Gun Legislation

[O Really]

So now we know the latest thing that added to his anger. The article referred to him as "disgruntled" which he likely was - but maybe not until after he was canned. Maybe he was heading back to the company and not to the theatre. But it looks likely he was on his way somewhere, and loaded for bear.
Still suspicious about the "stopped for no turn signal" though.

[neoplacebo]

So now we know the latest thing that added to his anger. The article referred to him as "disgruntled" which he likely was - but maybe not until after he was canned. Maybe he was heading back to the company and not to the theatre. But it looks likely he was on his way somewhere, and loaded for bear.
Still suspicious about the "stopped for no turn signal" though.

Well, not using a turn signal is among one of my lesser violations but I actually did get "pulled over" for not using one here in TN about two years ago; was sitting at a red light with a city cop facing me on the other side of the red light; we were both going to turn left (he had his signal on) and when the light changed to green I waved for him to go on but he just sat there. So I went on and turned left and instead of him making his left, he took a right and put the evil blue lights on me from behind so I pulled into the turn only lane, again using no signal, and waited for him to come harass me about it. Before he even said anything, I told him my left signal was out (true) and I just happened to have the bulb for fixing it in the console and showed it to him. He gave me his best cop look of disdain and general contempt and let me go; never even asked me for my driver license, which is still from NC even though I have TN tags on my car. I call it double victory. Currently my left signal works great but the right one is out. In any case, the moral of the story is that one does get pulled over for not using a signal, depending on how hungry the cop is, what time it is, and whether he's had sufficient citizen contact for the month or not. I don't recommend using a signal and then not turning, either, Cops hate that equally well if not more.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaZGaJrd3x8

[O Really]

Still suspicious about the "stopped for no turn signal" though.

Well, not using a turn signal is among one of my lesser violations but I actually did get "pulled over" for not using one here in TN about two years ago;
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Yeah, that's what I'm saying - you got pulled for misdemeanour cop-annoyance and the turn signal was just the technical excuse. I'm guessing Odessa guy also did something to attract the cop's attention.

[Vrede too]

I suppose one possibility is that he was on his way to do a mass shooting when he failed to signal, maybe even at that movie theater where he was killed. Sure seems that he was emotionally and physically prepared for one.

That may be the best theory yet.

Still possible, maybe even more likely:

Texas shooting: Gunman was fired from job hours before rampage, officials say
Disgruntled employee went on shooting spree killing seven after being fired from truck company

Even more:

Texas gunman was fired from job, called FBI (and police) before shooting

It's unclear what was said or if it had anything to do with him being pulled over, but it's sure looking like he already had something terrible in mind.

[Vrede too]

The petition to Congress reads:

"Enough is enough. We need real gun control now."

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Police chief sees no issue offering AR-15 as top raffle prize

... On Monday, Gov. Roy Cooper signed executive orders calling for the State Bureau of Investigation to update the National Instant Criminal Background Check System. Last year, Cooper asked the agency to look closer at the way the state shares information. Through this effort, more than 284,000 criminal convictions were uncovered that had previously not been reported. Cooper said he hopes this will be a positive step in enacting stricter gun legislation in an interview with the News & Observer last week....

Wait, NC Repug govt had obstructed the legally mandated accuracy of background checks for years? I'm shocked, shocked I tell you. Well, I'm sure that this can't be true in other red and perhaps some blue states, right? Right?


El Paso was karma for Walmart:

Walmart's political group has given millions to GOP lawmakers who oppose gun control measures

Now, they've already forsaken some of their guns and ammo profits thanks to their cruel shortsightedness.

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March for Our Lives: A Peace Plan for a Safer America.

Support the March for Our Lives gun plan
Petition to Congress

[O Really]

Good article on open carry ...
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/w ... cna1054396

[Vrede too]

Good article on open carry ...
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/w ... cna1054396

Thanks.

Right-to-carry laws lead to more violent crime: Isn’t that a huge surprise?
The NRA wants everyone to buy guns and carry them — but research shows that violence rises when people pack heat

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Back-To-School Essentials | Sandy Hook Promise



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[neoplacebo]

Gee, Colt is going to stop making the AR-15 which surprises the hell out of me. This will start a wingnut meltdown and they will now have to pay
thousands of dollars for one.
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/colt-stop-man ... ories.html

[billy.pilgrim]

Gee, Colt is going to stop making the AR-15 which surprises the hell out of me. This will start a wingnut meltdown and they will now have to pay
thousands of dollars for one.
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/colt-stop-man ... ories.html

Or they took a page from Coke and bring it back next year due to the demand.

[neoplacebo]

Gee, Colt is going to stop making the AR-15 which surprises the hell out of me. This will start a wingnut meltdown and they will now have to pay
thousands of dollars for one.
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/colt-stop-man ... ories.html

Or they took a page from Coke and bring it back next year due to the demand.

It wouldn't hurt my feelings if they did a "new AR-15" that is worse by several orders of magnitude over the standard one.....it jams after the first shot and has to be disassembled to clear it, then emits a foul odor so bad that no one can stand to hold one.

[Vrede too]

Russians Used Greed to ‘Capture’ NRA, Senator Alleges in New Report

Greed and corruption at the top are nothing new. The real story here is how easily the uber-gullible Trumpettes and ammosexuals were turned into useful idiots for Putin, and that they don’t have the stones to admit it.

[O Really]

There are about 41 million gun owners in the US. Within the past year, 13 people have died using guns, and an additional 400 incidents have occurred resulting in injury. Within weeks, legislation has been introduced to further restrict access to guns and ban sales of certain ammunition. "Lawful gun owners" have resisted restriction, and insisted that current laws are sufficient. However, public outcry favors tight controls over the sale and use of guns, including some proposals to totally ban them.

Oh wait. Nevermind, that was vaping.

[Vrede too]

There are about 41 million gun owners in the US. Within the past year, 13 people have died using guns, and an additional 400 incidents have occurred resulting in injury. Within weeks, legislation has been introduced to further restrict access to guns and ban sales of certain ammunition. "Lawful gun owners" have resisted restriction, and insisted that current laws are sufficient. However, public outcry favors tight controls over the sale and use of guns, including some proposals to totally ban them.

Oh wait. Nevermind, that was vaping.

Excellent point.

Florida man shot and killed son-in-law in case of mistaken identity, sheriff says

A Florida man will not face charges after authorities said he accidentally shot and killed his son-in-law who had just flown to the U.S. from Norway as a birthday surprise....

Leave a kid in a hot car;
Accidentally run a red light;
Make a contracting error;
Drop something from a height;
Serve spoiled food;
Not lock the gate on your pool on your property when you don’t have kids;
Substitute “faith healing” for real medical care;
And so on. The “Opps defense” is commonly available to gun owners when it is not available to other negligent killers.

We've discussed other instances a time or two in the past, often but not always featuring O Really:

Leave a kid in a hot car;
Accidentally run a red light;
Make a contracting error;
Drop something from a height;
Serve spoiled food;
Not lock the gate on your pool on your property when you don’t have kids;
Substitute “faith healing” for real medical care;
And so on. The “Oops defense” is commonly available to gun owners when it is not available to other negligent killers.

http://www.blueridgedebate.com/forum/vi ... ense#p9599 11/22/12
http://www.blueridgedebate.com/forum/vi ... nse#p17287 2/11/13
http://www.blueridgedebate.com/forum/vi ... nse#p17786 2/22/13
http://www.blueridgedebate.com/forum/vi ... nse#p19926 3/26/13
http://www.blueridgedebate.com/forum/vi ... nse#p20809 4/18/13
http://www.blueridgedebate.com/forum/vi ... nse#p21965 4/30/13
http://www.blueridgedebate.com/forum/vi ... nse#p22012 5/1/13
http://www.blueridgedebate.com/forum/vi ... nse#p23806 6/9/13
http://www.blueridgedebate.com/forum/vi ... nse#p27451 8/13/13
http://www.blueridgedebate.com/forum/vi ... nse#p29623 10/22/13
http://www.blueridgedebate.com/forum/vi ... nse#p38273 6/20/14
http://www.blueridgedebate.com/forum/vi ... nse#p39778 8/19/14
http://www.blueridgedebate.com/forum/vi ... nse#p43861 12/17/14
http://www.blueridgedebate.com/forum/vi ... nse#p51895 6/25/15
http://www.blueridgedebate.com/forum/vi ... nse#p52085 6/29/15
http://www.blueridgedebate.com/forum/vi ... nse#p56940 12/31/15
http://www.blueridgedebate.com/forum/vi ... nse#p59783 3/9/16
http://www.blueridgedebate.com/forum/vi ... nse#p61214 5/3/16
http://www.blueridgedebate.com/forum/vi ... nse#p75954 6/11/17
http://www.blueridgedebate.com/forum/vi ... nse#p91235 12/17/18
http://www.blueridgedebate.com/forum/vi ... nse#p94916 4/13/19

[O Really]

Thanks, but I may not stand on the same soapbox for this one. I might question whether the previous instances of the day justified the apparent anger/fear the guy had so as to go get and carry around his gun, but jumping out at somebody from a bush isn't the brightest thing to do in any case. There would have been no time to identify the person, as ostensibly he came out quickly and in darkish conditions. And in any case he had no way of knowing his son-in-law wasn't still out of country. If I ran the country, I'd probably still try to find something to charge him with, just because of the deadly personal injury, but I wouldn't call it negligent homicide. Maybe they'll add "I wuz startled" to the "I wuz skeered" defence.

[Vrede too]

Thanks, but I may not stand on the same soapbox for this one. I might question whether the previous instances of the day justified the apparent anger/fear the guy had so as to go get and carry around his gun, but jumping out at somebody from a bush isn't the brightest thing to do in any case. There would have been no time to identify the person, as ostensibly he came out quickly and in darkish conditions. And in any case he had no way of knowing his son-in-law wasn't still out of country. If I ran the country, I'd probably still try to find something to charge him with, just because of the deadly personal injury, but I wouldn't call it negligent homicide. Maybe they'll add "I wuz startled" to the "I wuz skeered" defence.

If you're that skeered that you're answering the door with a gun in your hand and your finger on the trigger, DON'T open the door until you know who it is and call the cops if they won't tell you. I think he wanted an excuse to kill the other relative that he'd argued with earlier.

Comment:

Betty White.

Yep, he white:


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... e-him.html

Pensacola - Friend or enemy of yours, billy.pilgrim?

[O Really]

If you're that skeered that you're answering the door with a gun in your hand and your finger on the trigger, DON'T open the door until you know who it is and call the cops if they won't tell you. I think he wanted an excuse to kill the other relative that he'd argued with earlier.

Could be. Even probably. But you have to rule on what actually happened, not what he thought might have. And what he did was shoot somebody jumping out the bushes at him. Again, I wouldn't personally let him totally off for it, but I do think he has a better story than most "skeered accidental" shooters do.