump’s multiple legal woes ― which will likely go away once he is in the White House ― and the 34 felony convictions from his hush money case.

Crap

[Vrede too]

Strangely, it looks like in a state where many complain about not making ends meet the raise in minimum wage from $15 to $18 may not pass. I voted for it. Allowing municipalities greater authority to enact rent control looks like it isn't passing either. Had a lot of big money behind the opposition to that one.

Also in CA, US House according to NPR:
https://apps.npr.org/2024-election-results/house.html
CA is barely hanging on to 3 "Lean Democratic" seats.
CA is losing all 5 "Toss-up seats" and this could make the difference in House control.

Any thoughts on what's up there?

[O Really]

Also in CA, US House according to NPR:
https://apps.npr.org/2024-election-results/house.html
CA is barely hanging on to 3 "Lean Democratic" seats.
CA is losing all 5 "Toss-up seats" and this could make the difference in House control.

Any thoughts on what's up there?

I dunno, but I could guess. My guy (Levin) is up by about 3% but it's not officially called yet. This district encompasses northwest San Diego County and parts of southern Orange County. The repug (Gunderson) generally ran away from MAGA, made an issue of declaring himself "pro-choice" (even though his record doesn't otherwise show it), and had this reasonable sounding approach focusing on economic matters and lightly on immigration. Meanwhile, he ran this ad against Levin in which Levin was accurately quoted, but out of context that probably had an effect. Levin is popular, but Gunderson did make himself seem like a good candidate. So if you bought his economic/immigration message, and didn't look too hard at his state assembly record on reproductive rights, you might give him a vote.

As to the others, I'm guessing they had similar campaigns, putting lots of lipstick on pigs.

[Vrede too]

Ah, thanks. I was wondering with the initiatives that surprised you if CA was shifting right. Since I posted one of the CA "Toss-up" seats has changed to blue leading.

[Vrede too]

He won AZ, too. 312-226 landslide

So far:

Kamala Harris
47.9% of popular vote (70,858,691 votes)
2020 Biden got 81,283,501

Donald Trump
50.4% of popular vote (74,535,467 votes)
2020 got 74,223,975

2.5% is not a popular vote landslide, nor is less than 4M votes.

So, MAGAtworld stayed about the same, but Dem turnout crashed We should go back to cheating Would OLDJoe have done better than Kamala? IMO he wouldn't have, but I could be wrong.