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Mike Pompeo Claims Melting Sea Ice Could Create 'Opportunities for Trade' — and Draws Internet Ire



Hey Mike Pompeo, go tell people in FL and LA how great it is to be “at the forefront of opportunity and abundance” due to declining levels of sea ice.

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Saw this earlier today; pretty good.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/geo ... 23260.html

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Saw this earlier today; pretty good.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/geo ... 23260.html

Thanks.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ab4BRAQElw

If anyone finds a nonbleeped version, let us now.

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Grassroots Action Brings US to a Coal to Clean Energy Tipping Point

Our country has reached an amazing energy milestone, one that was made possible by thousands of local victories along the way, victories that just keep coming. In April, for the first time in history, the US is on track to produce more power from renewable energy than from coal....

Are any of you "freezing in the dark" yet?

The petition to the EPA reads:

"Stop censoring science on EPA.gov and provide Americans with the information we need to act on the climate crisis."

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This scholarly article explains a lot.
"We are all confident idiots"

https://psmag.com/social-justice/confident-idiots-92793

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Remember when the concern was over reaching 350?

Carbon dioxide levels hit landmark at 415 ppm, highest in human history

The past five years have been the warmest years since records began in the late 1800s, according to NASA and NOAA.

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"We don't know a planet like this," Eric Holthaus, a meteorologist and writer at Grist, an online environmental magazine, posted on Twitter....

Looking ahead, a study from the University of Michigan found that CO2 emissions could soar to levels not seen in 56 million years by the middle of next century....

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Most Humid Cities in the United States https://www.currentresults.com/Weather- ... cities.php

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Researchers Now Have Even More Proof That Air Pollution Can Cause Dementia
A Mother Jones investigation prompted the study that turned up the most convincing evidence to date.

Insects Must Be Saved to Prevent Collapse of Humanity, Top Scientist Warns

A leading scientist warned Tuesday that the rapid decline of insects around the world poses an existential threat to humanity and action must be taken to rescue them "while we still have time."

Anne Sverdrup-Thygeson, professor at the Norwegian University of Life Sciences and one of the world's top entomologists, said in an interview with The Guardian that the importance of insects to the planet should spur humans to take immediate action against one of the major causes of insect decline — the climate crisis....

Labor Champions a New Deal—with a Clean Environment and Good Jobs
And a trade policy that doesn’t reward offshoring factories to nations that don’t curtail pollution

Washington Commits to 100% Clean Energy and Other States May Follow Suit
At least six other states are considering similar legislation to fight climate change by shutting down coal power and ramping up renewable energy.

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Global Warming and Carbon Dioxide https://afa.net/the-stand/culture/2015/ ... n-dioxide/

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An Inconvenient Truth Al Gore Missed

In a recent interview with The Real News, actor and activist John Cusack made a simple but profoundly important point: “[Y]ou can’t separate climate justice and militarism’, he said,”… because the drones are going to follow the fresh water, and the soldiers are going to protect the oil, and then if things go on as they are, game over for the planet.”

There is ‘an inconvenient truth’ that didn’t make it into the 2006 documentary by that name featuring Al Gore. It is something rarely mentioned by most environmental and social justice activists and their organizations. Most labor leaders who seek a just transition to a sustainable energy system that does not make workers with fossil fuel-dependent jobs bare the social cost also remain silent.

The truth is that preventing climate change from inflicting cataclysmic damage to our ecosystem and threatening much of life on earth and civilization as we know it cannot be accomplished unless we also demilitarize our foreign policy, end interventionist wars and break the grip that both Big Carbon and the military-industrial complex have on our federal budget, foreign policy, economy and government....

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Remember when the concern was over reaching 350?

Carbon dioxide levels hit landmark at 415 ppm, highest in human history

Exxon Predicted 2019’s Ominous CO2 Milestone in 1982

... Internal memos unearthed in InsideClimate’s Pulitzer-winning 2015 investigation into the company revealed all sorts of solid science being done even as the oil giant sowed doubt in public....

It’s eerie seeing how well the company understood both climate science and the world’s patterns of economic growth built on the back of fossil fuels. Here’s that chart, annotated for ease of reading:


Red lines show where Exxon thought the world’s carbon dioxide levels and temperatures would be at around 2019.

The prediction is a pretty damn good one. The world is now about 1 degree Celsius (1.8 degrees Fahrenheit) warmer than it was and carbon dioxide levels are at 415 ppm. The estimate was part of Exxon’s “high case” scenario, which assumed fossil fuel use would quicken and that the world would be able to tap new reserves in the late 2000s from at the time unreachable shale gas. The memo also warned that the extra carbon dioxide would enhance the greenhouse effect and that an “increase in absorbed energy via this route would warm the earth’s surface causing changes in climate affecting atmospheric and ocean temperatures, rainfall patterns, soil moisture, and over centuries potentially melting the polar ice caps.”

Honestly, it gave me chills re-reading the memo 37 years later. The company clearly described all the horrors we’re facing now. The only thing its scientists got wrong was that what they called “potentially serious climate problems” wouldn’t emerge until the late 21st century. So much for that.

Prediction of the future from 1982 by @exxonmobil , along with data showing how it has actually evolved. Exxon's predictions were extremely accurate. #ExxonKnew @GeoffreySupran @NaomiOreskes

In a non-sociopathic hands, the chart should have been a warning that increasing fossil fuel production and use was putting the world in grave danger. But instead, it was something Exxon buried in internal documents as the company turned to questioning climate science in an effort to preserve its bottom line.

All of this is why the company and other oil majors are now facing a host of lawsuits for spending decades misleading the public and shareholders as well as calls for trying fossil fuel executives for crimes against humanity. Those decades of spreading denial are why we’re now facing a crisis and the need to rapidly drawdown emissions. Because the future Exxon charted back in 1982 is one we don’t want to be headed towards.

Is it extreme to say that Exxon is a proven environmental terrorist org. that should be dismantled?

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Well, in the big graph, their predictions are right on the money. Not sure if they can be termed eco terrorists; they are just a symptom of the problem. Demand for their products is what needs to change; tough sledding as Condoleeza Rice would say.

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Well, in the big graph, their predictions are right on the money. Not sure if they can be termed eco terrorists; they are just a symptom of the problem. Demand for their products is what needs to change; tough sledding as Condoleeza Rice would say.

The argument for ecoterrorism is that Exxon knew what was happening/going to happen, covered up that knowledge, discouraged scientific inquiry, stifled alternative energy, and actively promoted the product that was causing the harm. The lying AGW denier side that Exxon largely created and funded still has a huge impact on the debate. What would we say if a drug company or food producer did the same thing with a tainted item?

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Well, in the big graph, their predictions are right on the money. Not sure if they can be termed eco terrorists; they are just a symptom of the problem. Demand for their products is what needs to change; tough sledding as Condoleeza Rice would say.

The argument for ecoterrorism is that Exxon knew what was happening/going to happen, covered up that knowledge, discouraged scientific inquiry, stifled alternative energy, and actively promoted the product that was causing the harm. The lying AGW denier side that Exxon largely created and funded still has a huge impact on the debate. What would we say if a drug company or food producer did the same thing with a tainted item?

I get what you're saying, but even if Exxon had "sounded the alarm" and been outspoken about it I don't think it would have contributed to a massive decrease in the use of fossil fuels just because of all the other oil companies and associated industries. Plus, less developed countries would not have the ability to address the problem in ways the US maybe could. The internal combustion engine for cars has been around for over a hundred years, well before the rise of multinational oil companies, and there's all the shit made from plastics (a whole other environmental issue) and other goods that are made from petroleum derivatives. It's become pervasive. The only example I can think of is cigarettes; the tobacco industry suppressed the addiction and health issues and when they became generally known, smoking went from about 42% to about 14% of the US population. That's about a 33% decrease in spite of the tenfold cost in a pack of smokes. I'm not even convinced that Americans would decrease their use of gasoline if we had to pay what Japan and Europe pay for it (two or three times what we pay). If the US had a viable and all encompassing mass transit system (like Japan) that would certainly help reduce consumption of oil but I don't see that happening in our lifetime. Don't know what the solution is. And there's also the matter of what the countries of the Middle East would do since they are totally dependent on selling oil. It's a multi faceted problem which I don't feel will ever be addressed until it's too late for the environment. I don't mean to be an apologist for oil companies; just pointing out the octopus aspects of the issue.

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Global Sea Levels Could Rise by Much More Than Previously Predicted, According to New Study

Global sea levels could rise by almost 6ft by 2100 – twice as much as had previously been predicted – threatening major cities and displacing hundreds of millions of people, a study published Monday warned.

The upper limit for sea level rise by 2100 has previously been estimated between 1.7 and 3.2ft. – the range given in the fifth assessment report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), the leading international body for the assessment of climate change, in 2013.

But many scientists believe that was a conservative estimate. The rate of glacier melt in Greenland and Antartica is accelerating, and the authors of the report say current prediction models don’t account for significant uncertainties in how melting ice sheets could affect sea level rise....

We suck.

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I'm just glad that all of these Prairie and Midwest red state voters "know" that AGW is a hoax. Otherwise, these months of rotten weather would have been really bad.

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Record breaking, PBS:

900 tornadoes this season.
> 450 in last month.
300 in last week.

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Tornado warning . . . in NJ!

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Send Governor Cooper a message urging him to make North Carolina’s Climate Action Plan bold and ambitious enough to fight back against climate change.