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Vrede too wrote:
Wed Mar 19, 2025 12:27 am

I think the most likely outcome is for PINO to do Putin's bidding and come up with some excuse to walk away while cutting off the military aid. Then? Idk, Ukraine has built up its own weapons industry, Europe may step up aid, and that coup may happen or Putin may die. -0-?
All of this would be the ideal! :thumbup:

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Vrede too wrote:
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I think the most likely outcome is for PINO to do Putin's bidding and come up with some excuse to walk away while cutting off the military aid. Then? Idk, Ukraine has built up its own weapons industry, Europe may step up aid, and that coup may happen or Putin may die. -0-?
All of this would be the ideal! :thumbup:
Meh, Ukraine could lose. I think it's better if we force Putin to make concessions, but I'm not hopeful that his puppet PINO will do that.
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BTW

Zelensky is right, trump is wrong
Putin can't be trusted.

Putin bombs energy plants hours after telling Trump he would halt attacks
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BTW

Zelensky is right, trump is wrong
Putin can't be trusted.

Putin bombs energy plants hours after telling Trump he would halt attacks
Putin definitely can’t be trusted. That’s why it’d be best if he were assassinated.

Then again, I don’t trust Zelenskyy, either. At all.

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Jasmine wrote:
Wed Mar 19, 2025 2:56 am
GoCubsGo wrote:
Wed Mar 19, 2025 2:23 am
BTW

Zelensky is right, trump is wrong
Putin can't be trusted.

Putin bombs energy plants hours after telling Trump he would halt attacks
Putin definitely can’t be trusted. That’s why it’d be best if he were assassinated.

Then again, I don’t trust Zelenskyy, either. At all.
Why not?

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O Really wrote:
Wed Mar 19, 2025 10:32 am
Jasmine wrote:
Wed Mar 19, 2025 2:56 am
GoCubsGo wrote:
Wed Mar 19, 2025 2:23 am
BTW

Zelensky is right, trump is wrong
Putin can't be trusted.

Putin bombs energy plants hours after telling Trump he would halt attacks
Putin definitely can’t be trusted. That’s why it’d be best if he were assassinated.

Then again, I don’t trust Zelenskyy, either. At all.
Why not?
Because her overlords told her so.

After all, he's only fighting for his country's life.
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Well, Jasmine has a bit of distaste for politicians of all stripes, and seems not to recognize there is a wide spectrum of differences. For example, the difference in my congresscritter https://levin.house.gov/ and Boebert or EmptyG is like they're in different worlds. Actually they are in different realities. She's probably never heard of Mike Levin, but gets press on the loons every day. But sure, politicians make deals, compromise, change positions, etc. - that's managing the realities of "politics is the art of the possible." But a lot of them are basically honest, responsible people who take their jobs seriously.

Cultures are different all over the world, and I'm not that familiar with Ukraine. But I haven't seen any significant indication that Zelenskyy is anything other than what he appears. A guy thrown into a bad situation, doing as well as he can for his country - and, given the circumstances, doing a great job.

Again, why not?

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O Really wrote:
Wed Mar 19, 2025 10:32 am
Jasmine wrote:
Wed Mar 19, 2025 2:56 am
GoCubsGo wrote:
Wed Mar 19, 2025 2:23 am
BTW

Zelensky is right, trump is wrong
Putin can't be trusted.

Putin bombs energy plants hours after telling Trump he would halt attacks
Putin definitely can’t be trusted. That’s why it’d be best if he were assassinated.

Then again, I don’t trust Zelenskyy, either. At all.
Why not?
A lot of people act like he’s some kind of selfless hero. But I see him as yet another corrupt and opportunistic politician who enjoys being in power and profiting from his fame. Sorta like how you guys feel about Elon Musk.

Politicians just aren’t trustworthy people. They cling to power like flies on crap.

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Imagine rooting for peace negotiations to fail… -0-?
If it meant regaining power, leftists wouldn't give a shit if a nuclear bomb exploded.

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A lot of people act like he’s some kind of selfless hero. But I see him as yet another corrupt and opportunistic politician who enjoys being in power and profiting from his fame. Sorta like how you guys feel about Elon Musk.

Politicians just aren’t trustworthy people. They cling to power like flies on crap.
Examples, evidence? Not to say that as a broad statement there aren't any that meet your description, but who is going to spend a lot of money, time, energy, chunks of their life running for an office with power if they aren't interested in power? Who would you want in power that wasn't comfortable having it?

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A lot of people act like he’s some kind of selfless hero. But I see him as yet another corrupt and opportunistic politician who enjoys being in power and profiting from his fame. Sorta like how you guys feel about Elon Musk.

Politicians just aren’t trustworthy people. They cling to power like flies on crap.
Based on what?

Didn't he recently offer to step down for a negotiated peace?
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Jasmine wrote:
Wed Mar 19, 2025 1:04 pm
O Really wrote:
Wed Mar 19, 2025 10:32 am
Jasmine wrote:
Wed Mar 19, 2025 2:56 am
Putin definitely can’t be trusted. That’s why it’d be best if he were assassinated.

Then again, I don’t trust Zelenskyy, either. At all.
Why not?
A lot of people act like he’s some kind of selfless hero. But I see him as yet another corrupt and opportunistic politician who enjoys being in power and profiting from his fame. Sorta like how you guys feel about Elon Musk.

Politicians just aren’t trustworthy people. They cling to power like flies on crap.
What are your sources for the corruption rumors about Zelenskyy? I've heard that they are Russian-origin :bs: .
15 rumors we've fact-checked about Zelenskyy
We've fact-checked many claims about the Ukrainian president since Russia's 2022 invasion of Ukraine.


Zelenskyy did not block Truth Social in Ukraine
Real Footage of Zelenskyy Reacting to Biden Calling Him 'President Putin'?
Opps.
Real Video of Zelenskyy Belly Dancing?
The Ukrainian president has been the subject of numerous deepfake videos.
Zelenskyy and Wife Photographed with Stacks of Money?
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FAKE!
Ukraine's President Zelenskyy Bought a Casino in Cyprus?
Russian LIE!
Zelenskyy Acquired a Mansion Previously Owned by King Charles III?
This claim almost certainly originated as literal Russian propaganda.
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Did Zelenskyy Urge Western Countries, 'Don't Build Roads, Spend All of Your Money on Weapons'?
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Did Zelenskyy Say He Would 'Exchange' Belgorod for NATO Membership?
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Did Zelenskyy Call for Sanctions on 'Any Christian Caught Worshiping in Unapproved Ways'?
This strain of misinformation was bolstered by an incorrectly placed quotation mark in a Tucker Carson segment.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/zelen ... oved-ways/
Putin stooge Tucker invent something? Say it ain't so! The LIE was repeated by director of national intelligence Tulsi Gabbard. :wtf:
Are Zelenskyy and Soros Cousins?
Far-right smear...
Does Video Show Zelenskyy Singing John Lennon's 'Imagine'?
Nttawwt, but Miscaptioned. It's the lead singer of the Florida covers band Boyce Avenue.
Are These Claims About Zelenskyy's Family and Career True?
Hero.

More:
https://www.snopes.com/search/?q=Zelens ... gsc.page=1
Are any of these LIES the basis for your claims, Jasmine?
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Only 15? Damn, that only scratches the surface of corruption. I get it, you got that from one comedic claims article. The one about dementia Joe calling him Putin is probably true. :lol: Lazyass compassionate nurse, you should apply for one of those corrupt leftist news media outlets.

Almost 80% of Ukrainians consider Zelenskyy responsible for corruption
https://visitukraine.today/blog/2578/is ... corruption

Other sources
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/2 ... ion-progam
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cq55rpqlp31o
https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/07/29/uk ... -the-west/

Countless more on that thing you call google.

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Trump suggests to Zelenskyy that U.S. take ownership of Ukrainian power plants for security

... Trump told Zelenskyy that the U.S could be “very helpful in running those plants with its electricity and utility expertise,” according to a White House statement from Secretary of State Marco Rubio and national security adviser Mike Waltz that described the call as “fantastic.”

Trump added that “American ownership of those plants could be the best protection for that infrastructure.”
:wtf: Are we going to send in troops? Will we attack the Russians occupying the nuke? Zelenskyy said Ukraine will consider the idea.
... The U.S. State Department confirmed in a statement Wednesday that it has cut funding for the Ukraine Conflict Observatory, a Yale University spearheaded organization that has been tracking alleged Russian war crimes, including the mass abduction of Ukrainian children during the conflict.
Of course it did, wouldn't want to make Putin look bad.
:obscene-birdiered: , LIttle Marco.
... The Institute for the Study of War, a Washington-based think tank, said that Putin’s demands during the call with Trump would amount to “Ukrainian capitulation.”

“Putin is attempting to hold the temporary ceasefire proposal hostage in order to extract preemptive concessions ahead of formal negotiations to end the war,” the ISW said in an analysis of readouts from the calls....

“There are only two ways to respond to the proposal of the president of the United States: it’s a yes or a no — no buts, no conditions,” Stubb said. “Ukraine accepted a ceasefire without any forms of conditions. If Russia refuses to agree, we need to increase our efforts to strengthen Ukraine and ratchet up pressure on Russia to convince them to come to the negotiating table.”
Didn't someone here just say all that? Hmm :wave:
... Shortly after the call between Trump and Putin on Tuesday, air raid sirens sounded in Kyiv, followed by explosions as residents took shelter.

Despite efforts to repel the attack, several strikes hit civilian infrastructure, including two hospitals, a railway and more than 20 houses, Zelenskyy said. Russian drones were reported over Kyiv, Zhytomyr, Sumy, Chernihiv, Poltava, Kharkiv, Kirovohrad, Dnipropetrovsk, and Cherkasy regions....
That's Putin's :obscene-birdiered: to Zelenskyy and PINO.
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O Really wrote:
Wed Mar 19, 2025 2:37 pm
Jasmine wrote:
Wed Mar 19, 2025 1:04 pm
A lot of people act like he’s some kind of selfless hero. But I see him as yet another corrupt and opportunistic politician who enjoys being in power and profiting from his fame. Sorta like how you guys feel about Elon Musk.

Politicians just aren’t trustworthy people. They cling to power like flies on crap.
Examples, evidence? Not to say that as a broad statement there aren't any that meet your description, but who is going to spend a lot of money, time, energy, chunks of their life running for an office with power if they aren't interested in power? Who would you want in power that wasn't comfortable having it?
GoCubsGo wrote:
Wed Mar 19, 2025 3:12 pm
Based on what?

Didn't he recently offer to step down for a negotiated peace?
Looks like Jasmine left the building. Hmmm.
GoCubsGo wrote:
Wed Mar 19, 2025 2:23 am
BTW

Zelensky is right, trump is wrong
Putin can't be trusted.

Putin bombs energy plants hours after telling Trump he would halt attacks
PINO is wrong.
Zelenskyy has some cards to play. Must have been his boss Putin that told him otherwise.
Ukraine strikes Russian strategic bomber airfield, triggering huge blast (with A/V)

Ukraine struck a major Russian strategic bomber airfield on Thursday with drones, triggering a huge blast and fire about 700 km (435 miles) from the front lines of the war, Russian and Ukrainian officials said.

Videos verified by Reuters showed a huge blast spreading out from the airfield, wrecking nearby cottages....

Other verified videos showed a giant plume of smoke rising into the dawn sky and an intense fire.

The base in Engels, which dates back to Soviet times, hosts Russia's Tupolev Tu-160 nuclear-capable heavy strategic bombers, known unofficially as White Swans.

Roman Busargin, governor of Saratov, said there had been a Ukrainian drone attack on the city of Engels that had left an airfield on fire, and that nearby residents had been evacuated. He did not specifically mention the Engels base, but it is the main airfield in the area.

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Ukraine's defence ministry said its forces had struck the airfield and triggered secondary detonations of ammunition. Kyiv said Russia had used the Engels base to carry out strikes on Ukraine....

Ukraine has conducted previous attacks on the Engels air base dating back to December 2022. In January it claimed to have struck an oil depot serving the base, causing a huge fire that took five days to put out.

A Ukrainian security source said at the time that a drone attack had struck a storage facility holding guided bombs and missiles at the Engels base.
:---P :thumbup:

Oh look, Zelenskyy was right. PINO is a dupe.
Putin can't be trusted.
Exclusive: Intelligence shared with White House shows Ukrainians not 'encircled' in Kursk

Ukrainian soldiers in Kursk have lost ground in recent days but are not encircled by Russian forces, contrary to recent comments by U.S. President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin, according to three U.S. and European officials familiar with their governments' intelligence assessments.

U.S. intelligence agencies, including the CIA, have shared that assessment with the White House over the past week, a U.S. official and another person familiar with the matter said. However, Trump has continued to claim that Ukrainian troops are surrounded in western Russia's Kursk region.
PINO can't be trusted, he's a lying sack of shit.
... Experts described a claim by Putin on March 13 that Ukrainian forces in Kursk were cut off and would ultimately need to “surrender or die” as misinformation intended to show that Russia is offering concessions by saving the lives of Ukrainian soldiers, giving Putin leverage in ceasefire negotiations.

In a social media post on March 14, Trump said he had asked the Russian president to spare the lives of thousands of Ukrainians who he said were "completely surrounded" and vulnerable. Putin said that he would do so if they surrendered.

Trump repeated the claim about "encircled" Ukrainian forces during a speech at Washington's Kennedy Center on Monday and in a Fox News interview on Tuesday.
Busted, moron.
... Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy has denied that Ukrainian forces are surrounded and said Putin was lying about the reality on the ground....

The Institute for the Study of War, a U.S.-based conflict monitor, said on March 14 that it had "observed no geolocated evidence to indicate that Russian forces have encircled a significant number of Ukrainian forces in Kursk Oblast or elsewhere along the frontline in Ukraine."
Opps. How embarrassing for PINO.
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Wed Mar 19, 2025 5:03 pm
Only 15? Damn, that only scratches the surface of corruption. I get it, you got that from one comedic claims article. The one about dementia Joe calling him Putin is probably true. :lol: Lazyass compassionate nurse, you should apply for one of those corrupt leftist news media outlets.

Almost 80% of Ukrainians consider Zelenskyy responsible for corruption
https://visitukraine.today/blog/2578/is ... corruption

Other sources
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/2 ... ion-progam
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cq55rpqlp31o
https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/07/29/uk ... -the-west/

Countless more on that thing you call google.
I felt really bad for the little former comedian/actor too.

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Wed Mar 19, 2025 8:28 pm
:happy-cheerleaderkid:
:lol: Hilarious that you would choose a little girl in pigtails with pom poms, compassionate nurse.

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Vrede too wrote:
Fri Mar 21, 2025 9:24 am
O Really wrote:
Wed Mar 19, 2025 2:37 pm
Jasmine wrote:
Wed Mar 19, 2025 1:04 pm
A lot of people act like he’s some kind of selfless hero. But I see him as yet another corrupt and opportunistic politician who enjoys being in power and profiting from his fame. Sorta like how you guys feel about Elon Musk.

Politicians just aren’t trustworthy people. They cling to power like flies on crap.
Examples, evidence? Not to say that as a broad statement there aren't any that meet your description, but who is going to spend a lot of money, time, energy, chunks of their life running for an office with power if they aren't interested in power? Who would you want in power that wasn't comfortable having it?
GoCubsGo wrote:
Wed Mar 19, 2025 3:12 pm
Based on what?

Didn't he recently offer to step down for a negotiated peace?
Looks like Jasmine left the building. Hmmm.
GoCubsGo wrote:
Wed Mar 19, 2025 2:23 am
BTW

Zelensky is right, trump is wrong
Putin can't be trusted.

Putin bombs energy plants hours after telling Trump he would halt attacks
PINO is wrong.
Zelenskyy has some cards to play. Must have been his boss Putin that told him otherwise.


Oh look, Zelenskyy was right. PINO is a dupe.
Putin can't be trusted.


PINO can't be trusted, he's a lying sack of shit.


Busted, moron (DonOLD).


Opps. How embarrassing for PINO.
Nevertheless, this MIGHT work:

The U.S. and Russia are holding talks in Saudi Arabia on a Black Sea ceasefire

Russia has gotten its ass kicked in the Black Sea, multiple ships sunk.
... Russia, facing Ukrainian drone attacks, has moved its Black Sea fleet away from the Crimean port city of Sevastopol, while continuing strikes on Ukrainian ports. Shipping routes through the territorial waters of NATO members remain vital for Ukrainian exports.

Ukraine has endorsed President Trump's ceasefire proposal and provided Washington with a list of key sites requiring protection. Ukrainian Defense Minister Rustem Umerov remains in Riyadh for potential follow-up meetings....
We'll see. Still, Putin can't be trusted, he's a lying sack of shit.
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Did I just say something about MAGA incompetence?
Kristi Noem “Mistakenly Sent Email” to Ukrainians Terminating Parole in U.S., Say Two U.S. Senators

U.S. Senators Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) and Jeanne Shaheen (D-New Hampshire), who is also Ranking Member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, sent a letter to U.S. Secretary of Homeland Security Kristi Noem calling on Noem “to immediately explain how the Department of Homeland Security mistakenly sent an email to Ukrainians on humanitarian parole in the U.S. that they had seven days to leave the country.”

As seen in the letter below, Murkowski and Shaheen explain that “Ukrainians who have participated in the Uniting for Ukraine program have entered the U.S. lawfully, passed rigorous screening and vetting requirements and have been required to find financial support from private U.S. sponsors.”

The Senators added, “Abruptly and cruelly telling victims of Russia’s war to leave the country would not reflect American values — and it risks emboldening Putin to continue the war, despite President Trump’s stated objectives to establish peace.”



Murkowski and Shaheen wrote that “The fact that the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) drafted such a notification is alarming,” noting that Congress has not been notified regarding any proposed changes to the program. The lawmakers said their congressional staff inquiries to DHS “resulted in conflicting responses that demonstrated a disturbing lack of interagency coordination or strategy on the status of humanitarian parole for Ukrainians.”
Incompetence.
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Vrede too wrote:
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Incompetence.
Scary incompetence, but situation normal in the amateur DonOld administration. Starts at the top.
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