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Vrede wrote:I highlighted the "up to", which was missing from your "faces 107 years", I wasn't quibbling over 107 vs. 105.
Point taken. And thanks for the slack on the number goof. But I still say most of the media carrying a story about Brown intentionally gave the impression that he could actually get a 105 year sentence, and using that impression to paint a picture of a government gone wild. Without regard to whether the government has gone wild with Brown, I still find that disingenuous, and off-putting with regard to my building much significant outrage for him.

I don't know much about most of the security firms he mentioned, but I do know Blackwater, and I don't like them. Let's say he became aware of data that clearly showed an unlawful relationship between Blackwater and some politicians (let's call them "Cheneys") and, knowing the data was illegally obtained, still decided to publish it in his NYTimes column. I'd call him a "journalist" who had conducted an investigation and was reporting his findings for the betterment of the US. But let's add a few parameters. Let's say that included in the information that incriminated Blackwater and the "Cheneys",was information about a Blackwater assignment that as a result of his publication, ended up with a Blackwater guy (who had just been doing his job) drawn and quartered and strung up burned on a bridge. I'm thinking maybe he'd have more responsibility than just an "oh well, collateral damage." Is a bit of government corruption worth getting people killed over? Does it make a difference how many people or how much corruption?

In Brown's case he may have had noble intent. I don't know, but let's say he did. But he also had reckless disregard for the people affected by all that identity theft gold mine he publicized.

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Vrede wrote:We imprison more of our people than anywhere else on the planet,
Maybe we could farm some out to the Netherlands, since they don't seem to be using their capacity. Of course, the Netherlands doesn't jail people for grass, prostitution, and there aren't all that many guns around. Damn, how do those people stay alive without a gun in their pocket?
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/06 ... 03721.html

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Oh, it's even better than that:

Your 5th Amendment rights protect you from being forced to hand over your password to the authorities. Your fingerprints however are not protected this way. The authorities can simply fingerprint you and make a copy, or hold your hand to your phone.

For security, fingerprint readers (and other biometrics) are a joke. MythBusters showed how trivial it is to fool fingerprint readers, even those that also check for pulse, body heat, and sweat.

German Interior Minister Wolfgang Schauble was pushing for biometric identity cards. So Chaos Computer Club hackers lifted his fingerprints off a glass and published 10,000 copies of them on acetate as a magazine insert. A fingerprint is a password that you can never change, even when compromised.

A couple months ago there was a news item about a group that created a fingerprint scanner using high resolution cameras; it could read the fingerprints of someone simply walking past within something like 30 feet. Laser scanners can scan and store your retina patterns without you knowing it.

During the G20 Summit in Russia last month, it's not unreasonable to assume that Russian intelligence agencies were quietly adding the fingerprints, retina scans and DNA of all the international leaders, aides and security staff to a database. You never know when it might come in handy.

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Vrede wrote:My Detainment Story or: How I learned to Stop Feeling Safe in My Own Country and Hate Border Patrol -- Sarah Abdurrahman

Laura Poitras

Duane Kerzic Suing Homeland Security
Demand That Attorney General Holder Stop the Harassment of Journalists (petition)

U.S. journalists should be able to enter the country without fear of detention or intimidation.

But government authorities have been stopping journalists, whistleblowers and many other travelers on a regular basis, seizing their electronic devices and examining them without search warrants.

NPR's On the Media just reported that one of its journalists, Sarah Abdurrahman, was detained with her family at the U.S. border in Niagara Falls for six hours without explanation.

Government officials have detained journalist and filmmaker Laura Poitras more than 40 times at U.S. borders. They’ve interrogated her, seized her laptops and cameras for weeks at a time and denied her access to a lawyer.

Photojournalist Duane Kerzic has been detained and had his laptop searched too, and now he’s part of a lawsuit filed by the National Press Photographers Association.

This government intimidation has got to stop.

Tell Attorney General Eric Holder to Ensure Safe Passage for Journalists.
I believe this is the regime you naive people supported and believed. As the right Reverend Wright said, "Chickens coming home to roost".

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I believe this is the regime you naive people supported and believed. As the right Reverend Wright said, "Chickens coming home to roost".

How so? What legislation has the Obama administration passed that has made all this possible?

AFAIK most, if not all the legislation that has made this possible was passed under the Bush administration, but hey, I'm open to listening.

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Vrede wrote:I'm not sure legislation is relevant, they've always had carte blanche at borders. It's what they do with it that matters.

Yeah, my bad, the subject has diverged a bit from the original topic.

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bannination wrote:
Supsalemgr wrote:
I believe this is the regime you naive people supported and believed. As the right Reverend Wright said, "Chickens coming home to roost".

How so? What legislation has the Obama administration passed that has made all this possible?

AFAIK most, if not all the legislation that has made this possible was passed under the Bush administration, but hey, I'm open to listening.
Banni you have inadvertently just hit on the whole issue with the Obama regime. They have not passed any legislation, but have abused current laws. There was none of this kind of concerns being posted until the Obama crowd took over. Thank you for confirming my point.

Now all y'all have a nice day. See ya.

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Supsalemgr wrote:
bannination wrote:
Supsalemgr wrote:
I believe this is the regime you naive people supported and believed. As the right Reverend Wright said, "Chickens coming home to roost".

How so? What legislation has the Obama administration passed that has made all this possible?

AFAIK most, if not all the legislation that has made this possible was passed under the Bush administration, but hey, I'm open to listening.
Banni you have inadvertently just hit on the whole issue with the Obama regime. They have not passed any legislation, but have abused current laws. There was none of this kind of concerns being posted until the Obama crowd took over. Thank you for confirming my point.

Now all y'all have a nice day. See ya.

LAURA POITRAS: Right. Well, I mean, I’ve been stopped at the border since 2006, since I started working on a series of films looking at U.S. post-9/11

Right............

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Here's a good example of why I poopoo the NSA "scandal." Without regard to whether NSA is capable of abusing their authority, and without regard to whether the law that allows NSA to do the work they do is reasonable, I think in the overall scheme of things they're not much of a threat to the average citizen. These guys, on the other hand, are...
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-576046 ... picks=true

(Hackers crack major data firms including LexisNexis and D&B and sell information to ID thieves)

And I had to read CNET to find out about it. No harumphing from WaPo, no trumpeting from NYT.
It's like standing in a lightening storm on the golf course, waving your metal club around in the hope of scaring off any alligators that might be in the water hazard. The gators are real, but they aren't likely to bother you. The lightning, on the other hand... kills about 24,000 around the world each year and injures about 240,000. ('gators have killed about 20-something since 1970)

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http://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/30/us/ns ... hpt=ibu_c2

NSA mines facebook for connections. --- DUH --

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Big brother is watching you.... and throwing you in Guantanamo.

"You go in and you get some intelligence ... and [Special Ops forces] kill 27, 30, 40 people, whatever, and they capture seven or eight," U.S. Army Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson (Ret.), who served as Secretary of State Colin Powell's chief of staff (2002-05), told Scahill. "Then you find out that the intelligence was bad and you killed a bunch of innocent people and you have a bunch of innocent people on your hands, so you stuff 'em in Guantanamo. No one ever knows anything about that."

Yup, nothing to worry about folks.

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Vrede wrote:If you hang out with 27, 30, 40, whatever, innocent people you deserve what you get.
Suddenly it makes so much sense why they can't shut down Guantanamo. Not that most of us that are paying attention had our suspicions that something like this was going on anyway.

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Thanks again, Edward Snowden.
US enemies around the world join you in appreciation and applause.

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lol. yea right!

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Vrede wrote: Are you comfortable with the NSA collecting your address book and all that's in it?
If it were a paper book, kept in my house, or on a drive kept totally offline, no.
But if it's data that I knowingly and willingly toss out on the internet, available to one degree or another to service providers and who knows how many others who may store the data in places unknown, or give/sell to whoever, I'd say it's fair game. They intercept data. That's what they do.

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Well, they aren't intended as a joke, but they are pretty much a technicality. Their is attorney/client privilege, which as you know prevents the court from requiring the attorney to disclose information s/he got from the client, but even that's not absolute and has to be proactively protected. There is also a duty to protect information considered to be confidential. But emails and electronic records can be subpeonaed, and not all information one gets from a client is necessarily confidential in the first place.

A "paper book" is what my wife uses to back up her phone.

But of course they lie, they're spies, doncha know?

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I don't know if the NSA gets all that from me, since all my data is on the firm's servers and we've got a bunch of IT guys who deal with security. So if I do my part and don't leave stuff lying around or sent out on my personal accounts or on public wi-fi, for example, I don't worry about whether NSA finds my address book. Now, I realize you asked a hypothetical question and I gave you a practical answer, but that's somewhat the key to our different perspective.

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O Really wrote:I don't know if the NSA gets all that from me, since all my data is on the firm's servers and we've got a bunch of IT guys who deal with security. So if I do my part and don't leave stuff lying around or sent out on my personal accounts or on public wi-fi, for example, I don't worry about whether NSA finds my address book. Now, I realize you asked a hypothetical question and I gave you a practical answer, but that's somewhat the key to our different perspective.
Doesn't matter, your phone has a pretty high chance of having a back door for the NSA. It's a nightmare for your security guys, and for the rest of us as well. For all of us in the IT field it's a nightmare. How do we secure our data when we know there are holes built in by the government?



http://www.zdnet.com/new-claims-nsa-can ... 000020370/

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http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013 ... ussia?lite

Snowden says he didn't take any copies of the stolen data to Russia. "He also asserted that he was able to protect the documents from China’s spies because he was familiar with that nation’s intelligence abilities, saying that as an N.S.A. contractor he had targeted Chinese operations and had taught a course on Chinese cybercounterintelligence.
“There’s a zero percent chance the Russians or Chinese have received any documents,” he said."

Right. That's the ticket. :roll:

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