Trump

[Vrede too]

I don't think Cheney's living in Texas was a tax dodge. Before getting the VP nod he was Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer of Halliburton, headquarters - Houston, Texas.

[billy.pilgrim]

Remember, "living" in Texas was a tax dodge. Texans didn't pay a state income tax. President Bush I, despite owning and living in a house in Kennebunkport, Maine, claimed a Houston hotel room as his home.

Doonesbury did a series of strips back in the day about it, including one with an "application for residency" inviting readers to claim they were Texans to avoid paying a state income tax.

Thumper doesn't claim the fla homestead exemption, but a claim of fla residency (no income tax here either) and a ticket with sleepy for vp, may be why he won't show his taxes

That and that he likely doesn't pay any

[Vrede too]

So, folks at work - usually not political - are stunned by Carson endorsing Trump, mostly over the style differences.

My response: It's not like Carson has been all that sane prior to now.

[rstrong]

Ben Carson says that Trump has two sides: The combative campaign persona and a "very cerebral" approach in private. A measured side who "considers things carefully."

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[Vrede too]

Trump commands mob to ‘Knock the Crap Out’ of protesters, promises to pay legal fees

There may be somebody with tomatoes in the audience. So if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously. Okay? Just knock the hell— I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. I promise, I promise. It won’t be so much ’cause the courts agree with us too.

No tomato, no paid legal fees, not sure about other food.

I guess there's at least one other quote about defending violent perps.

5 Times Donald Trump Condoned Violence Against Protesters

... -- Last week, when one of his rallies in Michigan was interrupted by a protestor, Trump said, “Get him out. Try not to hurt him. If you do I’ll defend you in court.” He later regaled the crowd with the story of how his supporters “took out” a protester at a rally in New Hampshire, saying it was “really amazing to watch.” ...

No mention of produce.

[billy.pilgrim]

Chris Matthews sucks
just another right wing nut at msnbc


it's like there has never been a protest from the right.


Not sure about his angle, but shirley trumpet knew this would happen. Reckon we find out tomorrow if/why this was promoted by trump

[Seth Milner]

I hate to say this, let alone think it, but Trump is liable to get thumped. He is doing as much to promote hate and discord as Obama has done to promote the resurgence of racism. (now the ship is going to hit the sand!)

[billy.pilgrim]

I hate to say this, let alone think it, but Trump is liable to get thumped. He is doing as much to promote hate and discord as Obama has done to promote the resurgence of racism. (now the ship is going to hit the sand!)

in a way, I agree. Not that he promoted a resurgence of racism, but that he was/is blind to the racism in this country. BS like allowing the aca to be called Obamacare alienated millions from ever being able to accept the aca and guarantees its demise

[Vrede too]

The ACA was widely called Obamacare long before Obama and the Dems gave up and joined the bandwagon.

Obama has not promoted any racism. All he's done is recognize its existence. Seth Milner is just projecting his oft-expressed racism on someone else.

[O Really]

The term "Obamacare" was first used by the Republicans as a derogotory term, trying to dreg up memories of when they called Clinton's attempt at healthcare reform "Hillarycare."

There's an ad running in Florida now against Kasich - one of those sinister-voiced things that could make "he went to breakfast" sound worthy of public flogging. The voice accuses Kasich of "...even supported Obama's expansion of Medicaid!" Horrors!

[billy.pilgrim]

The ACA was widely called Obamacare long before Obama and the Dems gave up and joined the bandwagon.

Obama has not promoted any racism. All he's done is recognize its existence. Seth Milner is just projecting his oft-expressed racism on someone else.

I watched - there was almost no effort to stop calling it obamacare

Like some racist pig is ever going to accept anything called obama......

Almost as stupid as allowing palin to rant on and on about death panels.

I think he is out of touch. For some reason he believes the American people are smart enough to sort through the lies and ignorance on the right on their own

[O Really]

I watched - there was almost no effort to stop calling it obamacare

True, but if he/Dems had, the Repugs would have been all over "trying to walk away from it...doesn't want to be blamed for it...look, they won't even mention his name...yada crap"

The right has become expert par none at co-opting neutral or positive terms and turning them into epithets.

[Vrede too]

... I think he is out of touch. For some reason he believes the American people are smart enough to sort through the lies and ignorance on the right on their own

Can't argue with that, though Obama could just be pretending because it's expected of a POTUS to believe that the American people are smart.

[Seth Milner]

Obama has not promoted any racism. . . . All he's done is recognize its existence.
Read it again, dingbat. I said to "promote the resurgence". Racism doesn't have to be promoted; it's already there. Hoods who physically challenge LEO's, (and it appears to be happening more frequently) and get shot, get their comeuppance; that's why cops are armed. If the hood happens to be Black, then according to the news media and other so-called civil rights venues; and their words echoed by our POTUS, it's a racial issue. I'm not referring to back-shooting cops, although now every time a Black gets shot, according to "witnesses" and the media, he was unarmed or shot in the back. Obama, you know, then climbs on his soapbox to denounce the shooting of a Black man. Where's the media outrage, and the outrage from the White House when a crime is committed against a White by a Black? Where's the outrage when a cop shoots a White; or a Black cop shoots a White?


Seth Milner is just projecting his oft-expressed racism on someone else.
Waah, waah, waah, I just got attacked! I'm putting you on ignore!

"Oft-expressed racism" . . . . that's a laugh. I'm about as racist as you are homophobic.

[Seth Milner]

I watched - there was almost no effort to stop calling it obamacare

True, but if he/Dems had, the Repugs would have been all over . . .

It would have ben called "_____care" regardless who dreamed it up.
I'm just happy that our local, favorite health-care provider or his Canadian dance partner didn't design it.

[billy.pilgrim]

I watched - there was almost no effort to stop calling it obamacare

True, but if he/Dems had, the Repugs would have been all over . . .

It would have ben called "_____care" regardless who dreamed it up.
I'm just happy that our local, favorite health-care provider or his Canadian dance partner didn't design it.

I would have rather them than the right wing Heritage Foundation

[Vrede too]

It wasn't Obama who "dreamed it up." Congress did and Obama signed it. "Obamacare" has always been a false moniker.

Neither I nor rstrong needs to design anything. We've got the examples of every other industrialized democracy having single payer and getting comparable outcomes to the US for 1/2 to 2/3 the per capita cost. Plus, neither I nor I'm pretty sure rstrong would have designed the GOP-model, Big Insurance shilling ACA. I wanted single payer or at the very least the public option.

In his pitiful desperation to whine about us, Seth Milner completely screws up all logic, again.

[rstrong]

I would have rather them than the right wing Heritage Foundation

Since this will go over Milner's head, I'll explain.

Obama campaigned in 2008 on a single-payer health care system. It was defeated in 2009 because Obama only had a majority of Congress supporting it and he needed a supermajority. *1

So he ran with the ACA instead, better known as "15 years of Republican health care policy until the moment Obama adopted it." *2 and turned it into the ACA. Even the personal mandate - now derided by Republicans as unconstitutional commie Marxist socialism - emerged from the right-wing Heritage Foundation (which supports Ted Cruz) - and was mainstream Republican policy *3 including their alternative to Clintoncare.


*1) Yes, some Republicans claim that Obama had a majority. It's easy to show that he didn't.

*2) Yes, Republicans deny this too. Wishful thinking on their part.

*3) Yes, Republicans deny this too. But there's a LONG list of Republican leaders who supported it - Bob Dole, Newt Gingrich, Mitt Romney, etc.

[rstrong]

5 Times Donald Trump Condoned Violence Against Protesters

Since this will go over Milner's head...

That's the same as the number of fingers on one hand.

[billy.pilgrim]

The conservative forum is almost funny, or would be if these people lived in another country

Suckersalesmanager argues that soros planned the Chicago protest, while others blame bill Ayres
And another idiot says that media matters did it