College football

[billy.pilgrim]

Okay, that's now convinced me that you're not obsessive.

your pick for obsessive

1) mine and boat's family members who quietly watch and enjoy their fox because it is fair and balanced but who will riot in the streets if the fake lame stream media tries to steal trumps 2nd term by not reinstalling him

2) the people who loudly object to trump and see that his saying he would not concede if he loses as an attack on our demorcary

[billy.pilgrim]

I think strength of schedule already plays a huge role in the subjective playoff and bowl selections. After all, neither UCF nor BSU ever got a playoff spot.

OK, so I stand partially corrected. The selection committee claims strength of schedule is a significant factor. But I doubt that's all keeping UCF or BSU out of consideration. No directional school or school named for a town nobody's been to is going to get selected no matter who they play during the season. If you don't have the name, you ain't getting the fame.

And yeah, to be fair, I know that when basketball ranking come along, UNC, Duke, etc. are going to get ranking priority over Southwest Central Idaho State. But the difference in basketball is that at the end of the year, there's a real tournament and 60 teams get to play. Before March Madness, there are conference tournaments where SCIS can win a spot to the big dance. You can be UNC and "ranked" #1 on February 28, and gone home by March 15. Or maybe you're Gonzaga, who most people probably couldn't' find on a map, losing by only 6 to the storied Carolina program.

No place for Cinderellas in the football playoffs.

you just can't compare the two sports. can you imagine football with 2 games every week and with all the different playoffs. nfl players wouldn't survive, much kids college grades

[O Really]

I think there should be at least an 8-team college football playoff.

OK, so I stand partially corrected. The selection committee claims strength of schedule is a significant factor. But I doubt that's all keeping UCF or BSU out of consideration. No directional school or school named for a town nobody's been to is going to get selected no matter who they play during the season. If you don't have the name, you ain't getting the fame....

What's a "directional school"?
"nobody's been to" Auburn, Stanford or Clemson.

Directional school: "Northern Something State", "East Carolina" Central Florida.

I don't think Stanford or Clemson was named for the town; don't know about Auburn, but none of those are Boise. Boise State may be an excellent school, and for all I know Boise is a great place to live, but as a name, Boise State is right up there with Muni Jr College.

[O Really]

you just can't compare the two sports. can you imagine football with 2 games every week and with all the different playoffs. nfl players wouldn't survive, much kids college grades

And yet, the Div II teams seem to manage it.

[O Really]

Or maybe we could just enjoy those glorious fall afternoons with a tailgate, watching a game, and partying afterward, win or lose.

Spoken like a true UNC fan.

Fershure. But I doubt the UNC alum memories of Saturdays at Kenan are any less fond than those who spent theirs at Ann Arbor or wherever.

[Vrede too]

And yet, the Div II teams seem to manage it.

Div I FCS, too. The ONLY hindrance is that they have not figured out how to make as much money off of playoffs as they do the anachronistic bowls.

[Vrede too]

Idk about Auburn, Stanford or Clemson, either, just yanking your chain.

... No directional school or school named for a town nobody's been to is going to get selected no matter who they play during the season. If you don't have the name, you ain't getting the fame....

Directional school: "Northern Something State", "East Carolina" Central Florida.

Ah.

University of Southern California
West Virginia
South Carolina
North Carolina

Well, maybe those last two aren't good examples of schools that will ever get selected.

[Vrede too]

Okay, that's now convinced me that you're not obsessive.

your pick for obsessive

1) mine and boat's family members who quietly watch and enjoy their fox because it is fair and balanced but who will riot in the streets if the fake lame stream media tries to steal trumps 2nd term by not reinstalling him

2) the people who loudly object to trump and see that his saying he would not concede if he loses as an attack on our democracy

“you just can't compare the two”

1) A football team that may have oversold itself in the past, never getting a playoff spot and not really harming anyone.

2) An attack on our democracy.

Aside: Not counting Nazis, the KKK and 45SHOLE's failed ode to military dictatorship, there are no bad reasons for a parade.

[O Really]

South Carolina
North Carolina

Well, maybe those last two aren't good examples of schools that will ever get selected.

Certainly not UNC - they didn't even get a pity rating (20-something) with a 2-0 record and under the legendary (158-48 lifetime) Mack Brown. One could argue that the games since then show they didn't deserve even a pity rating, but at the time...

[Vrede too]

Certainly not UNC - they didn't even get a pity rating (20-something) with a 2-0 record and under the legendary (158-48 lifetime) Mack Brown. One could argue that the games since then show they didn't deserve even a pity rating, but at the time...

No ranking after those squeakers might say more about Miami this year and South Carolina every year than they do about UNC.

[billy.pilgrim]

Okay, that's now convinced me that you're not obsessive.

your pick for obsessive

1) mine and boat's family members who quietly watch and enjoy their fox because it is fair and balanced but who will riot in the streets if the fake lame stream media tries to steal trumps 2nd term by not reinstalling him

2) the people who loudly object to trump and see that his saying he would not concede if he loses as an attack on our democracy

“you just can't compare the two”

1) A football team that may have oversold itself in the past, never getting a playoff spot and not really harming anyone.

2) An attack on our democracy.

Aside: Not counting Nazis, the KKK and 45SHOLE's failed ode to military dictatorship, there are no bad reasons for a parade.

okay, parades are great, even the "participation trophy" parades done out of unsportsmanlike spite because you weren't good enough to win, or didn't accomplish anything.

[billy.pilgrim]

you just can't compare the two sports. can you imagine football with 2 games every week and with all the different playoffs. nfl players wouldn't survive, much kids college grades

And yet, the Div II teams seem to manage it.

Div11 plays 2 games per week?


do you really think students could play 40 football games per season?

[Vrede too]

Go:

@Maryland +6 (12)Penn St, Fri 09/27 08:00 PM, I know that it will work this time .
@(15)California (4-0) -4.5 Arizona St, Fri 09/27 10:30 PM, playoffs baby.
@N. Carolina +25.5 (1)Clemson, just like Nov 2020 Blue > Orange.
@(17)Washington -9.5 (21)USC, knock it back out of the rankings.
@(10)Notre Dame -11 (18)Virginia (4-0). Not sure about this one, an unbeaten Virginia trouncing Clemson in the ACC championship would be a beautiful thing. I may let the final Vegas swing, no matter how small, decide for me. Opinions?
@Oklahoma St -4 (24)Kansas St, knock it back out of the rankings.
Mississippi St +10.5 @(7)Auburn. Could happen.
Connecticut +42 @(22)UCF, won't run up the score like SEC teams do .
Washington St +6 @(19)Utah, knock it out of the rankings.

Back down to 2 games between ranked opponents and only five games with a single digit spread .

[O Really]

you just can't compare the two sports. can you imagine football with 2 games every week and with all the different playoffs. nfl players wouldn't survive, much kids college grades

And yet, the Div II teams seem to manage it.

Div11 plays 2 games per week?


do you really think students could play 40 football games per season?

Sorry, no. I mean Div II manages to run a real playoff tournament with more than four teams.

[Vrede too]

Division I FCS tournament: 24 teams
Division II Football Championship: 28 teams
Division III Football Championship: 32 teams

Every year 84 colleges do what BCS schools say can't be done.

[billy.pilgrim]

you just can't compare the two sports. can you imagine football with 2 games every week and with all the different playoffs. nfl players wouldn't survive, much kids college grades

And yet, the Div II teams seem to manage it.

Div11 plays 2 games per week?


do you really think students could play 40 football games per season?

Sorry, no. I mean Div II manages to run a real playoff tournament with more than four teams.

tough to imagine that 8 teams woun't leave just as many crying on the outside. should it be 16?

[billy.pilgrim]

Division I FCS tournament: 24 teams
Division II Football Championship: 28 teams
Division III Football Championship: 32 teams

Every year 84 colleges do what BCS schools say can't be done.

at 32 teams, how many will choose to game the system by holding back until the playoffs

this entire #1 playoff conversation has nothing to do with going to or watching college football games. It's all about the business of selling. I was fine before the playoff bs and have come full circle back to that position.

I love reviews and the new safty rules.
Overtime sucks, what was wrong with a tie?
New Year's Day should be filled with the best games of the year, with all games starting at various times.

[Vrede too]

tough to imagine that 8 teams woun't leave just as many crying on the outside. should it be 16?

Yes and no. It is harder for #9 to claim that it could have won it all than it is for #5. 16 teams would be great, but it took us forever to get just 4. We may have to accept 8 or even 6 first.

at 32 teams, how many will choose to game the system by holding back until the playoffs

They risk not making the field or getting a poor seed.

this entire #1 playoff conversation has nothing to do with going to or watching college football games. It's all about the business of selling.

Slap "Bowl" on a crappy, meaningless game between 7-5 teams (or even 5-7 some years) and it makes more money than it otherwise could.

I was fine before the playoff bs and have come full circle back to that position.

There were real and frequent controversies over who was #1.

... Overtime sucks, what was wrong with a tie?

Blue balls.

[O Really]

I favour a real tournament if you're going to end up calling somebody "National Champion." That title should be earned on the field. But in retrospect, the old system wasn't that awful. Sure, you had different "champions" in different polls sometimes, and the result did often end up fueling many a bar and backyard argument, but it was good entertainment for all. And as billy.p says, New Years Day was a lot more interesting. If you won the Rose, Cotton, Sugar, or Orange Bowl, you could consider yourself one of the top teams, and if anybody said they were better than you, well, that's just their opinion. You had to win your conference to get there, and "everybody knows" the Big 10, PAC-10, SEC, SW, yada is better than the others.

But for a "National Champion" - have a tournament or don't use the name.

[billy.pilgrim]

I favour a real tournament if you're going to end up calling somebody "National Champion." That title should be earned on the field. But in retrospect, the old system wasn't that awful. Sure, you had different "champions" in different polls sometimes, and the result did often end up fueling many a bar and backyard argument, but it was good entertainment for all. And as billy.p says, New Years Day was a lot more interesting. If you won the Rose, Cotton, Sugar, or Orange Bowl, you could consider yourself one of the top teams, and if anybody said they were better than you, well, that's just their opinion. You had to win your conference to get there, and "everybody knows" the Big 10, PAC-10, SEC, SW, yada is better than the others.

But for a "National Champion" - have a tournament or don't use the name.

Agreed