College basketball

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Regular season standings:

3 Gonzaga 29-2 won the West Coast . #1 seed?

5 San Diego State 28-1 won the Mountain West by a mile . #2 seed?

Atlantic Coast
2 games left in the regular season.
6 Florida State 14-4 24-5
11 Louisville 14-4 23-6
7 Duke 13-5 23-6
Virginia 13-5 21-7
Preferably Duke, but anyone besides Florida State!
Today 6:00 PM ET ACCN: Virginia Tech @11 Louisville.

8 Kentucky 24-5 won the SEC . #2 seed?
8 Kentucky 14-2 24-5
15 Auburn 11-5 24-5
LSU 11-5 20-9

Big Ten
2 games left in the regular season.
9 Maryland 13-5 23-6
24 Michigan State 12-6 20-9
Illinois 11-6 19-9
Wisconsin 11-6 18-10
16 Penn State 11-7 21-8
18 Iowa 11-7 20-9

Pac-12
2 games left in the regular season.
UCLA 12-5 19-11
14 Oregon 11-5 22-7
21 Colorado 10-6 21-8
Arizona State 10-6 19-10
USC 10-7 21-9
Go Ducks, but Bruins and Buffaloes are okay, too. Funny that UCLA has the lead but is unranked.
Today 6:00 PM ET ESPN-U: 21 Colorado @Stanford.

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What do you know about projections?

Not much. But on the other hand, I have won pools in four years in two different offices. How's your record?

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Aztecs show ability to win from behind against a decent, if not great, team. Looks like we won't get that Dook match-up.

What do you know about projections?

Not much. But on the other hand, I have won pools in four years in two different offices. How's your record?

Touche, but that's not what I meant. You seem to have some insight on the brackets SDSU and Duke will be in.

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Aztecs show ability to win from behind against a decent, if not great, team. Looks like we won't get that Dook match-up.

What do you know about projections?

Not much. But on the other hand, I have won pools in four years in two different offices. How's your record?

Touche, but that's not what I meant. You seem to have some insight on the brackets SDSU and Duke will be in.

No, the only news we get here is about SDSU. I'm not sure there are other teams that will be playing.

But there was some hypothesis before the Aztecs lost their game that unless the 'Zags lost somewhere along the way, that SDSU would be sent to the East, and at that time it was a good guess that Duke would have been maybe #1. So if Duke was #1 and Aztecs were #2, there would be a reasonable expectation they could meet. Now Aztecs have lost one, Duke has dropped two, so whoknow?

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No, the only news we get here is about SDSU. I'm not sure there are other teams that will be playing.

But there was some hypothesis before the Aztecs lost their game that unless the 'Zags lost somewhere along the way, that SDSU would be sent to the East, and at that time it was a good guess that Duke would have been maybe #1. So if Duke was #1 and Aztecs were #2, there would be a reasonable expectation they could meet. Now Aztecs have lost one, Duke has dropped two, so whoknow?

Ah, could be any brackets for both now.

10 Creighton (22-7) 71, St. John's (15-14) 91. Nice.

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Pac-12
2 games left in the regular season.
UCLA 12-5 19-11
14 Oregon 11-5 22-7
21 Colorado 10-6 21-8
Arizona State 10-6 19-10
USC 10-7 21-9
Go Ducks, but Bruins and Buffaloes are okay, too. Funny that UCLA has the lead but is unranked.
Today 6:00 PM ET ESPN-U: 21 Colorado @Stanford.

21 Colorado (21-9) 64, Stanford (20-9) 72. Nope, won't even be ranked tomorrow.

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No, the only news we get here is about SDSU. I'm not sure there are other teams that will be playing. ...

NC teacher protest. prescient sign:

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AP Rankings

1 Kansas Jayhawks 26-3 Ugh.
2 Gonzaga Bulldogs 29-2 Up from #3. Cool. Go Sista O!
3 Dayton Flyers 27-2 :confusion-scratchheadblue:
4 Baylor Bears 25-3 Ugh, but down from #2.
5 San Diego State Aztecs 28-1
6 Kentucky Wildcats 24-5
7 Florida State Seminoles 24-5 Ugh.
8 Seton Hall Pirates 21-7 1145 13
9 Maryland Terrapins 23-6 No change, coulda been worse.
10 Louisville Cardinals 24-6
11 Creighton Bluejays 22-7
12 Duke Blue Devils 23-6 Way down from #7 .
13 Oregon Ducks 22-7

17 Auburn Tigers 24-5 Down from #15.

(27) UCLA Bruins 19-11 Getting close with a late season surge .

(29) East Tennessee State Buccaneers 27-4 Damn, neoplacebo, they might just get ranked. They won the Southern regular season.

(32) Colorado Buffaloes 21-9 Way down from #21

Zero votes still: Clemson, Miami FL, UNC.

NET Rankings
Used for seeding and for choosing among bubble teams.

1 Kansas 26-3 Ugh.
2 Gonzaga 29-2 Up from #3. Cool. Go Sista O!
3 Dayton 27-2 :confusion-scratchheadblue:
4 San Diego State 28-1
5 Baylor 25-3 Ugh.
6 Duke 23-6 No change, huh.
7 Michigan State 20-9 Ugh.
8 Louisville 24-6 () 9
9 BYU 24-7 Ugh.
10 Arizona 19-10

15 Maryland 23-6 No change, huh.

18 Oregon 22-7

22 Colorado 21-9

Still not ranked: Auburn 23-4 :confusion-scratchheadblue: Ouch.

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6:25 1st Half
NCSU 23, @12 Duke 25

Revenge or a further fall?

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Yay for revenge.

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AP Rankings

1 Kansas Jayhawks 26-3 Ugh.
2 Gonzaga Bulldogs 29-2 Up from #3. Cool. Go Sista O!
3 Dayton Flyers 27-2 :confusion-scratchheadblue:
4 Baylor Bears 25-3 Ugh, but down from #2.
5 San Diego State Aztecs 28-1
6 Kentucky Wildcats 24-5
7 Florida State Seminoles 24-5 Ugh.
8 Seton Hall Pirates 21-7 1145 13
9 Maryland Terrapins 23-6 No change, coulda been worse.
10 Louisville Cardinals 24-6
11 Creighton Bluejays 22-7
12 Duke Blue Devils 23-6 Way down from #7 .
13 Oregon Ducks 22-7

17 Auburn Tigers 24-5 Down from #15.

(27) UCLA Bruins 19-11 Getting close with a late season surge .

(29) East Tennessee State Buccaneers 27-4 Damn, neoplacebo, they might just get ranked. They won the Southern regular season.

(32) Colorado Buffaloes 21-9 Way down from #21

Zero votes still: Clemson, Miami FL, UNC.

NET Rankings
Used for seeding and for choosing among bubble teams.

1 Kansas 26-3 Ugh.
2 Gonzaga 29-2 Up from #3. Cool. Go Sista O!
3 Dayton 27-2 :confusion-scratchheadblue:
4 San Diego State 28-1
5 Baylor 25-3 Ugh.
6 Duke 23-6 No change, huh.
7 Michigan State 20-9 Ugh.
8 Louisville 24-6 () 9
9 BYU 24-7 Ugh.
10 Arizona 19-10

15 Maryland 23-6 No change, huh.

18 Oregon 22-7

22 Colorado 21-9

Still not ranked: Auburn 23-4 :confusion-scratchheadblue: Ouch.

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RPI has Auburn at #3. I suppose that ranking is one of the reasons that we are using the new system. Still, it appears that the new system, while better, needs a few tweaks of its own.


"Auburn will get into the tournament comfortably, though. Others might not be so lucky."


"Cincinnati Bearcats (RPI: 26, NET: 54)"


"The A-10 is typically a lock for multiple bids. It sent at least three teams to the Big Dance 11 consecutive times from 2008 to 2018. And while it only got two teams in during the NET's debut year, two is still multiple bids.

That streak might end, though. Dayton is in the mix for a No. 1 seed, but Rhode Island and Richmond are the only other viable at-large candidates, and both are hovering around the bubble.

That would be a different story if we were still using RPI.

There are six teams in the A-10 with fewer than 10 losses, and all six have worse NET rankings than RPI rankings."



"There's also a flip side to this coin. If Cincinnati, Rhode Island and Richmond would all be comfortably in the field while Akron, Furman and Saint Louis would at least be somewhere in the conversation as top-50 teams, which teams in (or close to) the projected field would be in significantly worse shape under the old system?

For starters, almost the entire Big Ten is thankful for the NET.

We can't seem to write off Purdue (NET No. 37) or Minnesota (No. 44), even though they are both sitting at .500 overall. But in the RPI—where the Boilermakers are No. 96 and the Golden Gophers are No. 99—they would've been dead and buried at least two weeks ago.

And those are just the big ones. Ohio State, Illinois, Penn State, Michigan, Rutgers and Michigan State would each be 15-23 spots worse in the RPI."


"Remember that note about the A-10's top six teams having a combined NET rank 121 spots lower than their RPI?

For the 14-team Big Ten, its combined NET rank is 323 spots higher.

The Big Ten has seven teams in the NET top 30, but it only has one team (Maryland) in the RPI top 30."


I didn't count but there have to be close to 20 teams with more losses than Auburn that have higher rankings. That is mostly Pearl's fault for not scheduling tougher early games, but based on the detailed areas the NET includes in it assessment maybe there should be some recognition of losses that come when a key player misses a couple of games due to a temporary condition. Two of Auburn's losses came when our top player missed 2 games.

A team like Duke losing 2 games because a player like Zion had the flu have to be treated differently than a straight up loss.

I like the new system but look forward to tweaks.

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RPI has Auburn at #3. I suppose that ranking is one of the reasons that we are using the new system. Still, it appears that the new system, while better, needs a few tweaks of its own.

... I like the new system but look forward to tweaks.

Thanks, very interesting. Pretty good chance I'll never look at it close enough to form my own opinions, other than that it'll be hard for me to ignore AP completely.

It would be fascinating post-MM to see which was the better predictor - AP, NET, RPI or coaches.

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Yay for revenge.

66 - 88 on 2/19, 69 - 88 last night . Huge home court advantages.
Duke, who plays UNC @Duke, is 1 game behind Louisville, who plays @#22 VA, both of their finales. It's 1/2 game behind FSU, who has @Notre Dame (18-11) and Boston (13-16) @FSU. Could easily end up being a 3-way tie, not sure who holds the tiebreaker.

Final - OT
Texas Tech 68, @4 Baylor 71
Awww, so close.

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https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/ ... 20%251%24s

RPI has Auburn at #3. I suppose that ranking is one of the reasons that we are using the new system. Still, it appears that the new system, while better, needs a few tweaks of its own.

... I like the new system but look forward to tweaks.

Thanks, very interesting. Pretty good chance I'll never look at it close enough to form my own opinions, other than that it'll be hard for me to ignore AP completely.

It would be fascinating post-MM to see which was the better predictor - AP, NET, RPI or coaches.

AP is usually reasonable

The new NET has to be, or become, better than the old RPI

The Coaches poll has always sucked. Coaches don't watch games enough to have an informed opinion.

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9 Maryland (23-6) @Rutgers (18-11), 7:00 PM ET BTN ( )

Tennessee (16-13) @6Kentucky (24-5) 9:00 PM ET ESPN. Go Vols.

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Halftime
9 Maryland 29, Rutgers 35
Ut-oh.

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Crap. Bye-bye top 10, bye-bye even #2 seed, maybe bye-bye Big Ten regular season Champ.

Tennessee 81 @6 Kentucky 73

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... I didn't count but there have to be close to 20 teams with more losses than Auburn that have higher rankings. That is mostly Pearl's fault for not scheduling tougher early games, but based on the detailed areas the NET includes in it assessment maybe there should be some recognition of losses that come when a key player misses a couple of games due to a temporary condition. Two of Auburn's losses came when our top player missed 2 games.

A team like Duke losing 2 games because a player like Zion had the flu have to be treated differently than a straight up loss.

I like the new system but look forward to tweaks.

Idk about that. Every team has injuries and teams should be rewarded for having strong benches. Bummer tonight, you ALMOST forced OT, again. 1st home loss. Losing to 14-14 TAMU might even knock you all the way out of the rankings from #17. All of our teams, except mostly for SDSU, are stumbling down the stretch.

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... I didn't count but there have to be close to 20 teams with more losses than Auburn that have higher rankings. That is mostly Pearl's fault for not scheduling tougher early games, but based on the detailed areas the NET includes in it assessment maybe there should be some recognition of losses that come when a key player misses a couple of games due to a temporary condition. Two of Auburn's losses came when our top player missed 2 games.

A team like Duke losing 2 games because a player like Zion had the flu have to be treated differently than a straight up loss.

I like the new system but look forward to tweaks.

Idk about that. Every team has injuries and teams should be rewarded for having durable starters and/or strong benches. Plus, deciding how much a particular player is worth to a team would be a morass.

Bummer tonight, you ALMOST forced OT, again. 1st home loss. Losing to 14-14 TAMU might even knock you all the way out of the rankings from #17. All of our teams, except mostly for SDSU, are stumbling down the stretch.

14 Villanova 79, @8 Seton Hall 77
7 Florida St 73 @Notre Dame 71. Arrgghh, that was FSU's only lead since it was 5-4.
3 Dayton just keeps winning .

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No, the only news we get here is about SDSU. I'm not sure there are other teams that will be playing. ...

Air Force 60 @5 SDSU 73