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I called Scott and Rubio's offices this morning and left a long message for the person tasked with listening to and ignoring phone messages.
The Dems are shredding Putin's Agent Orange. :---P

I get that they're trying to make 45SHOLE look as bad as possible, and should, but it's still hard to listen to them praise VP Q-tip for not repeating the Big Lie on 1/6, for doing his OBVIOUS constitutional duty, and for arranging for the National Guard while former PINO was still cheering the traitors, something our govt has known to do since 1812. We should never ever forget that VP Q-tip is complicit slime, even if he did the minimum correct on 1/6/21.
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Vrede too wrote:
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billy.pilgrim wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 7:04 pm
I called Scott and Rubio's offices this morning and left a long message for the person tasked with listening to and ignoring phone messages.
The Dems are shredding Putin's Agent Orange. :---P

I get that they're trying to make 45SHOLE look as bad as possible, and should, but it's still hard to listen to them praise VP Q-tip for not repeating the Big Lie on 1/6, for doing his OBVIOUS constitutional duty, and for arranging for the National Guard while former PINO was still cheering the traitors, something our govt has known to do since 1812. We should never ever forget that VP Q-tip is complicit slime, even if he did the minimum correct on 1/6/21.
All true, but I think it's good to draw a clear distinction and comparison to what a real President should have done.

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billy.pilgrim wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 7:04 pm
I called Scott and Rubio's offices this morning and left a long message for the person tasked with listening to and ignoring phone messages.
I have chosen to not send a message to the poor bastards who are tasked with listening to and ignoring phone calls from constituents. Besides, I have a long and distinguished history of sending messages of disapproval, condemnation, and spleen busting rage to Marsha Blackburn but all that only served to make her more stupid than she already is. As of this writing, Bill Hagerty has never heard from me. He's just as fucking stupid as Marsha, so I may as well save my spleen and be content that Bill and Marsha are forever destined to be the perineum of white fascism in the cult of the stupid.

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The Dems are shredding Putin's Agent Orange. :---P ...
Rep. Joaquin Castro, D-Texas, did a great job!
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It didn't start with Trump, but Trump made it far worse that all the news media (and the population) now looks at politics only as sports/entertainment and covers only those who say something outrageous or stupid. There were several people spoke who were polished, articulate, and very statesman-like, most of whom few outside their own districts had ever hear of. In fact, I'll bet if you asked random people on the street to name some members of Congress, many if not most of them could come up with AOC and Cawthorn before their own - or at least before any others even from their own state.

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So seeing these RepuQs watching the riot and saying "yes, but Trump didn't do it" reminds me. Aren't these the people first in line to claim video games cause violence? And that occasionally going to a certain preacher's church turned Obama into some kind of muslim-monster?

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Florida’s asshole ittle dick Marco is bragging that he finished every level of Candy Crush during the dem's testimony.
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Vrede too wrote:
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The Dems are shredding Putin's Agent Orange. :---P

I get that they're trying to make 45SHOLE look as bad as possible, and should, but it's still hard to listen to them praise VP Q-tip for not repeating the Big Lie on 1/6, for doing his OBVIOUS constitutional duty, and for arranging for the National Guard while former PINO was still cheering the traitors, something our govt has known to do since 1812. We should never ever forget that VP Q-tip is complicit slime, even if he did the minimum correct on 1/6/21.
All true, but I think it's good to draw a clear distinction and comparison to what a real President should have done.
I get that and I'm not saying that it's a wrong tactic for the Dems, but it's still distasteful. This also:

Democrats Stress That Only Trump, Not GOP Senators, Deserves Blame For Riot
The House impeachment managers are even praising senators’ bravery.


Personally, I blame and will always blame the sycophant Repug senators, too.
As they make their case that former President Donald Trump used false claims of a “rigged election” to incite a mob against Congress, House Democrats are excusing the Republican senators who raised similar doubts about the 2020 vote.

GOP senators led by Josh Hawley (Mo.) and Ted Cruz (Texas) hyped Trump’s baseless fraud claims and, days before Congress was set to certify the election results on Jan. 6, announced that they would object to the results from key states that Democrat Joe Biden carried. Hawley even suggested Congress could determine the next president that day as Trump encouraged his supporters to come to Washington and “stop the steal.”

... But Hawley and Cruz raised the same bogus fraud claims that the ex-president did. They usually did so in a more refined manner, such as by lamenting the unfounded concerns of their constituents and calling for an investigation ― and possible alteration of certain results ― instead of saying outright that the election had been stolen. And no debate about those results, necessitating separate votes in the House and Senate, would have occurred without a senator’s objection that day.

Hawley, as he entered the Capitol on Jan. 6, even raised his fist to Trump supporters massed outside the building before they stormed in.

All 100 members of the Senate are jurors in the impeachment trial, so Democrats want to avoid alienating any of them, even if many Republicans have already made clear they will acquit Trump, no matter what.
Former PINO will still be acquitted and he'll never be elected again either way. It's these treasonous senators that we'll be dealing with for years to come.
During Trump’s first impeachment trial over his prodding of Ukraine’s president to smear Biden, Republican senators showed they would take great offense to any slight, as they did during the January 2020 proceedings when then-impeachment manager Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) claimed, based on an unverified report, that Trump had threatened them.

“The whole room was visibly upset on our side of it,” Sen. James Lankford (R-Okla.) said then.
Unpatriotic cowards don't like being called cowards, awww.
On Wednesday, impeachment manager Rep. Joe Neguse (D-Colo.) lauded the bravery of senators who returned to their desks and voted to certify the election just hours after the mob ransacked the chamber.

“The president was not successful in stopping the certification… thanks to the bravery of our law enforcement and to the bravery of the senators in this room,” Neguse said. “Each of you who still fulfilled your constitutional duty, even under the threat of mortal peril.”
Valid point, but it doesn't excuse everything they did and didn't do prior to the riot.
Neguse was too polite and politic to mention that Hawley, Cruz and six other Republican senators still voted to object to the election results, siding with Trump and his mob.
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After watching this thing wrap up yesterday, I now believe even more that the House should have charged trump over his other "perfect call" to the GA Secretary of State in which he blatantly attempted to reverse the result of an election. This could have given them more time (avoiding the "unconstitutional" defense) as well as being buttressed by the ongoing criminal investigation, which would have come up after the impeachment had already been initiated. Besides, in my scenario, trump's attorneys would not be able to produce asinine and silly sound bytes of Democrats saying "find me 11,780 votes; give me a break." But I suppose there would still be some GOP acolyte Senators who would agree that this, too, was a "perfect call."

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Sad but true.

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If at this point there are no witnesses the dems have zero balls and acquiesce that the trial is a sham.

The verdict is preordained, but history needs to record and recognize trump's crimes via first hand accounts.
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neoplacebo wrote:
Sat Feb 13, 2021 4:43 am
After watching this thing wrap up yesterday, I now believe even more that the House should have charged trump over his other "perfect call" to the GA Secretary of State in which he blatantly attempted to reverse the result of an election. This could have given them more time (avoiding the "unconstitutional" defense) as well as being buttressed by the ongoing criminal investigation, which would have come up after the impeachment had already been initiated. Besides, in my scenario, trump's attorneys would not be able to produce asinine and silly sound bytes of Democrats saying "find me 11,780 votes; give me a break." But I suppose there would still be some GOP acolyte Senators who would agree that this, too, was a "perfect call."
I supported more charges with both impeachments. However, former PINO's "asinine and silly" attorneys would have just claimed that his words didn't mean what they obviously meant, just like they've done for his months of incitement to treason, and they would have dredged up completely unrelated Dem quotes to muddy the issue like they did yesterday. Then, the Repugs would still have voted to acquit.

The vote was supposed to happen today or tomorrow. However,
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Sat Feb 13, 2021 10:21 am
If at this point there are no witnesses the dems have zero balls and acquiesce that the trial is a sham.

The verdict is preordained, but history needs to record and recognize trump's crimes via first hand accounts.
Also at exactly 10:21 am:

Question: On the Motion (Shall It Be In Order to Consider and Debate Any Motion to Subpoena Witnesses or Documents? )

Damn, GoCubsGo, that immediate an effect is better I think than even neoplacebo pulls off!
Senate Votes To Call Witnesses In Trump's Impeachment Trial

The Senate voted this morning to call witnesses in the impeachment trial of former President Donald Trump.

The vote, which was 55-45, throws a new wrinkle into the proceeding, which had been on a fast track, with many Senators from both sides of the aisle anxious to put it behind them and move on.

House impeachment manager Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-Md.) wants to subpoena Rep. Jaime Herrera Beutler (R-Wash.) about a phone call she had with House minority leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.). In a statement released last night, McCarthy, she said, told her of a phone call he received from Trump telling him that the mob storming the Capitol on January 6th was "more upset about the election than you are."

Raskin suggested deposing Herrera by Zoom for an hour. Trump attorney Michael van der Veen responded that if the Democratic house managers wish to call witnesses, that he will need "over 100 depositions."
TV pundit: It's a bluff, 45SHOLE's "asinine and silly" attorneys are terrified of witnesses. Might we hear from the horny QAnon Shaman after all? :D
Five Republicans voted with Democrats — Senators Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Mitt Romney of Utah, Ben Sasse of Nebraska, and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, who changed his vote to yes after initially voting no.
Lindsey? What's up with that? Here's what Rep. Jaime Herrera Beutler (R-Wash.) says:
House Republican pleads for Pence, Trump aides to speak out on Jan. 6 insurrection

... "To the patriots who were standing next to the former president as these conversations were happening, or even to the former Vice President: if you have something to add here, now would be the time," Herrera Beutler (R-Wash.) wrote in a statement released late Friday, on the eve of what is expected to be the Senate's final vote in Trump's impeachment trial.

Herrera Beutler issued the statement amid a new wave of attention on a story she has been telling since last month: that House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy relayed details of a phone call he had with Trump while the violent mob was ransacking the Capitol.

In Herrera Beutler's telling, McCarthy urged Trump to call off the mob, to which Trump initially responded that he couldn't because it was made up of left-wing extremists — a falsehood that has been debunked by federal investigators.

When McCarthy refuted Trump, the former president responded, "Well, Kevin, I guess these people are more upset about the election than you are," according to Herrera-Beutler....

Herrera Beutler's anecdote dovetails with the revelation from Sen. Tommy Tuberville that he directly informed Trump at around 2:15 p.m. on Jan. 6 that Pence had been evacuated from the Senate chamber just minutes earlier. At 2:24 p.m., Trump tweeted an attack on Pence, saying he lacked "courage" for refusing to unilaterally block Biden's victory.

It's unclear if Herrera Beutler's entreaties will have any impact just hours before the Senate is expected to conclude its trial and vote.

Late Friday, a Democratic senator cited the McCarthy and Tuberville revelations as a reason to potentially "suspend" the impeachment trial and seek testimony from both Republican lawmakers.

Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.) said House managers could also ask the "Secret Service to produce for review comms back to White House re VP Pence safety during siege. What did Trump know, and when did he know it?" No other Democratic senators have explicitly called for these steps so far....

Trump's attorneys have asserted that Trump was "horrified" by the violence at the Capitol and acted quickly to respond to it, claims that contradict recollections of numerous Trump allies and his own public statements on the day of the riots....
TV pundit: McCarthy, Tuberville, the Secret Service, others and even private citizens Dolt .45 and VP Q-tip could be subpoenaed. This may get really fun now!

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And the Dems fold like a cheap suit having a statement read into the record.

Fucking pussies, all of them.

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GoCubsGo wrote:
Sat Feb 13, 2021 12:59 pm
And the Dems fold like a cheap suit having a statement read into the record.

Fucking pussies, all of them.

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:?: Have they now abandoned the witnesses plan?
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Vrede too wrote:
Sat Feb 13, 2021 1:06 pm
GoCubsGo wrote:
Sat Feb 13, 2021 12:59 pm
And the Dems fold like a cheap suit having a statement read into the record.

Fucking pussies, all of them.

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:?: Have they now abandoned the witnesses plan?
Yep, closing arguments..

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Yep, closing arguments..

Fuckers.
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Maybe I need to take lessons from Neo.

The Dems had one chance to put this in the history books and they punted so we could "move on", presumably to address Covid and cabinet picks. Btw, the Senate is in recess next week.

They weren't going to change any trumpaloon's minds but ex president's approval numbers historically go up after they leave office and now they're making it easier for Cheetohead.

Pisses me off.
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Trump's lawyer's defense right now:

Raskin: Trump should be held responsible for inciting the inssurection

Trump's Laywer: What about the riots that happened a while back?

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There are two sets of rules in everything.
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GoCubsGo wrote:
Sat Feb 13, 2021 2:22 pm
Maybe I need to take lessons from Neo.

The Dems had one chance to put this in the history books and they punted so we could "move on", presumably to address Covid and cabinet picks. Btw, the Senate is in recess next week.

They weren't going to change any trumpaloon's minds but ex president's approval numbers historically go up after they leave office and now they're making it easier for Cheetohead.

Pisses me off.
They should have gone with the GA "perfect call" in addition to the charge they brought. No witnesses needed; it's a recorded call, speaks for itself, has resulted in a criminal investigation (after trump was impeached) which can't be blamed on "radical left Democrats." And it would only serve to buttress the evidence of the months long effort by trump and his cult to overturn the election. But then again, it's possible that GA would not have started their investigation if the House had initially put the GA call in their charge. Hard to judge nutjobs. But I feel certain everyone around here knows my sentiments.

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