2016 Elections

[O Really]

I'm sure there must be many studies showing the harm done to kids by hearing adults swear or reading vulgar words. If anybody has a link to those studies I'd be interested in reading them.

[billy.pilgrim]

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=pr ... ORM=VRDGAR

[Boatrocker]

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=pr ... ORM=VRDGAR

[O Really]

I'm sure there must be many studies showing the harm done to kids by hearing adults swear or reading vulgar words. If anybody has a link to those studies I'd be interested in reading them.

Damn, you can't even be sarcastic any more without finding out your sarcasm is real... https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/cu ... your-child

(spoiler: (the article’s authors state that they have recorded 10,000 instances of swearing and rarely seen direct harm)) but context matters.

[Vrede too]

... Sanders seems honest, but he has so far refused to disclose how he would pay for free education, infrastructure improvement, and Medicare for all. Link

... Your article quotes CNN saying that Bernie has said how he would pay for free education and infrastructure improvement, and his ideas for Medicare for all aren't hard to suss out, as the CNN source article says but your article didn't quote:

... When Sanders introduced a single-payer bill in 2013, the bill was to be paid for through "an equitable system of progressive taxation, payroll taxes and re-allocation of current dedicated health care expenditures by the federal, state and local governments." ...

Medicare for All: Leaving No One Behind

... Major Savings for Families and Businesses

Bernie’s plan will cost over $6 trillion less than the current health care system over the next ten years.

The United States currently spends $3 trillion on health care each year—nearly $10,000 per person. Reforming our health care system, simplifying our payment structure and incentivizing new ways to make sure patients are actually getting better health care will generate massive savings. This plan has been estimated to save the American people and businesses over $6 trillion over the next decade.

The typical middle class family would save over $5,000 under this plan.

Last year, the average working family paid $4,955 in premiums and $1,318 in deductibles to private health insurance companies. Under this plan, a family of four earning $50,000 would pay just $466 per year to the single-payer program, amounting to a savings of over $5,800 for that family each year.

Businesses would save over $9,400 a year in health care costs for the average employee.

The average annual cost to the employer for a worker with a family who makes $50,000 a year would go from $12,591 to just $3,100.

How Much Will It Cost and How Do We Pay For It?

How Much Will It Cost?

This plan has been estimated to cost $1.38 trillion per year.

The Plan Would Be Fully Paid For By:

A 6.2 percent income-based health care premium paid by employers.
Revenue raised: $630 billion per year.

A 2.2 percent income-based premium paid by households.
Revenue raised: $210 billion per year.

This year, a family of four taking the standard deduction can have income up to $28,800 and not pay this tax under this plan.

A family of four making $50,000 a year taking the standard deduction would only pay $466 this year.

Progressive income tax rates.
Revenue raised: $110 billion a year.

Under this plan the marginal income tax rate would be:
37 percent on income between $250,000 and $500,000.
43 percent on income between $500,000 and $2 million.
48 percent on income between $2 million and $10 million. (In 2013, only 113,000 households, the top 0.08 percent of taxpayers, had income between $2 million and $10 million.)
52 percent on income above $10 million. (In 2013, only 13,000 households, just 0.01 percent of taxpayers, had income exceeding $10 million.)

Taxing capital gains and dividends the same as income from work.
Revenue raised: $92 billion per year.

Warren Buffett, the second wealthiest American in the country, has said that he pays a lower effective tax rate than his secretary. The reason is that he receives most of his income from capital gains and dividends, which are taxed at a much lower rate than income from work. This plan will end the special tax break for capital gains and dividends on household income above $250,000.

Limit tax deductions for rich.
Revenue raised: $15 billion per year

Under Bernie’s plan, households making over $250,000 would no longer be able to save more than 28 cents in taxes from every dollar in tax deductions. This limit would replace more complicated and less effective limits on tax breaks for the rich including the AMT, the personal exemption phase-out and the limit on itemized deductions.

The Responsible Estate Tax.
Revenue raised: $21 billion per year.

This provision would tax the estates of the wealthiest 0.3 percent (three-tenths of 1 percent) of Americans who inherit over $3.5 million at progressive rates and close loopholes in the estate tax.

Savings from health tax expenditures.
Revenue raised: $310 billion per year.

Several tax breaks that subsidize health care (health-related “tax expenditures”) would become obsolete and disappear under a single-payer health care system, saving $310 billion per year.

Most importantly, health care provided by employers is compensation that is not subject to payroll taxes or income taxes under current law. This is a significant tax break that would effectively disappear under this plan because all Americans would receive health care through the new single-payer program instead of employer-based health care.

Of course, any POTUS is constrained by budget analysis and realities, Congress, and the power of lobbyists, but I would prefer one working towards these ends.

[Vrede too]

The Clinton Campaign Has Resorted to Lies to Beat Sanders

We all knew the day would come when Hillary Clinton would finally have to stop pretending she wasn't worried about the Bernie Sanders campaign, and it has finally arrived.

Her daughter, Chelsea Clinton is now on the road doing stump speeches for her mom and using the opportunity to flat out lie about Bernie Sanders' healthcare plan....

PolitiFact: Chelsea Clinton mischaracterizes Bernie Sanders' health care plan

... We rate her claim Mostly False.

[Vrede too]

I'm sure there must be many studies showing the harm done to kids by hearing adults swear or reading vulgar words. If anybody has a link to those studies I'd be interested in reading them.

Damn, you can't even be sarcastic any more without finding out your sarcasm is real... https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/cu ... your-child

(spoiler: (the article’s authors state that they have recorded 10,000 instances of swearing and rarely seen direct harm)) but context matters.

... Another question concerns whether swearing has increased over the years, and although there has been little longitudinal research, preliminary evidence suggests that incidence of swearing is relatively stable....

Opps, there goes another leg in Seth Milner's contention that "morality" is decreasing.

Plus, we all know the tendency of kids to seek out and experiment with exactly those things that they are told are naughty or banned. Far better than censorship is honesty about the world accompanied by open discussion and explanation as to why some things might not be a good idea. Of course, authoritarians will never believe this.

[Seth Milner]

I'm sure there must be many studies showing the harm done to kids by hearing adults swear or reading vulgar words. If anybody has a link to those studies I'd be interested in reading them.

I don't have a link, but the proof is right here in these forum members.
Seriously O Really, let me ask you a question, and this has been my point all along. If you and your family were in a restaurant, supermarket, or other public venue and someone let go with a barrage of cursing and screaming at a hapless clerk, waitress, or whoever, would you just stand there and wait until it was all over while your kids absorbed all the 'f' and 'mf' words so prevalent in today's language? Would you take any steps in a diplomatic manner to defuse the situation? This is what I meant that people have no morals; no respect for themselves or others.
This is what I've been saying all along. How people convey their thoughts into words in these forums don't mean crap to me, unless their words are directed at me; then I respond in like manner. Vrede too has twisted my words to reflect his abject childishness as usual.

It's asinine that I have to explain this to supposedly intelligent people who knew exactly where I was coming from to begin with. It's nothing more than baiting.

[Seth Milner]

Go Bernie.

[rstrong]

I'm sure there must be many studies showing the harm done to kids by hearing adults swear or reading vulgar words. If anybody has a link to those studies I'd be interested in reading them.

Publishing for kids is like walking in a minefield even when you keep the language clean. I had nothing but complaints from angry parents over my Pop-Up Book of Phobias.

[O Really]

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Seriously O Really, let me ask you a question, and this has been my point all along. If you and your family were in a restaurant, supermarket, or other public venue and someone let go with a barrage of cursing and screaming at a hapless clerk, waitress, or whoever, would you just stand there and wait until it was all over while your kids absorbed all the 'f' and 'mf' words so prevalent in today's language? Would you take any steps in a diplomatic manner to defuse the situation? ....

I occasionally watch "What Would You Do?" and wonder which of the various situations they show would I intervene in and which I would walk on. Given those thoughts, as well as considering some incidents that I have intervened in and let go, I'd say it depends on the circumstances. If someone is in danger or subject to significant abuse, I'd do/say something. In instances similar to your examples (hapless clerk, etc.) I have confronted the asshole. But it wouldn't be particularly dependent on whether the language the asshole was using would be considered cursing. In any case, my discussion with my theoretical kids would be about the asshole's bad behaviour, and why I did or didn't do whatever. If it's just two people standing in line talking to each other with a bunch of foul language, I wouldn't make an issue but would still discuss with the kids why that was bad behaviour.

[Vrede too]

I agree with O Really. Unlike Seth Milner my reaction would be more to the verbal assault on the "hapless clerk, waitress, or whoever" than it would be to whether there was cursing involved and whether there were kids there or not. In fact, the presence of kids might restrain me - One has to weigh the lesson in standing up to bullies against the possibility of physical violence that might harm the kids or leave me unable to supervise them.

[Vrede too]

Publishing for kids is like walking in a minefield even when you keep the language clean. I had nothing but complaints from angry parents over my Pop-Up Book of Phobias.

There are also Pop-Up Books of Sex and the Kama Sutra, but you have to sign in to see those videos. America is a place where depicting sex is considered to be more shameful than depicting violence.

[Vrede too]

Marco Rubio: Poor Little Rich Boy Runs Into Real Estate Trouble
The Senator's three houses, various lady friends, assorted con artist pals and piles of unexplained income

Whoa.

[Boatrocker]

Marco Rubio: Poor Little Rich Boy Runs Into Real Estate Trouble
The Senator's three houses, various lady friends, assorted con artist pals and piles of unexplained income

Whoa.

Do they still squawk about "values," or has that become too embarrassing, even for wingnuts?

[Vrede too]

Rejecting greed was never one of the "values" they squawked about, they're too busy obsessing about the sex lives of others.

[rstrong]

Publishing for kids is like walking in a minefield even when you keep the language clean. I had nothing but complaints from angry parents over my Pop-Up Book of Phobias.

There are also Pop-Up Books of Sex and the Kama Sutra, but you have to sign in to see those videos. America is a place where depicting sex is considered to be more shameful than depicting violence.

Time for a Pop-Up Book of Republican Phobias.

A lot of topics could go in there. But it's probably best not to imagine the pop-ups for Planned Parenthood, gays, women's health, Hillary, ISIS, etc.

[Vrede too]

One could put out several volumes a year for a lifetime.

Trump receives key endorsement from Sarah Palin

Who is dumber than Sarah Palin?
Anyone that's "honored" by her endorsement.

Say, a Sarah Palin endorsement page could be in the Pop-Up Book of Republican Phobias.

[rstrong]

You betcha!

She wouldn't be alone. The 2012 Republican convention was notable for the absence of Bush II and other Republicans from the previous administration. And has anyone heard from Mitt Romney this cycle?

It really says something when the list of people whose endorsement is the kiss of death, essentially includes any previous Republican Presidential or Vice Presidential candidate and anyone in the previous Republican administration.... but Ted Nugent and Kim Davis are OK.

Karl Rove's page would pop up Nate Silver.

[Vrede too]

Opps, didn't see that rstrong had beaten me to the Palin news in the Trump thread.