Fucking cops

[billy.pilgrim]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/after ... li=BBnb4R7

Lucky me, I don't have any childhood memories of being subdued, zip tied, arrested for battery, hauled down to the station by some stranger cop and finger printed. I don’t even have a memory of getting a mug-shot like this little 6 year old child.

Is this piece of shit cop just another lone bad apple
Or is he pretty much standard fare for cops in our country.

[Vrede too]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/after ... li=BBnb4R7

Lucky me, I don't have any childhood memories of being subdued, zip tied, arrested for battery, hauled down to the station by some stranger cop and finger printed. I don’t even have a memory of getting a mug-shot like this little 6 year old child.

Is this piece of shit cop just another lone bad apple
Or is he pretty much standard fare for cops in our country.

I read about and was outraged by the same thing, considered posting it here. This article is an update:

School resource officer fired after arresting (two!) 6-year-olds

Fwiw, I've been kicked by 6 year-olds and never once called the cops. I figure it's only fair when I'm giving them a shot.

[billy.pilgrim]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/after ... li=BBnb4R7

Lucky me, I don't have any childhood memories of being subdued, zip tied, arrested for battery, hauled down to the station by some stranger cop and finger printed. I don’t even have a memory of getting a mug-shot like this little 6 year old child.

Is this piece of shit cop just another lone bad apple
Or is he pretty much standard fare for cops in our country.

I read about and was outraged by the same thing, considered posting it here. This article is an update:

School resource officer fired after arresting (two!) 6-year-olds

Fwiw, I've been kicked by 6 year-olds and never once called the cops. I figure it's only fair when I'm giving them a shot.

I taught elementary school way back when. I was possibly kicked once or twice, but it wouldn't have been a big deal

Great that he was fired. Too bad that all he has to do is move to another police force for his next job.

[PeacefulPartier]

Do you think she'd have been arrested if we didn't live in such a law suite happy society?

[O Really]

Do you think she'd have been arrested if we didn't live in such a law suite happy society?

Dunno. Maybe not. But if not, then all those law "suites" have apparently had a positive impact.

[neoplacebo]

Do you think she'd have been arrested if we didn't live in such a law suite happy society?

Dunno. Maybe not. But if not, then all those law "suites" have apparently had a positive impact.

I am assuming the "she" you refer to is the kid. The more pertinent question is "do you think she would have been arrested if the cop hadn't been such a fucking stupid dumbass ignorant bastard?" His boss thinks not, as he was fired for it. Maybe he learned something, but I'm suspicious.

[PeacefulPartier]

Do you think she'd have been arrested if we didn't live in such a law suite happy society?

Dunno. Maybe not. But if not, then all those law "suites" have apparently had a positive impact.

I love typos....their fun.

[PeacefulPartier]

Do you think she'd have been arrested if we didn't live in such a law suite happy society?

Dunno. Maybe not. But if not, then all those law "suites" have apparently had a positive impact.

I am assuming the "she" you refer to is the kid. The more pertinent question is "do you think she would have been arrested if the cop hadn't been such a fucking stupid dumbass ignorant bastard?" His boss thinks not, as he was fired for it. Maybe he learned something, but I'm suspicious.

You know, I was trying to add another dimension to this topic. Maybe we could have discussed that instead of resorting to name calling. Probably not.

[neoplacebo]

Do you think she'd have been arrested if we didn't live in such a law suite happy society?

Dunno. Maybe not. But if not, then all those law "suites" have apparently had a positive impact.

I am assuming the "she" you refer to is the kid. The more pertinent question is "do you think she would have been arrested if the cop hadn't been such a fucking stupid dumbass ignorant bastard?" His boss thinks not, as he was fired for it. Maybe he learned something, but I'm suspicious.

You know, I was trying to add another dimension to this topic. Maybe we could have discussed that instead of resorting to name calling. Probably not.

Well, now, pardon me all over the place. But if I were the chief of police in that community I can easily imagine myself telling that officer pretty much exactly what I posted above.....and then fired him. And I probably would have uttered other obscenities under my breath as he walked out the door. And what's with you and this "name calling" shit? I didn't call you a name......but I will if you want. Are you a man or a woman? I want to get this right.

And, no, you weren't "trying to add another dimension" to anything. You were trying to be snarky and failed at it. Maybe if your six year old was hauled to the police station and photographed and fingerprinted you'd feel different. I sort of think you don't have any kids. And I sort of think you don't think treating that kid that way was an "invasion of privacy" either. Have you any idea of what being arrested and fingerprinted is about? It can't be made to go away; it stays with you. And you see nothing wrong with this being done to a six year old? Wow

[PeacefulPartier]

Do you think she'd have been arrested if we didn't live in such a law suite happy society?

Dunno. Maybe not. But if not, then all those law "suites" have apparently had a positive impact.

I am assuming the "she" you refer to is the kid. The more pertinent question is "do you think she would have been arrested if the cop hadn't been such a fucking stupid dumbass ignorant bastard?" His boss thinks not, as he was fired for it. Maybe he learned something, but I'm suspicious.

You know, I was trying to add another dimension to this topic. Maybe we could have discussed that instead of resorting to name calling. Probably not.

Well, now, pardon me all over the place. But if I were the chief of police in that community I can easily imagine myself telling that officer pretty much exactly what I posted above.....and then fired him. And I probably would have uttered other obscenities under my breath as he walked out the door. And what's with you and this "name calling" shit? I didn't call you a name......but I will if you want. Are you a man or a woman? I want to get this right.

What is with me an name calling? I don't know. I just like to have rational conversations about topics. I don't see the value in degrading people to make a point. I guess I was trying to help you be better at debating. If you want, I'll just ignore you.

Side note: Isn't it the liberal thing to do to respect people? Isn't that the cornerstone of liberalism? If so, then how does degrading people fit in with that?

[neoplacebo]

Dunno. Maybe not. But if not, then all those law "suites" have apparently had a positive impact.

I am assuming the "she" you refer to is the kid. The more pertinent question is "do you think she would have been arrested if the cop hadn't been such a fucking stupid dumbass ignorant bastard?" His boss thinks not, as he was fired for it. Maybe he learned something, but I'm suspicious.

You know, I was trying to add another dimension to this topic. Maybe we could have discussed that instead of resorting to name calling. Probably not.

Well, now, pardon me all over the place. But if I were the chief of police in that community I can easily imagine myself telling that officer pretty much exactly what I posted above.....and then fired him. And I probably would have uttered other obscenities under my breath as he walked out the door. And what's with you and this "name calling" shit? I didn't call you a name......but I will if you want. Are you a man or a woman? I want to get this right.

What is with me an name calling? I don't know. I just like to have rational conversations about topics. I don't see the value in degrading people to make a point. I guess I was trying to help you be better at debating. If you want, I'll just ignore you.

Side note: Isn't it the liberal thing to do to respect people? Isn't that the cornerstone of liberalism? If so, then how does degrading people fit in with that?

Asking if the kid would have been arrested were it not for the prevalence of lawsuits is not what I consider part of a rational conversation. I consider it an affirmation of your approval of a fascist state where authority is not to be questioned under any circumstances. I can have a rational conversation about pretty much anything. And I can be a formidable adversary if I think you're gaslighting me. Take your choice. I am equally at ease in either situation. And, no, it's not a "liberal thing" to respect people; it's just common courtesy. Some people don't deserve respect; like the cop who arrested the kid. His boss didn't give him much respect when he fired him, did he? As for degrading people, some people need to be degraded to make sure they don't continue their mistakes.

Side note; you didn't say if you're a man or a woman. This is a rational query made for a rational purpose. Try to be rational about it.

[neoplacebo]

trump degrades people who don't worship him on a daily basis. Send him a note about it.

[PeacefulPartier]

I am assuming the "she" you refer to is the kid. The more pertinent question is "do you think she would have been arrested if the cop hadn't been such a fucking stupid dumbass ignorant bastard?" His boss thinks not, as he was fired for it. Maybe he learned something, but I'm suspicious.

You know, I was trying to add another dimension to this topic. Maybe we could have discussed that instead of resorting to name calling. Probably not.

Well, now, pardon me all over the place. But if I were the chief of police in that community I can easily imagine myself telling that officer pretty much exactly what I posted above.....and then fired him. And I probably would have uttered other obscenities under my breath as he walked out the door. And what's with you and this "name calling" shit? I didn't call you a name......but I will if you want. Are you a man or a woman? I want to get this right.

What is with me an name calling? I don't know. I just like to have rational conversations about topics. I don't see the value in degrading people to make a point. I guess I was trying to help you be better at debating. If you want, I'll just ignore you.

Side note: Isn't it the liberal thing to do to respect people? Isn't that the cornerstone of liberalism? If so, then how does degrading people fit in with that?

Asking if the kid would have been arrested were it not for the prevalence of lawsuits is not what I consider part of a rational conversation. I consider it an affirmation of your approval of a fascist state where authority is not to be questioned under any circumstances.

Why would you make that leap? I was asking if an overly litigious society has unintended consequences. How does that turn into me supporting a fascist state?

I can have a rational conversation about pretty much anything.

This conversation really makes me doubt that. I'm not trying to offend your sensibilities. You implied I was fascist for asking a question. That isn't exactly a rational behavior.

And I can be a formidable adversary if I think you're gaslighting me. Take your choice. I am equally at ease in either situation. And, no, it's not a "liberal thing" to respect people; it's just common courtesy. Some people don't deserve respect; like the cop who arrested the kid.

I still have to wonder why the cop would arrest the girl. I have to think that the officer thought he/she was doing the job because he/she was called by the school about that child. There is a chance someone could call it assault (a stretch given the age and size of the offender) and if the cop did nothing, who would have questioned him? I just have sympathy for people in uniform these days because they can't make a decision that won't get them in trouble in a lot of instances.

His boss didn't give him much respect when he fired him, did he? As for degrading people, some people need to be degraded to make sure they don't continue their mistakes.

People frequently lose their jobs because of negative publicity. That doesn't mean the "boss" disagreed with their actions.

[Vrede too]

Dunno. Maybe not. But if not, then all those law "suites" have apparently had a positive impact.

Yep, it's a really, really stupid question. The worry of a "law suite [sic]" should have prevented this idiotic arrest that will now probably lead to a successful "law suite [sic]".

I am assuming the "she" you refer to is the kid. The more pertinent question is "do you think she would have been arrested if the cop hadn't been such a fucking stupid dumbass ignorant bastard?" His boss thinks not, as he was fired for it. Maybe he learned something, but I'm suspicious.

Aside from being a con, which is a separate disability, PP consistently suffers from an extreme logic deficit. It’s like s/he first decides what to be outraged about then desperately tries to twist circumstances to fit her/his outrage.

... I didn't call you a name......but I will if you want. Are you a man or a woman? I want to get this right....

I find that “whiny asshole” works for all genders.

The fired cop degraded himself and is not deserving of any “respect”, as neoplacebo says, duh. Screeching at neoplacebo for adding color commentary is dumb. Do tell us why you “respect” child abusers. This should be good.

[neoplacebo]

You know, I was trying to add another dimension to this topic. Maybe we could have discussed that instead of resorting to name calling. Probably not.

Well, now, pardon me all over the place. But if I were the chief of police in that community I can easily imagine myself telling that officer pretty much exactly what I posted above.....and then fired him. And I probably would have uttered other obscenities under my breath as he walked out the door. And what's with you and this "name calling" shit? I didn't call you a name......but I will if you want. Are you a man or a woman? I want to get this right.

What is with me an name calling? I don't know. I just like to have rational conversations about topics. I don't see the value in degrading people to make a point. I guess I was trying to help you be better at debating. If you want, I'll just ignore you.

Side note: Isn't it the liberal thing to do to respect people? Isn't that the cornerstone of liberalism? If so, then how does degrading people fit in with that?

Asking if the kid would have been arrested were it not for the prevalence of lawsuits is not what I consider part of a rational conversation. I consider it an affirmation of your approval of a fascist state where authority is not to be questioned under any circumstances.

Why would you make that leap? I was asking if an overly litigious society has unintended consequences. How does that turn into me supporting a fascist state?

I can have a rational conversation about pretty much anything.

This conversation really makes me doubt that. I'm not trying to offend your sensibilities. You implied I was fascist for asking a question. That isn't exactly a rational behavior.

And I can be a formidable adversary if I think you're gaslighting me. Take your choice. I am equally at ease in either situation. And, no, it's not a "liberal thing" to respect people; it's just common courtesy. Some people don't deserve respect; like the cop who arrested the kid.

I still have to wonder why the cop would arrest the girl. I have to think that the officer thought he/she was doing the job because he/she was called by the school about that child. There is a chance someone could call it assault (a stretch given the age and size of the offender) and if the cop did nothing, who would have questioned him? I just have sympathy for people in uniform these days because they can't make a decision that won't get them in trouble in a lot of instances.

His boss didn't give him much respect when he fired him, did he? As for degrading people, some people need to be degraded to make sure they don't continue their mistakes.

People frequently lose their jobs because of negative publicity. That doesn't mean the "boss" disagreed with their actions.

Well, the cop that arrested the kid was apparently not thinking about the possibility of a lawsuit as a result of it. And he probably didn't expect that he would lose his job as a result of it. All that proves is that the cop tends to act impulsively without regard to whether his actions were warranted. I've never been a cop but I can safely say that I would not arrest, transport, photograph, and fingerprint a six year old. You were the one defending, or seeming to, defend his actions. That's what made me think you may be a fascist who believes authority should not be questioned under any circumstances. How is that a "leap" to a conclusion? You pretty much led yourself into the possibility of being a fascist. But if you're ok with having your six year old treated this way, that's certainly your right. Stick with it. I didn't imply you were fascist because you asked a question; I implied it because of your own words. Read it again. My ability to engage in rational conversation? Read my previous sentences in this post above to address that. Then you go on to say "I still have to wonder why the cop would arrest the girl." Really? That's not what you started this whole thing about; you denigrated the concept of the entire affair over the possibility the parents would file a lawsuit over it. Make up your mind. As for cops doing their job, I'm all for it. I don't think that's what happened in this case, and neither did the chief (this is where my "name calling" came in). It's touching that you have sympathy for cops; so do I. They have to deal with some bad and dangerous situations. But that's not what we're discussing here. You're straying from rationality on that; see, I am quite rational. And this cop did not lose his job over negative publicity; he lost his job because he was a fucking dumbass. Here's where I become suspicious of you being a fascist, again......you say "that doesn't mean the boss disagreed with their actions." Now, to me, that means you place more credence in authority no matter what instead of using common sense and discretion. If you think I am irrational for that, well, you really are a fascist. How about that? I still don't know if you're a fascist bitch or a fascist son of a bitch, though. And I don't really care.

[Vrede too]

... That's what made me think you may be a fascist who believes authority should not be questioned under any circumstances. How is that a "leap" to a conclusion? You pretty much led yourself into the possibility of being a fascist.

You were not wrong. Ignore the whiny backtracking.

... That's not what you started this whole thing about; you denigrated the concept of the entire affair over the possibility the parents would file a lawsuit over it.

On the contrary, PP bizarrely suggested that some unnamed person or entity might have filed "a law suite [sic]" if the cop DIDN'T arrest the child.

Make up your mind. As for cops doing their job, I'm all for it. I don't think that's what happened in this case, and neither did the chief (this is where my "name calling" came in)....

Yeah, PP is just desperately reaching with, "People frequently lose their jobs because of negative publicity." Cops don't get immediately fired unless they've actually screwed up royally, and often not then. PP is floundering and desperately trying to escape by smearing you and us with a wussy 'anti-cop' straw man.
Edit: Opps, I see that you already figured out and posted the same thing. Great minds . . .

[neoplacebo]

... That's what made me think you may be a fascist who believes authority should not be questioned under any circumstances. How is that a "leap" to a conclusion? You pretty much led yourself into the possibility of being a fascist.

You were not wrong. Ignore the whiny backtracking.

... That's not what you started this whole thing about; you denigrated the concept of the entire affair over the possibility the parents would file a lawsuit over it.

On the contrary, PP bizarrely suggested that some unnamed person or entity might have filed "a law suite [sic]" if the cop DIDN'T arrest the child.

Make up your mind. As for cops doing their job, I'm all for it. I don't think that's what happened in this case, and neither did the chief (this is where my "name calling" came in)....

Yeah, PP is just desperately reaching with, "People frequently lose their jobs because of negative publicity." Cops don't get immediately fired unless they've actually screwed up royally, and often not then. PP is floundering and desperately trying to escape by smearing you and us with a wussy 'anti-cop' straw man.
Edit: Opps, I see that you already figured out and posted the same thing. Great minds . . .

Goddamn, you mean pp was suggesting someone would file a suit if the kid WAS NOT arrested? Mother of babbling god, the fucker really is a fascist.

[O Really]

It's sometimes fun to take an opposing point of view as devil's advocate, or just for the sport of discussion. But there really isn't any "new dimension" to the issue of handcuffing and arresting a 6-year old for misbehaving in school. Whether we have an "overly litigious" society hasn't been established, and certainly not with regard to the number or quality of lawsuits over child abuse. One could hypothesize that the cop acted as he did because he feared some negative action if he did nothing, but that seems very unlikely. I'm having a hard time imagining how that might have gone through the cop's mind: "Hmmm, I've got a bratty 6-year old here. If I just make sure she doesn't hurt anybody, we give her time to calm down, and then walk her out of class, I'll probably get fired/sued/flogged... or, if I arrest her, haul her little ass out in handcuffs and charge her with something, her parents and the school will really appreciate my heroic action." Naaa. He didn't think at all - just reacted according to his nature to immediately escalate conflict, not resolve it.

[O Really]

So you've got a 6-year old having a tantrum. And she kicks you. How bad could this be? Little kid, probably wearing sneakers, probably not an MMA-worthy strike. Maybe the cop should have just tattled to the teacher.

[billy.pilgrim]

He will get his chance for payback in his next cop job in the town 20 miles down the road.