Guns, race, religion, terror, wingnut thread

[Vrede too]

White Nationalists Praise El Paso Attack and Mock the Dead

El Paso Massacre Galvanizes Accelerationists

Trump words linked to more hate crime? Some experts think so

[billy.pilgrim]

this idiot



https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ma ... t-n1040676

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this idiot

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ma ... t-n1040676

Yeah, appreciate you guys for bringing this incident up.

Man detained after walking into Missouri Walmart armed with a rifle and wearing body armor

Stopped by an armed off-duty firefighter. Thank you, Sir.

Didn't watch the evening news, don't know if it made National, thanks for sharing.

[billy.pilgrim]

this idiot

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ma ... t-n1040676

Yeah, appreciate you guys for bringing this incident up.

Man detained after walking into Missouri Walmart armed with a rifle and wearing body armor

Stopped by an armed off-duty firefighter. Thank you, Sir.

Didn't watch the evening news, don't know if it made National, thanks for sharing.

He was stopped after he left. I agree, good on the firefighter.

Unlike cops, firefighters aren't trained to kill people for little or no reason.

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this idiot

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ma ... t-n1040676

Yeah, appreciate you guys for bringing this incident up.

Man detained after walking into Missouri Walmart armed with a rifle and wearing body armor

Stopped by an armed off-duty firefighter. Thank you, Sir.

Didn't watch the evening news, don't know if it made National, thanks for sharing.

He was stopped after he left. I agree, good on the firefighter.

Unlike cops, firefighters aren't trained to kill people for little or no reason.

Yes, billy, it's good that a armed off duty firefighter stopped him from having the opportunity to return.

[Vrede too]

this idiot

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ma ... t-n1040676

You beat my post about the same thing over in Gun Legislation by 15 minutes, congrats. Great minds ...

It's unclear whether he broke any laws. If not, the armed off-duty firefighter is a kidnapper.

New addition to my list of White, male (often Christian) con domestic terrorism:

Las Vegas Man Faces Weapons Charge After Outlining Plans To Attack Synagogue, (Gay) Bar
The Justice Department said Conor Climo promoted white supremacy, had drawn up plans for an attack involving explosives and had bomb-making materials.

The FBI Counted 100 Domestic Terrorism Arrests In The Past 9 Months
FBI Director Christopher Wray said white supremacist violence motivates the majority of these cases the bureau investigates.

[O Really]

Yes, billy, it's good that a armed off duty firefighter stopped him from having the opportunity to return.
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Dude was lucky he was "stopped" by that particular firefighter. Good chance some other "good guy" with a gun would have just fired away. Sadly, wearing that gear, carrying that weapon, and looking suspicious might have been legal there. When it's legal to walk around looking like a terrorist, robber, vigilante, whatever, and it's legal (and encouraged) for untrained civilians who are already pretty much by definition paranoid, to carry firearms so as to "defend themselves" you've got a guarantee of a mess. The gun ummm, "enthusiast" says "I have a right to pack a .45 for protection. I'm going to protect myself and my family." And then he says, "Look at these shooters, attacking a "gun-free zone." Well by golly, if there were more people with guns, those shooters would go down quick." And then he says, "Nobody is going to shoot up a bunch of people if I'm there." And then he's shopping in Walmart and says, "Look Ethyl - there's a guy wearing camo and walking around with a gun. Looks like he's looking for something to shoot."

"Protect" your family, Bubba - shoot the sumbitch before he's the next mass shooter!

[neoplacebo]

Yes, billy, it's good that a armed off duty firefighter stopped him from having the opportunity to return.

Dude was lucky he was "stopped" by that particular firefighter. Good chance some other "good guy" with a gun would have just fired away. Sadly, wearing that gear, carrying that weapon, and looking suspicious might have been legal there. When it's legal to walk around looking like a terrorist, robber, vigilante, whatever, and it's legal (and encouraged) for untrained civilians who are already pretty much by definition paranoid, to carry firearms so as to "defend themselves" you've got a guarantee of a mess. The gun ummm, "enthusiast" says "I have a right to pack a .45 for protection. I'm going to protect myself and my family." And then he says, "Look at these shooters, attacking a "gun-free zone." Well by golly, if there were more people with guns, those shooters would go down quick." And then he says, "Nobody is going to shoot up a bunch of people if I'm there." And then he's shopping in Walmart and says, "Look Ethyl - there's a guy wearing camo and walking around with a gun. Looks like he's looking for something to shoot."

"Protect" your family, Bubba - shoot the sumbitch before he's the next mass shooter!
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Ah, yes, the gun nut zone, where logic is an enemy. Perhaps if we all get ourselves a pistol and always carry it with us and always have it in one hand pointing it at the side of our heads, nobody will fuck with us.

[billy.pilgrim]

Yes, billy, it's good that a armed off duty firefighter stopped him from having the opportunity to return.

Dude was lucky he was "stopped" by that particular firefighter. Good chance some other "good guy" with a gun would have just fired away. Sadly, wearing that gear, carrying that weapon, and looking suspicious might have been legal there. When it's legal to walk around looking like a terrorist, robber, vigilante, whatever, and it's legal (and encouraged) for untrained civilians who are already pretty much by definition paranoid, to carry firearms so as to "defend themselves" you've got a guarantee of a mess. The gun ummm, "enthusiast" says "I have a right to pack a .45 for protection. I'm going to protect myself and my family." And then he says, "Look at these shooters, attacking a "gun-free zone." Well by golly, if there were more people with guns, those shooters would go down quick." And then he says, "Nobody is going to shoot up a bunch of people if I'm there." And then he's shopping in Walmart and says, "Look Ethyl - there's a guy wearing camo and walking around with a gun. Looks like he's looking for something to shoot."

"Protect" your family, Bubba - shoot the sumbitch before he's the next mass shooter!

Ah, yes, the gun nut zone, where logic is an enemy. Perhaps if we all get ourselves a pistol and always carry it with us and always have it in one hand pointing it at the side of our heads, nobody will fuck with us.
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Vrede's comment was interesting.

The guy may not have done anything illegal

And the firefighter could possibly be charged with kidnapping.


Open carry?

[Vrede too]

Vrede's comment was interesting.

The guy may not have done anything illegal

And the firefighter could possibly be charged with kidnapping.

Open carry?

I think it's 45 of the 50 states that are open carry, MO is one of them.

IF the idiot did not specifically threaten people, would it be any different if some other armed citizen noticed that the firefighter was armed and detained him?

Clearly, we need new law and vigorous enforcement.

[neoplacebo]

Yes, billy, it's good that a armed off duty firefighter stopped him from having the opportunity to return.

Dude was lucky he was "stopped" by that particular firefighter. Good chance some other "good guy" with a gun would have just fired away. Sadly, wearing that gear, carrying that weapon, and looking suspicious might have been legal there. When it's legal to walk around looking like a terrorist, robber, vigilante, whatever, and it's legal (and encouraged) for untrained civilians who are already pretty much by definition paranoid, to carry firearms so as to "defend themselves" you've got a guarantee of a mess. The gun ummm, "enthusiast" says "I have a right to pack a .45 for protection. I'm going to protect myself and my family." And then he says, "Look at these shooters, attacking a "gun-free zone." Well by golly, if there were more people with guns, those shooters would go down quick." And then he says, "Nobody is going to shoot up a bunch of people if I'm there." And then he's shopping in Walmart and says, "Look Ethyl - there's a guy wearing camo and walking around with a gun. Looks like he's looking for something to shoot."

"Protect" your family, Bubba - shoot the sumbitch before he's the next mass shooter!

Ah, yes, the gun nut zone, where logic is an enemy. Perhaps if we all get ourselves a pistol and always carry it with us and always have it in one hand pointing it at the side of our heads, nobody will fuck with us.

Vrede's comment was interesting.

The guy may not have done anything illegal

And the firefighter could possibly be charged with kidnapping.


Open carry?
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Vrede and O Really both point out the absurdity of what is technically legal in many states. My post about us all holding a gun to our head is the logical ultimate extension of this obsession to the point of lunacy with guns and any laws that adversely affect the "enthusiasts."

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Lot of silly scenarios there, but the one that actually happened is the only one that matters.
Good luck on your next visit to Wal Mart.

[Vrede too]

Why is one firefighter's CC (I assume) gun "better" than another man's open carry absent any laws to restrict either? Where is the line between a good and a bad open carrier? Should we all become cammo fashion police?

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Go into a Wal Mart with a rifle, see what happens.

[O Really]

Go into a Wal Mart with a rifle, see what happens.

Well, we know what happened to one guy recently who had an unloaded air rifle, plain clothes, talking on his phone, dropped his rifle when told, and then got shot. Oh yeah, he was a black guy.

[Vrede too]

MO is an open carry state and Walmart doesn't ban guns. Sounds like some supposed cop is making up his own situational law rather than having the stones to admit that extant law needs to be changed. Must have "learned" the law from Chuck Norris movies, lol.

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I’m assuming you’re white, you try it, see what happens.

[Vrede too]

Oops, I meant: supposed cop with a nonexistent "open carry" card

[neoplacebo]

Oops, I meant: supposed cop with a nonexistent "open carry" card

I once had a drunk driving license and diplomatic license plates back when I was on special assignment.

[billy.pilgrim]

Cat's just a pig who twists law to fit his racism.
In this case, the idiocy of open carry must have hurt his feelings.