Gun Legislation

[Boatrocker]

A massive, expensive collection of guns does not make one a lunatic. My brother has a small, but very eclectic and interesting collection of rifles and handguns, but he doesn't spout crazy shit about militias and blood of patriots and trees of liberty and 2nd Amendment remedies. Perhaps we need to revise definitions.
I build 1/35 scale models of WWII armored vehicles and my wife tells folks I'm a tank nut.

Anyhow, if that guy were really nutty, he'd not post such a pic, for fear that Obamer would come a take his guns.

[Wneglia]

Propaganda works

[O Really]

Propaganda does indeed work, which is why so many loons think "Obama is gonna take away our guns." If the NRA were the respectable organization it was 40 years ago, it would be touting the downturn in gun crime as a reason why "current laws are working" rather than scaring the village idiots.

[Wneglia]

Government Panics Over DIY Guns

[O Really]

I don't know about "panic" but I think this will turn interesting. What is a "gun" that might be protected by the Second Amendment, who is a "manufacturer" and how is freedom of speech involved, if it is, and how about public enterprise, patents, yada. But I suppose all those things might have been answered in the instances of "zip guns" which is pretty much a primitive version of this one.

[O Really]

http://www.citizen-times.com/article/20 ... mbush-cops

"Ralph Robert Warren III sprayed more than 20 bullets from a semiautomatic rifle as he gunned down his estranged wife and her parents while they stood in their driveway, authorities said Thursday.

Then he retreated to a knoll in a field off Howard Gap Road several miles away, setting more ammunition within arm’s reach in what law enforcement said was intended as an ambush."

A formerly "law-abiding citizen" except for minor issues - not counting that ugly temper that people saw in his abusive behaviour toward his wife - legally owns a Newtown style AR-15 with the big magazine and uses it to shoot three people in front of his kids. If any instance of domestic abuse could disqualify one for a firearm and if proper background checks actually were required, this guy might have had to try to kill his former family with something that would have given them a chance.

Of course, maybe if the mom had had a shotgun in the corner that the kids could get to, they could have shot him before he killed all the rest. Right. Makes a lot of sense, doesn't it?

[O Really]

19 wounded in Big Easy at Mothers' Day parade. Damn, those people need more guns. Of course, Louisiana is already in the top five or so of "gun friendly" states according to the gun ummm, "enthusiasts" and they have been buying guns left and right because of all the violence that doesn't seem to get better.

"Despite the fact that in 2012 New Orleans saw a slight decrease in the murder rate from 2011, it still ranks third on the list of America’s deadliest cities. There were 193 murders in 2012, or 53.5 murders for every 100,000 citizens. Over the years, New Orleans has continued to struggle with the use of illegal guns that has been typically associated with the pervasive problem of drug and gang crime in the city. Police Superintendent Ronal Serpas says that over 50% of those arrested for murder in 2012 “have already been arrested for illegally carrying or using a firearm."

(Hmm, maybe they should do a better job of issuing harsher sentences for those illegally carrying or using a firearm. Of course if they did that would attract the ire of the NRA and damage their "gun friendly" rep.)

[rstrong]

Apparently it's the anti-gun crowd that's responsible.

Google Results: Mother's Day parade "false flag"

[O Really]

Apparently it's the anti-gun crowd that's responsible.

Google Results: Mother's Day parade "false flag"

Yeppers. And from all the usual "reliable" sources, too.

[O Really]

Guy gets arrested, charged, but nobody was injured...

A Cleveland father was arrested after his 9-year-old daughter crashed a car into a tree when he let her drive in a Painesville Township parking lot on Sunday.

http://www.news-herald.com/articles/201 ... 936069.txt

But the Kentucky yayhoos, along with other negligent parents get off with an "opps" when their kid kills themselves or someone else with a gun. Why is that? Oh yeah, there is no "National Car Association" pumping millions into the purchase of lawmakers.

[Guest]

Send a fax to Sen. Burr (R-NC)

Already did. I asked him to support the 2nd Amendment. He did, he stayed on the side of The Constitution and voted against the liberal numb nuts.

[Guest]

Good sheep. You're still ignorant as to what the 2nd Amendment does and doesn't do, Mad (Chicken) American. Why do you want felons and the mentally ill to be armed?

I fully understand the 2nd Amendement. However, it appears that you do not understand that there are already laws prohibiting felons and mentally ill from owning firearms.

[Roland Deschain]

Good sheep. You're still ignorant as to what the 2nd Amendment does and doesn't do, Mad (Chicken) American. Why do you want felons and the mentally ill to be armed?

I fully understand the 2nd Amendement. However, it appears that you do not understand that there are already laws prohibiting felons and mentally ill from owning firearms.

You've proven your ignorance about the "the 2nd Amendement" (ironic sic) over and over, Mad American/Roland Deschain/Guest.

Yes, "there are already laws prohibiting felons and mentally ill from owning firearms". You and Sen. Burr (R-NC) oppose reasonable steps to help make them more effective. Why do you want felons and the mentally ill to be armed?

So existing laws that are not adequately enforced are excuses for additional laws that will also not be adequately enforced. Got it.

Yes, I made a couple of posts as a quest before registering. However, I still do not get your reference to a mad American.

[Ombudsman]

Good sheep. You're still ignorant as to what the 2nd Amendment does and doesn't do, Mad (Chicken) American. Why do you want felons and the mentally ill to be armed?

I fully understand the 2nd Amendement. However, it appears that you do not understand that there are already laws prohibiting felons and mentally ill from owning firearms.

You've proven your ignorance about the "the 2nd Amendement" (ironic sic) over and over, Mad American/Roland Deschain/Guest.

Yes, "there are already laws prohibiting felons and mentally ill from owning firearms". You and Sen. Burr (R-NC) oppose reasonable steps to help make them more effective. Why do you want felons and the mentally ill to be armed?

So existing laws that are not adequately enforced are excuses for additional laws that will also not be adequately enforced. Got it.

Yes, I made a couple of posts as a quest before registering. However, I still do not get your reference to a mad American.

Of course you do, but you don't want your boy Solar to know you're posting over here.

[Roland Deschain]

Difficult to enforce laws have often led to alternative strategies. History much? Why do you want felons and the mentally ill to be armed?

You're using the same exact IP address and have the same style, syntax and interests as Mad American. What's so difficult to "get" about that?

I don't want them armed. I fully support the laws already in place, they just need better enforcement.

Didn't know I had a "style", who is this mad american that you have determined I resemble in less than a dozen posts, and I'm sure there are a LOT of folks with the same IP/server depending on network set ups.

[Roland Deschain]

Good sheep. You're still ignorant as to what the 2nd Amendment does and doesn't do, Mad (Chicken) American. Why do you want felons and the mentally ill to be armed?

I fully understand the 2nd Amendement. However, it appears that you do not understand that there are already laws prohibiting felons and mentally ill from owning firearms.

You've proven your ignorance about the "the 2nd Amendement" (ironic sic) over and over, Mad American/Roland Deschain/Guest.

Yes, "there are already laws prohibiting felons and mentally ill from owning firearms". You and Sen. Burr (R-NC) oppose reasonable steps to help make them more effective. Why do you want felons and the mentally ill to be armed?

So existing laws that are not adequately enforced are excuses for additional laws that will also not be adequately enforced. Got it.

Yes, I made a couple of posts as a quest before registering. However, I still do not get your reference to a mad American.

Of course you do, but you don't want your boy Solar to know you're posting over here.

You are not making any sense at all and that is in two threads now.

[Roland Deschain]

Silly. That can only happen after the fact. Why do you want felons and the mentally ill to be able to easily buy guns whether they get popped later or not?

No, the laws that are in place are there in order to prevent purchases...I guess the better word to use is "application" not "enforcement". As for the rest of your nonsensical assumptions...whatever.

[Roland Deschain]

No, the laws that are in place are there in order to prevent purchases...I guess the better word to use is "application" not "enforcement"...

Wrong, as usual. They are only "there in order to prevent purchases" from licensed dealers. How is it that you who claim to be so expert are so ignorant about the gun debate?

Why do you want felons and the mentally ill to be able to easily buy guns whether they get popped later or not?

I have made no claim to be an expert. However, you have still not answered my question as to how more laws are going to make a difference when we already have laws in place.

[Roland Deschain]

Stating an understanding of the 2nd amendment is a far cry from claiming to be an expert. Funny thing is, I made that statement while pointing out your apparent lack of knowledge of existing law and yet you claim I am "ignorant".

[O Really]

It is illegal for most felons and some mentally ill to own firearms. That's not the point. You can't prevent those people from buying a gun if you can't check who's buying. We're not talking about illegally buying a gun on the street. That's illegal, too. We're talking about buying a gun legally because the seller isn't required to check to see if you're prohibited from owning one. Since many gun, ummm, "enthusiasts" like to jump from guns to something irrelevant, like cars, let's go there. Driving 100 mph on the interstate is illegal in all states. If a cop catches you, you'll get a ticket, or worse. If the cop sees you and ignores you, then that's poor enforcement, and the cop can get fired. But say the cop is out on the street, doing his/her job, but the National Speeders Association owns enough legislators to pass laws preventing the cops from using radar or any electronic speed detection instrument. Let's say the law lets the cop track an alleged speeder only by his/her own car, and that only from mile marker 281 to mile marker 350. I'd bet there would be a lot more drivers sneaking through the law at 100 mph than there would be if the cops had better tools.