Sedition

[Vrede too]

That was guaranteed over a year ago. Now, Liz is both doing the right thing and extracting what revenge she can before Jan.
https://crowdwisdom.live/politics/2022- ... ace-polls/
https://www.predictit.org/markets/detai ... e-election

Her only hope is huge numbers of Dems crossing over in the open primary, but she's otherwise been a pretty hardcore Repug for that to happen.

[O Really]

Her only hope is huge numbers of Dems crossing over in the open primary, but she's otherwise been a pretty hardcore Repug for that to happen.

It's Wyoming. Ten votes wouldn't help.

[Vrede too]

Her only hope is huge numbers of Dems crossing over in the open primary, but she's otherwise been a pretty hardcore Repug for that to happen.

It's Wyoming. Ten votes wouldn't help.

Laramie and Jackson aren't bad.

[Vrede too]

Jan. 6 panelists: Enough evidence uncovered to indict Trump

Guesses as to whether milquetoast Garland indicts or gets a grand jury to? Maybe it's wishful thinking, but a bipartisan House committee is a powerful thing. I'll say 60-40 that Garland goes for it.

[neoplacebo]

I will guess 60-40 Garland doesn't indict trump but i will guess 80-20 that Fulton County GA will.

[billy.pilgrim]

I will guess 60-40 Garland doesn't indict trump but i will guess 80-20 that Fulton County GA will.

I'm inclined to agree.

[GoCubsGo]

Yep.

[Vrede too]

I will guess 60-40 Garland doesn't indict trump but i will guess 80-20 that Fulton County GA will.

I'm inclined to agree.

I support indictment, but Garland MAY have some legit reasons for choosing not to.

Despite overwhelming evidence of guilt, the DOJ has a tough decision around prosecuting Trump

As many of us watched the first public congressional hearings from the Jan. 6 committee investigating the insurrection last Thursday, we saw the seven members carefully lay out how they intended to prove former President Donald Trump’s guilt in attempting to overturn the 2020 presidential elections. And even though they will continue to reveal more evidence in the coming days, the question that looms is whether or not Attorney General Merrick Garland’s Justice Department has the guts to actually prosecute Trump....

But following leads and taking notes during the House select committee hearings is one thing—prosecuting a U.S. president is a whole other beast.

Barbara McQuade, an NBC legal analyst and former U.S. attorney warned that filing criminal charges against Trump in his attempt to subvert the elections “will very likely spark civil unrest, and maybe even civil war.” However, “not charging [Trump] is even worse because not charging means you failed to hold someone criminally accountable who tried to subvert our democracy,” she explained....

The other issue Garland is likely facing is the ethics of whether or not prosecuting Trump is in the best interest of the nation—an issue that essentially pits the two parties against each other.

“I don’t think we want to be the kind of country where this happens often,” McQuade told NBC News.

Joyce Vance, a former U.S. attorney and NBC News legal analyst said, “Prosecuting Trump destabilizes the country more than it puts it upright.” ...

Tough choices. However, the bipartisan House committee has already weighed these issues and decided that prosecution is worth it. We'll see.

[GoCubsGo]

The case and evidence seems so obvious, a conviction not so much.


Can anyone truly imagine the circus?


All's it takes is one hidden trumpaloon to hang a jury and you're stuck with a very, very publicized show trial that both sides would use to harden their positions.

[Vrede too]

The case and evidence seems so obvious, a conviction not so much.

Can anyone truly imagine the circus?

All's it takes is one hidden trumpaloon to hang a jury and you're stuck with a very, very publicized show trial that both sides would use to harden their positions.

That, too, will probably be one of Garland's considerations. We sure didn't gain much from the impeachments that couldn't have been done with other public savaging. If he chooses not to prosecute I'll wait for the explanation before deciding if I'm pissed off at him.

One option might be to prosecute underlings while leaving TFG as an unindicted co-conspirator. Most of the same benefits, lessened Trumpette reaction. We'll see.

[GoCubsGo]

One option might be to prosecute underlings while leaving TFG as an unindicted co-conspirator. Most of the same benefits, lessened Trumpette reaction. We'll see.

Bad choices. If Rudy or Sidney Powell are convicted will anyone really care? Then trump screams witch hunt and they were railroaded.

[O Really]

I think Trump has to go down hard or every Ron, Greg and Glen will keep doing exactly the same in total disregard for the law, the courts, and basic human decency. Sure he'd be a martyr for his cultists, but it would be a sharp legal lesson for everyone wanting to follow his formula.

[neoplacebo]

I think everybody involved should be put in the witless protection program and never be heard from again. The GQP could have made it so that trump could never be elected to office again but they blew it. Witless protection program is the only course left.

[billy.pilgrim]

Illegal?

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-l ... ral-2022-6

"Clark and Trump were working to try and replace Rosen with Clark, who offered to investigate the baseless claims of election fraud — including Clark's bizarre assertion that China had used thermostats to change ballots in the election — in an apparent attempt to overturn the election results.

As the Congressional committee investigating the January 6 insurrection now zeroes in on the role Clark played in Trump's efforts to stay in power, witnesses offered the panel new details about a January 3, 2021 meeting in the Oval Office between the president and top DOJ officials in which Clark reportedly made his final bid for attorney general."

[Vrede too]

I think Trump has to go down hard or every Ron, Greg and Glen will keep doing exactly the same in total disregard for the law, the courts, and basic human decency. Sure he'd be a martyr for his cultists, but it would be a sharp legal lesson for everyone wanting to follow his formula.

This fascism and coups expert agrees with you.

Trump might have to be prosecuted to save American democracy, an expert on authoritarianism argues

Long, but fascinating and frightening to me. She also trashes DeSantis at the end.

[billy.pilgrim]

I think Trump has to go down hard or every Ron, Greg and Glen will keep doing exactly the same in total disregard for the law, the courts, and basic human decency. Sure he'd be a martyr for his cultists, but it would be a sharp legal lesson for everyone wanting to follow his formula.

This fascism and coups expert agrees with you.

Trump might have to be prosecuted to save American democracy, an expert on authoritarianism argues

Long, but fascinating and frightening to me. She also trashes DeSantis at the end.

It seems obvious.

Where's Merrick?

[Vrede too]

It seems obvious.

Where's Merrick?

6 in 10 Americans say Trump should be charged for Jan. 6 riot: POLL

... 58% of Americans think Trump should be charged with a crime for his role in the riot. That's up slightly from late April, before the hearings began, when an ABC News/Washington Post poll found that 52% of Americans thought the former president should be charged....

Among self-described independents, 62% think Trump should be charged and 61% think he bears a "great deal" or a "good amount" of responsibility....

On Friday, Trump lambasted the hearing, calling the panel "con artists," while continuing to air false claims about the 2020 election.

"There's no clearer example of the menacing spirit that has devoured the American left than the disgraceful performance being staged by the unselect committee," Trump said at a conference hosted by the Faith and Freedom Coalition in Nashville, Tennessee....

Overall, 60% of Americans think the committee is conducting a fair and impartial investigation while 38% say it is not, the new ABC News/Ipsos poll found....

TRE45ON sure cries a lot.

[GoCubsGo]

It seems obvious.
Where's Merrick?

Sadly, as I've stated before even if charged I'm increasingly pessimistic that he'll actually be convicted.

[O Really]

Guys getting pilloried, losing jobs and reputations over maybe-true questionable 20-year old claims.
Entertainment people getting booted off their shows for a rude inappropriate comment.
Senator booted over decades old joking picture
Demands to "lock 'er up" over sloppy security practices.
And 40ish% of people think Trump, who has been proven beyond all doubt, reasonable or not, to have committed offenses that no other politician in US history has survived should not be prosecuted?

"Ah but ain't that America for you and me
Ain't that America somethin' to see baby
Ain't that America home of the free, yeah
Little pink houses for you and me"

[billy.pilgrim]

Guys getting pilloried, losing jobs and reputations over maybe-true questionable 20-year old claims.
Entertainment people getting booted off their shows for a rude inappropriate comment.
Senator booted over decades old joking picture
Demands to "lock 'er up" over sloppy security practices.
And 40ish% of people think Trump, who has been proven beyond all doubt, reasonable or not, to have committed offenses that no other politician in US history has survived should not be prosecuted?

"Ah but ain't that America for you and me
Ain't that America somethin' to see baby
Ain't that America home of the free, yeah
Little pink houses for you and me"

"So it goes"

“Poo-tee-weet?"