Or IF it goes anywhere. An obligatory lawsuit or 20 like this would only be a surprise if they didn't happen, regardless of any hypothetical merits. That's today's political process.Wneglia wrote:It will be interesting to see where this goes.
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My guess is it goes down in flames. But the court isn't going to toss it and take the heat for "legislating from the bench." They'll let it go to trial. Then it will go down in flames.
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So I'm wondering why people talk about the "young healthy" group that might not see a need for medical insurance. Why would any rational person think that being "young and healthy" is some shield against medical expenses? If they do, I've got a story or so for them. I was once "young and healthy" when I broke a leg playing backyard football and later took a "Christopher Reeve" type dumping from a horse. Better luck, no paralysis, fortunately. My daughter was "young and healthy" for about a year until she got leukemia, and my first wife was "young and healthy" until she got ovarian cancer at age 31. Why would anyone think they don't need medical insurance just because they don't have the chronic conditions associated with age? Idiots.
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Thank you O Really for acknowledging what my post was about. Now Obama is backing off on using Obamacare. No problem to me since it has become somewhat toxic. It is the correct political decision as hypocritical as it might be. However, hypocrisy is a truly bipartisan affliction.O Really wrote:Super may be referring to a speech (maybe more than one), when Obama acknowledged that the Republicans intended the term "Obamacare" to be derogatory, but he has no problem having his name on it. Although that would seem to be a deflating response, I think part of the problem all along has been that the Republicans have been allowed to lead the dialogue. The Dems, including Obama, should have been using "ACA" and doing a much better job of explaining how it affects people (and believe me, it's not rocket surgery - it's just insurance and can be explained without jargon and scary stuff like "death panels")
On your subsequent post about the under 30 group opting out. They are all "bullet proof". Just the nature of the beast. Paying health insurance premiums is way down the priority list. Forcing them to buy is not a winner for whoever is doing the forcing. From a political standpoint Obamacare is a winner for the GOP if they don't screw it up. What Cruz and Lee did was not smart and they gave Obama a gift. Right now, the smart thing for the GOP to do is just get out of the way and let the program unfold.
Now everyone have a good day.
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OR.....they allowed his own overinflated ego back him into a corner that he can not get out of. Either way, if the GOP will stay out of the way the avalanche of failure will bury obama and the dems.Supsalemgr wrote: What Cruz and Lee did was not smart and they gave Obama a gift.
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So, how does Obama feel about all of the problems...
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NASA has successfully tested a broadband communications system that’s built into the lunar atmosphere explorer probe. It sends data to and from the moon at the rate of 622 megabits per second. To the moon and back in a second. In a related story, the ObamaCare website is still down.
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Hey, we're using the same standards that Americans contractors use for Canadian government projects.Vrede wrote:Was NASA's system contracted out to Canadians?
The ACA web site meets or exceeds the on-time, on spec and reliability standard set by the Lockheed Martin F-35. And far exceeds the on-time and on spec standard set by the Sikorsky Cyclone. (Set to be delivered starting in 2008, the latest Sikorsky promise is for deliveries to start in 2015.)

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Jay Leno sez that they the administration should get the NSA to run the new ObamaCare WebSite. All you have to do is put in your name, and they already have all the information on you that they need.
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The Obamacare computer debacle could always be worse...Vrede wrote:indago wrote:Jay Leno sez that they the administration should get the NSA to run the new ObamaCare WebSite. All you have to do is put in your name, and they already have all the information on you that they need.Did I beat Jay to it?


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Here Is What’s Wrong With That Story About Obama Knowing That Your Health Care Policy Would Get Cancelled.
Links inside the story.
Links inside the story.
People are crazy and times are strange. I'm locked in tight, I'm out of range.
I used to care, but, things have changed.
I used to care, but, things have changed.
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That's nothing new.Wneglia wrote:Out of Network? Shit out of luck!
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Not that I'm aware of.Vrede wrote:Wneglia, is your practice part of one or more networks that insurers currently penalize policyholders for going outside of?

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Obamacare will fail just like RomneycareO Really wrote:Hey, Sup - where ya' been? I don't think it was ever any question that it was Dems and Dems alone who passed ACA. That's a matter of verifiable record. It's also a matter of verifiable record that the general plan was originally set forth by Republicans, and generally supported by them until Obama stole it. But my question for you is, if the ACA turns out better than the naysayers claim, will you still refer to it as "Obamacare"?

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The premise of your article is that "Romneycare has failed in its promise of lower costs, better care access and universal coverage." It's wrong on all three counts.Wneglia wrote:Obamacare will fail just like Romneycare
Yes, costs have since gone up. But not as much as they would have. Costs were already skyrocketing, and Romneycare dampened that.
Wikipedia: Massachusetts health care reform: Outcomes
It's succeeded in bringing better care access and universal coverage. The percentage of uninsured dropped. Emergency room visits have declined by 5–8%. As this was more pronounced during regular office hours when physician's offices are likely to be open, it's safe to say that this was because people had better, affordable access to physician.
Romneycare was held up by Republicans as a shining free market success. It was only relabeled a failure when Obama adopted it.
If Republicans wanted a real success, proven successful with every other modern healthcare system on the planet, they would have allowed the public option Obama campaigned on. Rather than having him go with the Republican alternative.
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Hey Doc - we know you're busy, but when you get a chance, could you post your own view as to why universal single payer medical coverage is acceptably workable in so many other places, but would not work equally well in the US?