Iran War

[GoCubsGo]

Bebe told DonOld to stuff it.

This should be interesting.

[Vrede too]

Bebe told DonOld to stuff it.

This should be interesting.

https://x.com/MeidasTouch/status/2063796671499338051

No matter whose "fault" it is, more reason for Iran not to trust US "deals". We've been screwing them since 1953.

[Vrede too]

This World Leader Took on Trump Over Iran — and It’s Paying Off

... the attention on Spain's prime minister is driven by the fact that the head of a country better known for its beaches and nightlife has lately become the unlikely face of Europe's opposition to the war in Iran and, more broadly, to U.S. President Donald Trump.

When the U.S. and Israel began their attack on Iran in late February, Spain's prime minister stood out as the sole EU leader to openly condemn the military operation. In contrast to figures like Macron and Merz, who opted for a cautious, hedged reaction to the conflict, Sánchez's denunciation of the "illegitimate" aggression was unequivocally blunt.

So was Washington's reaction to the Spaniard's criticism. Sánchez's decision to bar U.S. warplanes from using jointly operated bases and the country's airspace infuriated Trump. Calling Spain "terrible" and "unfriendly," the president threatened to cut off all trade relations with Madrid, and later suggested the country should be booted from NATO.

, as usual.

By singling out Sánchez, the White House inadvertently helped turn Spain's isolated opposition to the war into a position embraced by nearly all of Europe. In response to the threats, EU leaders scrambled to express support for their colleague in Madrid — and, emboldened, joined him in condemning the attacks on Iran.

In the span of just a few months, Spain's prime minister went from being an outlier in Europe to the EU's moral leader.

"Spain was never alone," said Spanish Foreign Minister José Manuel Albares, a longtime Sánchez ally, in an interview. "We were simply first, leading so that others could follow behind."

Opps.

... Spain's limited trade relations with the U.S. means the country is shielded from Trump's tariff threats, and it is also geographically distant from potential military threats. The country is even comparatively immune from Iran-related energy shocks, thanks to a renewable energy boom spearheaded by Sánchez that has earned plaudits from the rest of Europe.

Smart.

... At a summit of global mayors in Madrid last April, municipal leaders from around the world cheered after Sánchez gave a speech in defense of open cities that embrace migrants and diversity.

"He's a rockstar, he's exactly what the world needs: a progressive who isn't afraid of Trump," said an American municipal official who I agreed not to name because of his concerns that federal funding for his city could be jeopardized by a perceived criticism of the U.S. president.

... Following Hamas' Oct. 7, 2023 attacks, in which some 1,200 people were killed in Israel, Spain's prime minister made headlines by speaking out against the military operations in Gaza, describing them as "genocide." The stance led Israeli Foreign Minister Gideon Sa'ar to label him "a disgrace to Spain," but boosted Sánchez's standing domestically.

... Opposition to Trump's policies have similarly benefitted Sánchez. Spaniards overwhelmingly backed the prime minister when he rebuffed the U.S. president's push to increase NATO's defense spending targets and refused to ramp up Madrid's military expenditures. However, it's Sánchez's stance against the war in Iran that really resonated with Spaniards, who are among the Europeans most opposed to the operation.

In recent POLITICO polling, 56 percent of Spanish respondents said they strongly disapprove of the offensive, and 43 percent said Madrid should publicly oppose the military operation and push for an end to the conflict. And a majority of Spanish respondents — 51 percent — also said Washington poses a "threat" to Europe, the largest proportion of the six EU countries polled.

... "Over here we had the advantage of seeing Hillary [Clinton] and others fail, of seeing that saying things like 'Trump is a liar' isn't enough to stop these people," he said. "You have to fight. Left-wing leaders are elected to fight — inequality, injustice, the big guys that make our society worse."

... According to (chief of staff Diego) Rubio, the fundamental difference between Spain's prime minister and the U.S. president is that while neither backs down from a fight, "Sánchez never insults, never attacks people's families."

GoSpaniardsGo!

Since coming to power in 2018, the prime minister's outspoken defense of progressive ideas have made him an outlier in an EU that has drifted to the right.

Out of the bloc's 27 heads of government, Sánchez is one of the only three center-left prime ministers currently in power. The other two are Maltese leader Robert Abela, and Denmark's Mette Frederiksen, who has faced Trump's wrath over her refusal to give in to his annexationist designs on Greenland.

Arguably, Sánchez's clash with Trump has made him less isolated within the bloc.

At last March's summit of EU leaders in Brussels, heads of government from all political backgrounds sided with the Spaniard and adopted meeting conclusions rebuking Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's attacks on Iran. Coalescing around Sánchez, they pointedly called for "full respect of international law by all parties, including the principles of the United Nations Charter and international humanitarian law."

... When voters last went to the polls, in the summer of 2023, the Socialist leader stoked fears of a coalition government made up of the center-right People's Party and the far-right Vox group. That scenario spooked electors into giving left-wing groups better than expected results, and Sánchez a path to remain in power.

This time around, he could repeat the strategy by focusing voters' attention on France, where the far-right National Rally party is projected to sweep next spring's elections. Many expect Sánchez to urge Spaniards to keep him in government by warning Madrid could go the way of Paris.

... Sánchez, once a peripheral figure in continental affairs, has become one of Europe's most closely watched leaders. And as the jostling reporters at EU summits make clear, the world is now paying attention.

GoSánchezGo Hero.

[Whack9]

Proposed Iran-U.S. deal would reopen Hormuz strait and lift oil sanctions, Iran state media says

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/06/12/iran-us ... tions.html

The 14-point document dictates that final negotiations will not begin until the release of half of Iran’s frozen funds, the suspension of Iran’s oil sanctions, and the lifting of the naval blockade, the Mehr News Agency reported.

All American forces would need to withdraw from Iran, and the U.S. and its allies, would need to present reconstruction plans for Iran worth at least $300 billion, according to the report.

Nothing about no nuclear weapons. Also - pallets full of cash! Remember when they complained about Obama sending Iran unfrozen funds? Not mentioned in this article, but I believe this 14 point peace plan includes the release of half of Irans frozen funds

Sounds like if this deal is agreed to its effectively a US capitulation?

Headline 5 months from now: US and Iran on the verge of a deal. Could come as early as Sunday.

[supesalemgr2]

Proposed Iran-U.S. deal would reopen Hormuz strait and lift oil sanctions, Iran state media says

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/06/12/iran-us ... tions.html

The 14-point document dictates that final negotiations will not begin until the release of half of Iran’s frozen funds, the suspension of Iran’s oil sanctions, and the lifting of the naval blockade, the Mehr News Agency reported.

All American forces would need to withdraw from Iran, and the U.S. and its allies, would need to present reconstruction plans for Iran worth at least $300 billion, according to the report.

Nothing about no nuclear weapons. Also - pallets full of cash! Remember when they complained about Obama sending Iran unfrozen funds? Not mentioned in this article, but I believe this 14 point peace plan includes the release of half of Irans frozen funds

Sounds like if this deal is agreed to its effectively a US capitulation?

Headline 5 months from now: US and Iran on the verge of a deal. Could come as early as Sunday.

I expect another false alarm. I am somewhat puzzled Trump keeps going down this road.

[neoplacebo]

I am firmly in the "not puzzled" camp because I am quite sure trump has no clue what he's doing or how to do it.

[GoCubsGo]

I expect another false alarm. I am somewhat puzzled Trump keeps going down this road.

Hmmmm, let's see.

After all it's only about the 40th time he's done this.



Oops, lost my temper again. This time I really screwed the pooch by threatening a land invasion.

What to do.....

It's almost the weekend and I've got my own personal national celebration in the backyard, that damn international soccer tournament is starting, supposed to go to the G7 thingy (wtf good is that? Don't know but if I invade they're gonna give me a lot of shit) on Monday.

OK, let's announce peace again. It all goes away for a few days and I can get a bump out of the stock market too!

Better let my friends know first!


That clear it up Supes?

[Vrede too]

Hmmmm, let's see.

After all it's only about the 40th time he's done this.

https://x.com/trump_repost/status/2065047954939940931

Oops, lost my temper again. This time I really screwed the pooch by threatening a land invasion.

What to do.....

It's almost the weekend and I've got my own personal national celebration in the backyard, that damn international soccer tournament is starting, supposed to go to the G7 thingy (wtf good is that? Don't know but if I invade they're gonna give me a lot of shit) on Monday.

OK, let's announce peace again. It all goes away for a few days and I can get a bump out of the stock market too!

Better let my friends know first!


That clear it up Supes?

A graphic representation of Moron in Chief policy is helpful.




Then,
TACO!

[GoCubsGo]

Even the sickophants are catching on.

[GoCubsGo]

My bad, only 39 times.

[O Really]

Sound familiar?

In George Orwell's 1984, constant war is an engineered tool of control rather than a geopolitical necessity. The Party maintains a state of perpetual warfare to consume surplus industrial production without raising the general standard of living, ensuring the hierarchical society of elites and impoverished masses remains perfectly intact.

The necessity of this perpetual conflict is outlined in Emmanuel Goldstein’s forbidden book, The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism. The core reasons for constant war include:

Economic Control: If the massive industrial machinery produced wealth that was distributed among the citizens, everyone would become relatively educated and comfortable. The war machine consumes this surplus—keeping the population perpetually on the brink of starvation and preoccupied with basic survival.

Preservation of Hierarchy: A high-tech, hierarchical society can only survive if the masses are ignorant and impoverished. By keeping citizens focused on an existential external threat, the ruling class eliminates the conditions for rebellion.

Psychological Manipulation: Constant war creates the perfect atmosphere for mass hysteria, blind patriotism, and unyielding obedience to Big Brother.

Rewriting History: Constant shifting of war alliances and frontlines provides an ongoing mechanism for the Ministry of Truth to rewrite history, proving the Party is always right and all-powerful.Ultimately, the Party’s war is not meant to be won; it is meant to be continuous. The slogan "War is Peace" operates on the reality that an external enemy unifies the domestic populace, preserving the fragile internal peace of the regime.

[supesalemgr2]

I expect another false alarm. I am somewhat puzzled Trump keeps going down this road.

Hmmmm, let's see.

After all it's only about the 40th time he's done this.



Oops, lost my temper again. This time I really screwed the pooch by threatening a land invasion.

What to do.....

It's almost the weekend and I've got my own personal national celebration in the backyard, that damn international soccer tournament is starting, supposed to go to the G7 thingy (wtf good is that? Don't know but if I invade they're gonna give me a lot of shit) on Monday.

OK, let's announce peace again. It all goes away for a few days and I can get a bump out of the stock market too!

Better let my friends know first!


That clear it up Supes?

I think we essentially agree.

[Vrede too]

My bad, only 39 times.

No matter, ABC this morning says it's 46 times.

[GoCubsGo]

No matter, ABC this morning says it's 46 times.

Much like the weather.

Just had to wait a couple of minutes.

[bannination]

Sound familiar?

In George Orwell's 1984, constant war is an engineered tool of control rather than a geopolitical necessity. The Party maintains a state of perpetual warfare to consume surplus industrial production without raising the general standard of living, ensuring the hierarchical society of elites and impoverished masses remains perfectly intact.

The necessity of this perpetual conflict is outlined in Emmanuel Goldstein’s forbidden book, The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism. The core reasons for constant war include:

Economic Control: If the massive industrial machinery produced wealth that was distributed among the citizens, everyone would become relatively educated and comfortable. The war machine consumes this surplus—keeping the population perpetually on the brink of starvation and preoccupied with basic survival.

Preservation of Hierarchy: A high-tech, hierarchical society can only survive if the masses are ignorant and impoverished. By keeping citizens focused on an existential external threat, the ruling class eliminates the conditions for rebellion.

Psychological Manipulation: Constant war creates the perfect atmosphere for mass hysteria, blind patriotism, and unyielding obedience to Big Brother.

Rewriting History: Constant shifting of war alliances and frontlines provides an ongoing mechanism for the Ministry of Truth to rewrite history, proving the Party is always right and all-powerful.Ultimately, the Party’s war is not meant to be won; it is meant to be continuous. The slogan "War is Peace" operates on the reality that an external enemy unifies the domestic populace, preserving the fragile internal peace of the regime.

[GoCubsGo]

To be signed on Friday, what could go wrong?

[Vrede too]

To be signed on Friday, what could go wrong?

https://x.com/svdate/status/2066274684153258152

To begin with,
Mine clearing could take weeks;
Nuclear issues are not resolved;
$$$;
NuttyYahoo is refusing to play along in Lebanon.

[GoCubsGo]

To begin with,
Mine clearing could take weeks;
Nuclear issues are not resolved;
$$$;
NuttyYahoo is refusing to play along in Lebanon.

First backtrack didn't tale long.

This Great Deal will bring Peace and Security to the whole Region. Many presidents have tried to make Peace with Iran, and all have failed before me. The Leaders of the Region have, for the first time, found a President who can help them achieve real Peace. With the opening of the Strait upon the signing of the Deal on Friday, for purposes of mine removal, oil will flow on both ends again for the Region, and the World! President DONALD J. TRUMP

[supesalemgr2]

No question this deal is one that has to be very tentative. Why? The Iranians are involved.

A big question to be answered is what will be Trump's response WHEN the Iranians test Trump?

[Vrede too]

First backtrack didn't take long.

This Great Deal will bring Peace and Security to the whole Region. Many presidents have tried to make Peace with Iran, and all have failed before me. The Leaders of the Region have, for the first time, found a President who can help them achieve real Peace. With the opening of the Strait upon the signing of the Deal on Friday, for purposes of mine removal, oil will flow on both ends again for the Region, and the World! President DONALD J. TRUMP

https://x.com/trump_repost/status/2066287378361397388

TACO!

Help me out here, I have a typical American short memory. Wasn't oil flowing "on both ends again for the Region, and the World!" 7 weeks ago before Moron Don launched this War of Choice?