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Whack9 wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:30 pm
Vrede too wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:39 pm
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Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:24 pm
All done voting! Thanks for the heads up about early voting. I didn't realize I could do that
You're welcome . . . but did you see that your candidate just got arrested for child porn? :wave:
Tulsi Gabbard?
:D She's Hawaiian, there are cultural differences of opinion at play.
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Vrede too wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:50 pm
Whack9 wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:30 pm
Vrede too wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:39 pm
Whack9 wrote:
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All done voting! Thanks for the heads up about early voting. I didn't realize I could do that
You're welcome . . . but did you see that your candidate just got arrested for child porn? :wave:
Tulsi Gabbard?
:D She's Hawaiian, there are cultural differences of opinion at play.
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New Yahoo News/YouGov poll shows Sanders's strength going head-to-head with rivals

A new Yahoo News/YouGov poll shows that Sen. Bernie Sanders would defeat each of the other Democratic presidential candidates in a one-on-one race — in many instances by double-digit margins.

Sanders won the most votes in Iowa and New Hampshire and now leads in national surveys. Yet mainstream Democrats seem to think the democratic socialist from Vermont is a weak frontrunner who would be easily dispatched if only the rest of the party stopped dividing its vote among several candidates and consolidated around a single, more moderate alternative....

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The poll isn’t all good news for Sanders, however. Many progressives seem to believe the Vermont senator would be a shoo-in to defeat Donald Trump if only the Democratic establishment would get out of his way and award him the party’s presidential nomination.

Yet there may be trouble ahead. Sixty-two percent of Americans — and a near-identical 61 percent of independents — say that Sanders is a “socialist.” Only a quarter of Americans (26 percent) have a favorable view of socialism, while almost half (47 percent) have an unfavorable view.

Sanders describes himself as a democratic socialist and frames his agenda — Medicare for All, free public college, a Green New Deal — as a continuation of FDR-style liberalism.

But voters don’t necessarily grasp the distinction between socialism and democratic socialism. When asked whether the two ideologies are the same or different, 38 percent of Americans said “the same” and 38 percent said “different.” Another 24 percent said they weren’t sure.

Regardless, only 35 percent of Americans said they would even consider voting in a general election for a candidate who called himself or herself a “democratic socialist.” Forty-six percent said no, while another 18 percent said they weren’t sure. Among independents, those numbers were even less favorable to Sanders: 31 percent yes, 47 percent no and 22 percent not sure. Meanwhile, most Americans (52 percent) said only “some” or “a few” of their peers would consider voting for a democratic socialist.

In the poll, no other candidate characteristic seemed to have such a strong negative effect on electability. Sixty percent of Americans said they would consider voting for a gay candidate (like Buttigieg). Sixty-seven percent said they would consider voting for a billionaire (like Bloomberg and Tom Steyer and, taking him at his own word, Trump). Fifty-four percent said they would consider voting for a candidate with no prior experience in national government (like Buttigieg, Bloomberg and Steyer). Forty-seven percent said they would consider voting for a candidate over 75 years old (like Sanders, Biden and Bloomberg). Sixty-four percent said they would consider voting for a candidate under 40 years old (like Buttigieg). Eighty-three percent said they would consider voting for a woman (like Warren and Klobuchar). Eighty-four percent said they would consider voting for a Jewish candidate (like Sanders and Bloomberg). And 44 percent said they would vote for a Muslim candidate (there isn’t one this year) — nearly 10 points more than the number who said they would vote for a democratic socialist.

Right now, Sanders tends to beat Trump in head-to-head matchups, performing nearly as well as more moderate Democrats such as Biden and Bloomberg. So if Sanders does win the Democratic nomination, it remains to be seen whether Trump and his Republican allies can defeat him by capitalizing on Americans’ ambivalence toward democratic socialism. They will certainly try.

In the meantime, the Yahoo News/YouGov poll highlights a dilemma at the heart of the Democratic primary. When it comes to the fight for the nomination, Sanders seems to be in the strongest position. But he could head into the general election in November with a bigger weakness than any of his rivals.
I'll wait for SC & NV, but I'm damn close to giving up on Liz! Then, I'll have a week to decide between ideology (Bernie!) and age (Amy or Pete). It doesn't look like one can have any certainty about electability.

(I'm pretty sure that I'll end up voting for Bernie!, but I'm trying to hang onto the illusion of thoughtfulness :D )
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Whack9 wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:14 pm
Vrede too wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:50 pm
Whack9 wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:30 pm
Vrede too wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:39 pm
Whack9 wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:24 pm
All done voting! Thanks for the heads up about early voting. I didn't realize I could do that
You're welcome . . . but did you see that your candidate just got arrested for child porn? :wave:
Tulsi Gabbard?
:D She's Hawaiian, there are cultural differences of opinion at play.
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The poll isn’t all good news for Sanders, however. Many progressives seem to believe the Vermont senator would be a shoo-in to defeat Donald Trump if only the Democratic establishment would get out of his way and award him the party’s presidential nomination.

Yet there may be trouble ahead. Sixty-two percent of Americans — and a near-identical 61 percent of independents — say that Sanders is a “socialist.” Only a quarter of Americans (26 percent) have a favorable view of socialism, while almost half (47 percent) have an unfavorable view.

Somebody - and it might have been I - said as early as last election that Bernie! gets to run strong and free because nobody has beat him over the head about being a "socialist." Trump didn't last election because somebody in his campaign was smart enough or lucky enough to realize a strong Bernie! is harmful to Hillary. I don't know why he couldn't frame his positions in a manner that didn't use a word Repugs have been equating with devil poop for decades. Why didn't he call himself a "Roosevelt Democrat" or even "traditional liberal" or something. Undoubtedly too late now. Too bad.

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Rumor per TV news: Bloomberg - Hillary ticket. :angry-banghead:
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Rumor per TV news: Bloomberg - Hillary ticket. :angry-banghead:
Bullshit. Aintnevergonnahappen.

Hillary is done. Every Bernie supporter would stay home.
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Rumor per TV news: Bloomberg - Hillary ticket. :angry-banghead:
Bullshit. Aintnevergonnahappen.

Hillary is done. Every Bernie supporter would stay home.
I find just the suggestion irksome.

IMO, none of the ancients will get picked for VP - Bloomberg, Hillary, Steyer, Liz!, Bernie!, Biden. I would give Amy a better shot at it than Pete, and there are also several of the dropouts that are possibles, along with non-2020 POTUS candidates. If one of the ancients is the POTUS nominee, her/his VP pick may get more scrutiny than usual due to the real possibility of POTUS death or disability while still in office. In fact, if I were the Dem I would put some effort into attacking the prospect of POTUS Pence.
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I think we need somebody like Tom Hayden, Jane Fonda's one time husband and former SDS leader. We need some fucking changes, man.

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Vrede too wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:15 pm
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Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:06 pm
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Rumor per TV news: Bloomberg - Hillary ticket. :angry-banghead:
Bullshit. Aintnevergonnahappen.

Hillary is done. Every Bernie supporter would stay home.
I find just the suggestion irksome.

IMO, none of the ancients will get picked for VP - Bloomberg, Hillary, Steyer, Liz!, Bernie!, Biden. I would give Amy a better shot at it than Pete, and there are also several of the dropouts that are possibles, along with non-2020 POTUS candidates. If one of the ancients is the POTUS nominee, her/his VP pick may get more scrutiny than usual due to the real possibility of POTUS death or disability while still in office. In fact, if I were the Dem I would put some effort into attacking the prospect of POTUS Pence.
Democrats do tend to win with a newbie at the top and an established VP pick at the bottom.
Obama/Biden
Clinton/Gore
Carter/Mondale

Buttigieg/Booker??
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Kennedy / Johnson betrays that, but generally it holds.

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Democrats do tend to win with a newbie at the top and an established VP pick at the bottom.
Obama/Biden
Clinton/Gore
Carter/Mondale

Buttigieg/Booker??
"established" is fine, though Bernie! might see an internal revolt if the pick is too established. I just think the really old ones are all excluded.
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Kennedy / Johnson betrays that, but generally it holds.
How so? Kennedy was still young and Senate Majority Leader Johnson was very established.
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Vrede too wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:04 pm
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Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:49 pm
Democrats do tend to win with a newbie at the top and an established VP pick at the bottom.
Obama/Biden
Clinton/Gore
Carter/Mondale

Buttigieg/Booker??
"established" is fine, though Bernie! might see an internal revolt if the pick is too established. I just think the really old ones are all excluded.
neoplacebo wrote:
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Kennedy / Johnson betrays that, but generally it holds.
How so? Kennedy was still young and Senate Majority Leader Johnson was very established.
Doh! Must have got my brain twisted on this terrible mix of Exlax and Dristan. Never mind. Hell, between that and giving the cat fan ass to mouth I've sort of become discombobulated.

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neoplacebo wrote:
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Doh! Must have got my brain twisted on this terrible mix of Exlax and Dristan. Never mind. Hell, between that and giving the cat fan ass to mouth I've sort of become discombobulated.
Drislax abuse is a terrible thing. You end up with a constipated nose and a runny butt.


Trump Campaign Manager Brad Parscale Tweets Photo Of Big Crowd Near Air Force One -- From 2004

:roll: It's not just the lies, it's also the sheer stupidity of them. The POSPOTUS Klan can't even do evil well.
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You two still having fun in your donkey costume.

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Marcia Fudge (D-Ohio) “ We’re a party in chaos.”
“The people in charge have no idea what they’re doing,” said Gregory Miller of OSET.

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Trump Campaign Manager Brad Parscale Tweets Photo Of Big Crowd Near Air Force One -- From 2004

:roll: It's not just the lies, it's also the sheer stupidity of them. The POSPOTUS Klan can't even do evil well.
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The question is always—-was this an honest mistake or is trumpworld using another president's photo dishonestly?
A Daytona 500 crowd photo is meaningless. However, an intentionally dishonest Daytona 500 crowd photo pushed by the campaign manager for the most insecure POTUS we've ever had speaks volumes, as does the campaign manager's wussy inability to admit his screw up on behalf of the lifelong cowardly Chickenhawk in Chief.

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OK in normal circumstances you could say they made a mistake, they fixed it let's move on, but considering the propensity for prevarication routinely demonstrated by almost everyone associated with Trump, I think it's safe to assume it was a lie.
Everyday, everyday, everyday,,,,,,,The same ole thing.....Not funny anymore.
Well, maybe a little funny.

Hah! The 45SHOLE sports attendance curse persists:

Daytona 500 postponed to Monday

Rain. Even god has picked a side.
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Yahoo, another prostitute member of the leftists news brothel.

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Yahoo, another prostitute member of the leftists news brothel.
:lol: Cultist. "My party has gone batshit crazy." Lindsey Graham 2-26-16 :lol:

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"The best thing for the American people is to end this crap as quickly as possible, to have a trial in the Senate, bipartisan acquittal of the president. And on Feb. 4, when the president comes into the House chamber to deliver the State of the Union, he will have been acquitted by the Senate." said Lindsey Graham.

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