Vrede too wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 5:38 am:confusion-scratchheadblue: Mitsubishi?As always, I follow your lead to instant victory.neoplacebo wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2021 2:51 pmToyota never got any of my money, but I figure to continue in that manner.
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Yeah, one could accurately say that from about 1974 to 1986 the Japanese were kicking Detroit's ass. Honda being the heavyweight champ at same. Honda made and exported lawn mowers (very few Japanese have grass to cut) and boat motors (maybe 1 out of 300 people in Japan drive a car; much much fewer own a boat). I can remember as a kid when anything made in Japan was considered junk. It just goes to show that the most rapid and profitable way to success is to lose a war with the US....like Germany and Japan. Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan just weren't paying attention.billy.pilgrim wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 6:15 amBought my 2005 Tacoma new. It's approaching 300,000 miles. I figure me a Toyota both git a decent deal.
Don't forget that it was these Japanese cars that finally shook the "US Mericans only want huge heavy cars and trucks" put of Detroit.
Good to see that they are listening now. Too bad that couldn't figure this one out on their own.
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Vietnam makes some great shirts.
Trump: “We had the safest border in the history of our country - or at least recorded history. I guess maybe a thousand years ago it was even better.”
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Yeah, but if they'd lost the war, they could have been making those great shirts for the past 46 years instead of in the last 20 or so.
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Japan's automotive success from the 70's onward has a lot to do with their culture. At a time when American car workers were more interested in getting high, drunk, grabbing the nearest pussy, etc., the Japanese were out to make the best possible product given their design and material constraints. And the Japanese view of the business was that it was a type of war to be won.neoplacebo wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 6:44 amYeah, one could accurately say that from about 1974 to 1986 the Japanese were kicking Detroit's ass. Honda being the heavyweight champ at same. Honda made and exported lawn mowers (very few Japanese have grass to cut) and boat motors (maybe 1 out of 300 people in Japan drive a car; much much fewer own a boat). I can remember as a kid when anything made in Japan was considered junk. It just goes to show that the most rapid and profitable way to success is to lose a war with the US....like Germany and Japan. Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan just weren't paying attention.billy.pilgrim wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 6:15 amBought my 2005 Tacoma new. It's approaching 300,000 miles. I figure me a Toyota both git a decent deal.
Don't forget that it was these Japanese cars that finally shook the "US Mericans only want huge heavy cars and trucks" put of Detroit.
Good to see that they are listening now. Too bad that couldn't figure this one out on their own.
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And not just the workers. It was top down: Americans only want big cars, seat belts will put the cost of autos too high for the average person, no one wants safety over style, the same ol blah blah from any situation where they are or believe they are above competition.Ulysses wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 12:33 pmJapan's automotive success from the 70's onward has a lot to do with their culture. At a time when American car workers were more interested in getting high, drunk, grabbing the nearest pussy, etc., the Japanese were out to make the best possible product given their design and material constraints. And the Japanese view of the business was that it was a type of war to be won.neoplacebo wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 6:44 amYeah, one could accurately say that from about 1974 to 1986 the Japanese were kicking Detroit's ass. Honda being the heavyweight champ at same. Honda made and exported lawn mowers (very few Japanese have grass to cut) and boat motors (maybe 1 out of 300 people in Japan drive a car; much much fewer own a boat). I can remember as a kid when anything made in Japan was considered junk. It just goes to show that the most rapid and profitable way to success is to lose a war with the US....like Germany and Japan. Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan just weren't paying attention.billy.pilgrim wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 6:15 amBought my 2005 Tacoma new. It's approaching 300,000 miles. I figure me a Toyota both git a decent deal.
Don't forget that it was these Japanese cars that finally shook the "US Mericans only want huge heavy cars and trucks" put of Detroit.
Good to see that they are listening now. Too bad that couldn't figure this one out on their own.
Trump: “We had the safest border in the history of our country - or at least recorded history. I guess maybe a thousand years ago it was even better.”
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I disagree. The UAW "workers" are NOT the people who designed the cars. The inherent culture of the Japanese worker in any capacity is one in which the person doesn't consider his job as just somewhere he spends eight hours a day; they take pride in doing a good job. I've seen this in person. And it was an American named Deming who taught the Japanese about quality control; he tried to teach Detroit about it but they weren't interested. The Mazda Miata was an American design that no American auto maker was interested in, so the guy who designed it took it to Japan.Ulysses wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 12:33 pmJapan's automotive success from the 70's onward has a lot to do with their culture. At a time when American car workers were more interested in getting high, drunk, grabbing the nearest pussy, etc., the Japanese were out to make the best possible product given their design and material constraints. And the Japanese view of the business was that it was a type of war to be won.neoplacebo wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 6:44 amYeah, one could accurately say that from about 1974 to 1986 the Japanese were kicking Detroit's ass. Honda being the heavyweight champ at same. Honda made and exported lawn mowers (very few Japanese have grass to cut) and boat motors (maybe 1 out of 300 people in Japan drive a car; much much fewer own a boat). I can remember as a kid when anything made in Japan was considered junk. It just goes to show that the most rapid and profitable way to success is to lose a war with the US....like Germany and Japan. Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan just weren't paying attention.billy.pilgrim wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 6:15 amBought my 2005 Tacoma new. It's approaching 300,000 miles. I figure me a Toyota both git a decent deal.
Don't forget that it was these Japanese cars that finally shook the "US Mericans only want huge heavy cars and trucks" put of Detroit.
Good to see that they are listening now. Too bad that couldn't figure this one out on their own.
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They WERE above competition for decades. That's what made them gradually lose their market share. Along with the fact that virtually every other industrialized country in the world has excellent and universally accessible mass transit except the US makes having a car damn near a necessity in this country, so Detroit basically had a captive market. Before you can buy a car in Japan you have to prove to the state that you have a place to park it; on your property. I knew a Japanese guy who owned a bar near the Yokosuka naval station; he got himself a 1977 Trans Am. Before he could take possession of it after it was imported, the authorities virtually took it apart to inspect it for quality and safety. He paid about three times what the car sold for at a Pontiac dealer. About $21,000 if I remember correctly.billy.pilgrim wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 1:36 pmAnd not just the workers. It was top down: Americans only want big cars, seat belts will put the cost of autos too high for the average person, no one wants safety over style, the same ol blah blah from any situation where they are or believe they are above competition.Ulysses wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 12:33 pmJapan's automotive success from the 70's onward has a lot to do with their culture. At a time when American car workers were more interested in getting high, drunk, grabbing the nearest pussy, etc., the Japanese were out to make the best possible product given their design and material constraints. And the Japanese view of the business was that it was a type of war to be won.neoplacebo wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 6:44 amYeah, one could accurately say that from about 1974 to 1986 the Japanese were kicking Detroit's ass. Honda being the heavyweight champ at same. Honda made and exported lawn mowers (very few Japanese have grass to cut) and boat motors (maybe 1 out of 300 people in Japan drive a car; much much fewer own a boat). I can remember as a kid when anything made in Japan was considered junk. It just goes to show that the most rapid and profitable way to success is to lose a war with the US....like Germany and Japan. Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan just weren't paying attention.billy.pilgrim wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 6:15 amBought my 2005 Tacoma new. It's approaching 300,000 miles. I figure me a Toyota both git a decent deal.
Don't forget that it was these Japanese cars that finally shook the "US Mericans only want huge heavy cars and trucks" put of Detroit.
Good to see that they are listening now. Too bad that couldn't figure this one out on their own.
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All true points.
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A Capitol riot defendant who threatened to hang Nancy Pelosi said she didn't need an attorney because she was divinely immune from the court's laws
The Pennsylvania pizzeria owner is a couple of slices short of a full pie.
Idk what make of car she drives.
Idk what make of car she drives.
Lament the murder, not the murdered.
1312. ETTD. 86 47.
1312. ETTD. 86 47.
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Probably a Hummer or an old Buick Roadblaster.Vrede too wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:50 amA Capitol riot defendant who threatened to hang Nancy Pelosi said she didn't need an attorney because she was divinely immune from the court's laws
The Pennsylvania pizzeria owner is a couple of slices short of a full pie.
Idk what make of car she drives.
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More likely she drives the same piece of crap that Walter White drove in Breaking Bad: one of the ugliest things to come out of Detroit: The Pontiac Aztek (I apologize to anybody here who has one).neoplacebo wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:30 amProbably a Hummer or an old Buick Roadblaster.Vrede too wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:50 amA Capitol riot defendant who threatened to hang Nancy Pelosi said she didn't need an attorney because she was divinely immune from the court's laws
The Pennsylvania pizzeria owner is a couple of slices short of a full pie.
Idk what make of car she drives.
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Yugo?
Trump: “We had the safest border in the history of our country - or at least recorded history. I guess maybe a thousand years ago it was even better.”
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Most anything in the Audi "Q Family"
https://www.audibellevue.com/q-models.htm
https://www.audibellevue.com/q-models.htm
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I'll stick with the Buick Roadblaster station wagon with all options...I just suspect that's what it'll be. You can get a lot of dynamite in a Roadblaster wagon.
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Lament the murder, not the murdered.
1312. ETTD. 86 47.
1312. ETTD. 86 47.
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I think it's a reasonable sentence, in exchange for a guilty plea and saying "that was a stupid thing to do" in public.Vrede too wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:59 pmCapitol rioter who breached Senate gets 8 months for felony
Lock him up!
He's getting locked up.
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What is that?O Really wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 11:18 pmI think it's a reasonable sentence, in exchange for a guilty plea and saying "that was a stupid thing to do" in public.Vrede too wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:59 pmCapitol rioter who breached Senate gets 8 months for felony
Lock him up!
He's getting locked up.
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One down and 399 to go?
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Especially since they did not catch him engaging in any physical violence or property destruction (though "carrying a Trump campaign flag" should be a separate crime
Lament the murder, not the murdered.
1312. ETTD. 86 47.
1312. ETTD. 86 47.