The Music Thread

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OK, so I don't know anything about A$AP Rocky, and it's not just a question of Trump, but why is it an entertainer/singer person can get into a minor altercation in a first-world country like Sweden and it becomes an item of interest at the highest government levels? He wasn't "held hostage" he wasn't accused of some hokey "spy" crime, and even if you can argue whether or not his actions were "self defense", it's pretty clear he did what he's accused of. And they're holding him for trial, considering him a "flight risk." Well, wouldn't you be a flight risk if you're in a country just for a performance and now they're wanting to try you for something?

How does this warrant international attention, and why does the US think it has any influential jurisdiction at all?

Plus, we lose any comparison of "justice" systems. Sweden should demand the release of some nonwhite US political prisoner/s in exchange.

My unscientific survey of Yahoo! commenters agrees with you. This is representative of the vast majority of them:

Glad there aren't more important things for Trump to worry about. A rapper? In Sweden? Really?

Wealth privilege is a real thing

There's also a lot of:

Be careful Sweden, make sure you get cash, Trump is well know for not paying his bills.

Donnie "offered to personally vouch for his bail." Yeah, we know how Donnie doesn't pay his bills. I don't suspect Sweden will listen.

I'm sure that the Swedish Prime Minister got a good laugh after Trump gave him his word... haha

But it was a "very good call". Come to think of it I don't think Trump has ever had anything but a "very good call" no matter if he's talking to ally, enemy or someone in between.

Iran knows how trump keeps America's word

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OK, so I don't know anything about A$AP Rocky, and it's not just a question of Trump, but why is it an entertainer/singer person can get into a minor altercation in a first-world country like Sweden and it becomes an item of interest at the highest government levels? He wasn't "held hostage" he wasn't accused of some hokey "spy" crime, and even if you can argue whether or not his actions were "self defense", it's pretty clear he did what he's accused of. And they're holding him for trial, considering him a "flight risk." Well, wouldn't you be a flight risk if you're in a country just for a performance and now they're wanting to try you for something?

How does this warrant international attention, and why does the US think it has any influential jurisdiction at all?

I will guess the interest is because of the First Lady; at least that's the story that's been put out. As for the US influence aspect, I read trump saying that he called "the very talented" Swedish Prime Minister about this affair. What I want to know is what the PM is "very talented" at; tap dancing? juggling? not breaking out in hilarious laughter at every other phrase uttered by our ignorant oaf of a president?

Swedish Prime Minister, paraphrased: We have an independent judiciary, I will not interfere.
45SHOLE's dictatorial aspirations are foiled, again.

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OK, so I don't know anything about A$AP Rocky, and it's not just a question of Trump, but why is it an entertainer/singer person can get into a minor altercation in a first-world country like Sweden and it becomes an item of interest at the highest government levels? He wasn't "held hostage" he wasn't accused of some hokey "spy" crime, and even if you can argue whether or not his actions were "self defense", it's pretty clear he did what he's accused of. And they're holding him for trial, considering him a "flight risk." Well, wouldn't you be a flight risk if you're in a country just for a performance and now they're wanting to try you for something?

How does this warrant international attention, and why does the US think it has any influential jurisdiction at all?

I will guess the interest is because of the First Lady; at least that's the story that's been put out. As for the US influence aspect, I read trump saying that he called "the very talented" Swedish Prime Minister about this affair. What I want to know is what the PM is "very talented" at; tap dancing? juggling? not breaking out in hilarious laughter at every other phrase uttered by our ignorant oaf of a president?

Swedish Prime Minister, paraphrased: We have an independent judiciary, I will not interfere.
45SHOLE's dictatorial aspirations are foiled, again.

I never heard of A$AP before this, but I think I remember that it was always Snidely Whiplash who used to say "curses, foiled again."

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Foiled again:

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It looks like the cause of all the angst is that A$AP Rocky is actually held in jail, without charges, pending investigation of the fairly minor altercation. And yes, probably if he were a Swedish citizen, he'd be loose. And maybe if there really are videos showing Rocky to be acting defensively, the cops could have given them some credence. Or maybe a fight that apparently resulting in no serious injury isn't worthy of this much investigation. Buncha woulda coulda shoulda maybe, but still. Rocky undoubtedly had a plane ticket in his pocket - or got flown in on a private plane. No way would have have been in Sweden past the next morning if they'd let him go. Would Sweden really try to extradite him over this? Naaaa, but they'd have to live with an incident of some furriner coming to town, creating/participating in street violence and then scooting off scot free. Those complaining about his incarceration are really saying, "Rocky a good guy. He'll stay in his hotel while you investigation and consider whether to charge him. Maybe even do some shopping. He won't mind missing his next gig - he'll just hang. Trust him."

Little-known trivia is that Sweden doesn't have a bail system, so Trump essentially offered a bribe. And, although if he really did have a conversation with Lofven (questionable), Lofven undoubtedly would have told Trump that bail wasn't part of their system. Yet even after the alleged call, Trump tweets:

"Just had a very good call with @SwedishPM Stefan Löfven who assured me that American citizen A$AP Rocky will be treated fairly. Likewise, I assured him that A$AP was not a flight risk and offered to personally vouch for his bail, or an alternative...."

He stated his offer to "personally vouch for his bail" even after he surely knew no bail was possible. And he claimed to offer to "vouch" for his bail, not "pay" the bail. Yeah, that's going to work, as if Trump's known for paying his debts/commitments.

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Trump lashes out at Sweden after rapper A$AP Rocky charged

... "Very disappointed in Prime Minister Stefan Lfven for being unable to act. Sweden has let our African American Community down in the United States. I watched the tapes of A$AP Rocky, and he was being followed and harassed by troublemakers," the president tweeted Thursday afternoon. "Treat Americans fairly! #FreeRocky." ...

The three men will remain in prison until the trial begins which, according to Stockholm's District Court, will take an estimated three days.

The trial will take place July 30 and Aug. 1 and 2, the prosecutor's office said. Suneson added that those who were injured in the fight will testify and that new footage of the assault will be played in court as well....

A$AP Rocky faces a maximum sentence of two years in prison if found guilty....

I don't know or care whether he's guilty or not, but I'm pleased that Sweden has maintained the independence of its judiciary from political interference, and that whiny wannabe dictator POSPOTUS is proven impotent, again.

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Ex-Swedish PM fires back at Trump over A$AP Rocky

Carl Bildt
‏Verified account @carlbildt

Carl Bildt Retweeted Donald J. Trump

The rule of the law applies to everyone equally and is exercised by an independent judiciary. That’s the way it is in the US, and that’s certainly the way it is in Sweden. Political interference in the process is distinctly off limits! Clear?

Carl Bildt added,

Donald J. Trump
Verified account @realDonaldTrump
Very disappointed in Prime Minister Stefan Löfven for being unable to act. Sweden has let our African American Community down in the United States. I watched the tapes of A$AP Rocky, and he was being followed and harassed by troublemakers. Treat Americans fairly! #FreeRocky

Carl Bildt
‏Verified account @carlbildt

Carl Bildt Retweeted Donald J. Trump

If @realDonaldTrump tries to obstruct justice in his own country he will be in deep trouble with the very principles of the US constitution.

Carl Bildt added,

Donald J. Trump
Verified account @realDonaldTrump
Give A$AP Rocky his FREEDOM. We do so much for Sweden but it doesn’t seem to work the other way around. Sweden should focus on its real crime problem! #FreeRocky

[O Really]

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/ ... ger-after/

A Vancouver Island woman who credits Metallica with saving her from a cougar got to thank the band personally when frontman James Hetfield called to talk about the encounter.

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https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/ ... ger-after/

A Vancouver Island woman who credits Metallica with saving her from a cougar got to thank the band personally when frontman James Hetfield called to talk about the encounter.

Quick thinking, but I think I would have stuck to throwing rocks.

Whack9, I've heard it works on the other kind of cougar, too. Metallica, not throwing rocks, I mean, though both are probably effective.

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OK, so I don't know anything about A$AP Rocky, and it's not just a question of Trump, but why is it an entertainer/singer person can get into a minor altercation in a first-world country like Sweden and it becomes an item of interest at the highest government levels? He wasn't "held hostage" he wasn't accused of some hokey "spy" crime, and even if you can argue whether or not his actions were "self defense", it's pretty clear he did what he's accused of. And they're holding him for trial, considering him a "flight risk." Well, wouldn't you be a flight risk if you're in a country just for a performance and now they're wanting to try you for something?

How does this warrant international attention, and why does the US think it has any influential jurisdiction at all?

I will guess the interest is because of the First Lady; at least that's the story that's been put out. As for the US influence aspect, I read trump saying that he called "the very talented" Swedish Prime Minister about this affair. What I want to know is what the PM is "very talented" at; tap dancing? juggling? not breaking out in hilarious laughter at every other phrase uttered by our ignorant oaf of a president?

Swedish Prime Minister, paraphrased: We have an independent judiciary, I will not interfere.
45SHOLE's dictatorial aspirations are foiled, again.

U.S. rapper A$AP Rocky spared jail after being found guilty of Stockholm brawl

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLt3hjGvN9k



Sign:
So Sorry
This Is Out
Of Order

[Whack9]

Put this on if you have an hour and a half to kill and want to relax:

[Whack9]

This is the kind of stuff I'm flowing with nowadays

[Whack9]

How about this - post a song and tell us what memory it evokes for you.

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Who are you and what have you done with death metal JTA?

How about this - post a song and tell us what memory it evokes for you.

Anything by Al Green - the one that got away.


Taylor Swift takes on Trump, says she's 'obviously' pro-choice: I'll 'do everything I can for 2020

The famously contentious duo:
Black rapper Kanye is a Trumpette.
White country star (former, now pop) is a Dem.

Rod Serling could have scripted this.

[neoplacebo]

How about this - post a song and tell us what memory it evokes for you.

This one brings back memories of getting high with the first girl I was ever in love with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j92RqFP4CM

[Whack9]

How about this - post a song and tell us what memory it evokes for you.

This one brings back memories of getting high with the first girl I was ever in love with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j92RqFP4CM

Good song, sounds like a good memory

[Whack9]

Paddling around the Okeefenokee swamp. I had a one night reservation to camp on one of the doc/platform things. I was by myself, had some whiskey, and some of the good stuff. I was chilling and fishing and taking it all in and just feeling all around great and had this dudes stuff playing on the background. Next day I had to paddle back and drive to pawleys island to meet my now girlfriend to be her date to her friend's wedding (a little over a year later and they are now divorced)

[neoplacebo]

How about this - post a song and tell us what memory it evokes for you.

This one brings back memories of getting high with the first girl I was ever in love with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j92RqFP4CM

Good song, sounds like a good memory

Yeah, those were the days.

[Whack9]

A good'n



Nothing special. Just walking around a record shop on a rainy day. Ended up buying a copy of Weedeater's "And Justice for Ya'll" that day.