It depends on what part of the great nation you're looking at. Out here where I am, religion plays a nearly nonexistent role in local politics. I suppose a declared atheist might lose some votes in a local election, but he or she might gain just as many or more from those who are fed up with religious nonsense. People seem to be far more motivated by bread and butter issues, and things like human rights, the environment, and ... traffic...
I remember back in the early 80's meeting a young couple from NI. They were staying in the granny unit in the house I was renting. She was Protestant, he was Catholic. They said that they had come to the USA because it would have been very difficult for them to have a relationship back home. Nice kids. I gather things have eased off there since then, no?
I haven't traveled to the hinterlands of America for some years now. I remember in the early 90's traveling in the South that in some areas religion was a Big Deal. It still may be, but I suspect not as much now as then.
Thanks.
Is it an education thing..? The betterer edumacadeteder you are, the less religiouser you are?
And if so does this say much about US education and the political drivers of the curriculum.
FYI in UK it's a statutory requirement that all children, aged 6 to 18, are in a Christian assembly in school at least 3 times a week.
Fortunately, these fools don't affect me and I find theme easy to ignore and even disparage.
Your sister? Your granddaughter Patience, her family?
Your point? I don't advertise my beliefs nor try to foist them onto anyone else. Your point? Do you have one?
Your sister’s Christian beliefs, granddaughter Patience, her family. Do you think of them as fools, ignore them, think of them as being of little worth?
No, I don't think of them as fools nor do I ignore them or consider them having "little worth." Why the hell would I? Was that your point? An attempt to make me feel as if I disrespect them just because of their religious beliefs? Or that somehow I am guilty of some infraction against them because they may believe things I don't believe? The fact is you don't have a point; you, and your kind, go to great lengths to assign guilt to those who don't agree with your own version of the world. My sister got me a subscription to "Tabeltalk" which is some religious publication. I've gotten three issues of it so far and have read them.....they're just a 5 x 7 little booklet with titles on the front like "The Parables of Jesus" and "Fear" and "Misunderstood Doctrines" (my favorite). I consider this publication to be total bullshit but out of respect for my sister I do read them. If, at some point in the future, you have a point to make let me know. I am curious to know what it might be.
You’ve went against your initial statement, Neo.
It’s good that you read the books that your Christian sister got you a subscription to. You haven’t ignored and disparaged her.
Your sister? Your granddaughter Patience, her family?
Your point? I don't advertise my beliefs nor try to foist them onto anyone else. Your point? Do you have one?
Your sister’s Christian beliefs, granddaughter Patience, her family. Do you think of them as fools, ignore them, think of them as being of little worth?
No, I don't think of them as fools nor do I ignore them or consider them having "little worth." Why the hell would I? Was that your point? An attempt to make me feel as if I disrespect them just because of their religious beliefs? Or that somehow I am guilty of some infraction against them because they may believe things I don't believe? The fact is you don't have a point; you, and your kind, go to great lengths to assign guilt to those who don't agree with your own version of the world. My sister got me a subscription to "Tabeltalk" which is some religious publication. I've gotten three issues of it so far and have read them.....they're just a 5 x 7 little booklet with titles on the front like "The Parables of Jesus" and "Fear" and "Misunderstood Doctrines" (my favorite). I consider this publication to be total bullshit but out of respect for my sister I do read them. If, at some point in the future, you have a point to make let me know. I am curious to know what it might be.
You’ve went against your initial statement, Neo.
It’s good that you read the books that your Christian sister got you a subscription to. You haven’t ignored and disparaged her.
He hasn't ignored or disparaged her.
However, he's not made the error of taking that nonsense seriously.
Well done him.
That's how you move from "religion is normal" to "religion is an ok minority thing we can ignore" without hurting anyone.
Your sister? Your granddaughter Patience, her family?
Your point? I don't advertise my beliefs nor try to foist them onto anyone else. Your point? Do you have one?
Your sister’s Christian beliefs, granddaughter Patience, her family. Do you think of them as fools, ignore them, think of them as being of little worth?
No, I don't think of them as fools nor do I ignore them or consider them having "little worth." Why the hell would I? Was that your point? An attempt to make me feel as if I disrespect them just because of their religious beliefs? Or that somehow I am guilty of some infraction against them because they may believe things I don't believe? The fact is you don't have a point; you, and your kind, go to great lengths to assign guilt to those who don't agree with your own version of the world. My sister got me a subscription to "Tabeltalk" which is some religious publication. I've gotten three issues of it so far and have read them.....they're just a 5 x 7 little booklet with titles on the front like "The Parables of Jesus" and "Fear" and "Misunderstood Doctrines" (my favorite). I consider this publication to be total bullshit but out of respect for my sister I do read them. If, at some point in the future, you have a point to make let me know. I am curious to know what it might be.
You’ve went against your initial statement, Neo.
It’s good that you read the books that your Christian sister got you a subscription to. You haven’t ignored and disparaged her.
I went against my initial statement? The fact that I consider the religious publication and its contents to be bullshit does not mean that I think my sister is a fool. See, this is where your simplistic conception of things trips you up. You must have missed the part I posted about how I read the "bullshit" out of respect for my sister. If I did not have respect for her or her beliefs I would not have taken any of the "Tabletalk" bulletins out of their plastic wrappers and read them. Instead I would have immediately thrown them into the trash and made some sacreligious comment about it. Can you see the difference?
Your point? I don't advertise my beliefs nor try to foist them onto anyone else. Your point? Do you have one?
Your sister’s Christian beliefs, granddaughter Patience, her family. Do you think of them as fools, ignore them, think of them as being of little worth?
No, I don't think of them as fools nor do I ignore them or consider them having "little worth." Why the hell would I? Was that your point? An attempt to make me feel as if I disrespect them just because of their religious beliefs? Or that somehow I am guilty of some infraction against them because they may believe things I don't believe? The fact is you don't have a point; you, and your kind, go to great lengths to assign guilt to those who don't agree with your own version of the world. My sister got me a subscription to "Tabeltalk" which is some religious publication. I've gotten three issues of it so far and have read them.....they're just a 5 x 7 little booklet with titles on the front like "The Parables of Jesus" and "Fear" and "Misunderstood Doctrines" (my favorite). I consider this publication to be total bullshit but out of respect for my sister I do read them. If, at some point in the future, you have a point to make let me know. I am curious to know what it might be.
You’ve went against your initial statement, Neo.
It’s good that you read the books that your Christian sister got you a subscription to. You haven’t ignored and disparaged her.
I went against my initial statement? The fact that I consider the religious publication and its contents to be bullshit does not mean that I think my sister is a fool. See, this is where your simplistic conception of things trips you up. You must have missed the part I posted about how I read the "bullshit" out of respect for my sister. If I did not have respect for her or her beliefs I would not have taken any of the "Tabletalk" bulletins out of their plastic wrappers and read them. Instead I would have immediately thrown them into the trash and made some sacreligious comment about it. Can you see the difference?
Your sister’s Christian beliefs, granddaughter Patience, her family. Do you think of them as fools, ignore them, think of them as being of little worth?
No, I don't think of them as fools nor do I ignore them or consider them having "little worth." Why the hell would I? Was that your point? An attempt to make me feel as if I disrespect them just because of their religious beliefs? Or that somehow I am guilty of some infraction against them because they may believe things I don't believe? The fact is you don't have a point; you, and your kind, go to great lengths to assign guilt to those who don't agree with your own version of the world. My sister got me a subscription to "Tabeltalk" which is some religious publication. I've gotten three issues of it so far and have read them.....they're just a 5 x 7 little booklet with titles on the front like "The Parables of Jesus" and "Fear" and "Misunderstood Doctrines" (my favorite). I consider this publication to be total bullshit but out of respect for my sister I do read them. If, at some point in the future, you have a point to make let me know. I am curious to know what it might be.
You’ve went against your initial statement, Neo.
It’s good that you read the books that your Christian sister got you a subscription to. You haven’t ignored and disparaged her.
I went against my initial statement? The fact that I consider the religious publication and its contents to be bullshit does not mean that I think my sister is a fool. See, this is where your simplistic conception of things trips you up. You must have missed the part I posted about how I read the "bullshit" out of respect for my sister. If I did not have respect for her or her beliefs I would not have taken any of the "Tabletalk" bulletins out of their plastic wrappers and read them. Instead I would have immediately thrown them into the trash and made some sacreligious comment about it. Can you see the difference?
Fortunately, these fools don't affect me and I find theme easy to ignore and even disparage.
Obviously, your Christian sister still cares.
You never will get it, will you? The "initial statement" that you seize on and once again take out of context, was a statement in reply to limey's post about the "religious" aspect of the American voter and what role religion plays in American society in general. My statement was a general one disparaging religious hypocrites and bigots that use religion as a crutch to advance their own personal views on the rest of us or those who use religion as a weapon of convenience to use in their efforts to impose their religious beliefs on others. It has nothing to do with me or my relationships with members of my family. I attempted to explain this in the post you quote above from me that ends with me asking if you can see the difference. I should have known better; that you can't. Just to spell it out for you one last time......my sister and I are polar opposite in our outlook on religion. She knows my stance and I know hers. Neither of us "hate" the other one because of religious belief or lack of it. I am not trying to get her to renounce her faith, nor do I tell her she is a fool because of her beliefs. She affords me the same courtesy. Maybe you can grasp the grand concept of this by thinking of it this way: you seem to hate Democrats and go out of your way to find ways to belittle them and try to show how they are somehow "wrong." But you totally ignore the fact that more than a few of those Democrats hold religious beliefs identical to yours; they just don't use those beliefs to beat on others like you do. Or think of it in the sense of the "dirty cop" in which case there are fifty cops in the precinct, six of them are corrupt, forty four of them aren't. They are all "cops" but not all of them are hypocrites and bigots. Are you beginning to get the picture now or will you continue on in your pattern of taking lines of text out of context in an attempt to "prove" something that isn't there? I bet I know which way you'll fall.
No, s/he never will. Her/his god neglected to give her/him a brain and a spine.
I only "hate" and "disparage" idiot Christian bigots, NOT all Christians. In fact, some of the people I respect most have been Christians, despite my not being one. I especially "hate" and "disparage" idiot Christian bigot slimeballs like 1 FAT CAN that lie and whine that my distaste for them is a slur on all Christians. Sorry, but most Christians are not vile scum like 1 FAT CAN. S/he brings shame upon her/his ilk.
No, I don't think of them as fools nor do I ignore them or consider them having "little worth." Why the hell would I? Was that your point? An attempt to make me feel as if I disrespect them just because of their religious beliefs? Or that somehow I am guilty of some infraction against them because they may believe things I don't believe? The fact is you don't have a point; you, and your kind, go to great lengths to assign guilt to those who don't agree with your own version of the world. My sister got me a subscription to "Tabeltalk" which is some religious publication. I've gotten three issues of it so far and have read them.....they're just a 5 x 7 little booklet with titles on the front like "The Parables of Jesus" and "Fear" and "Misunderstood Doctrines" (my favorite). I consider this publication to be total bullshit but out of respect for my sister I do read them. If, at some point in the future, you have a point to make let me know. I am curious to know what it might be.
You’ve went against your initial statement, Neo.
It’s good that you read the books that your Christian sister got you a subscription to. You haven’t ignored and disparaged her.
I went against my initial statement? The fact that I consider the religious publication and its contents to be bullshit does not mean that I think my sister is a fool. See, this is where your simplistic conception of things trips you up. You must have missed the part I posted about how I read the "bullshit" out of respect for my sister. If I did not have respect for her or her beliefs I would not have taken any of the "Tabletalk" bulletins out of their plastic wrappers and read them. Instead I would have immediately thrown them into the trash and made some sacreligious comment about it. Can you see the difference?
Fortunately, these fools don't affect me and I find theme easy to ignore and even disparage.
Obviously, your Christian sister still cares.
You never will get it, will you? The "initial statement" that you seize on and once again take out of context, was a statement in reply to limey's post about the "religious" aspect of the American voter and what role religion plays in American society in general. My statement was a general one disparaging religious hypocrites and bigots that use religion as a crutch to advance their own personal views on the rest of us or those who use religion as a weapon of convenience to use in their efforts to impose their religious beliefs on others. It has nothing to do with me or my relationships with members of my family. I attempted to explain this in the post you quote above from me that ends with me asking if you can see the difference. I should have known better; that you can't. Just to spell it out for you one last time......my sister and I are polar opposite in our outlook on religion. She knows my stance and I know hers. Neither of us "hate" the other one because of religious belief or lack of it. I am not trying to get her to renounce her faith, nor do I tell her she is a fool because of her beliefs. She affords me the same courtesy. Maybe you can grasp the grand concept of this by thinking of it this way: you seem to hate Democrats and go out of your way to find ways to belittle them and try to show how they are somehow "wrong." But you totally ignore the fact that more than a few of those Democrats hold religious beliefs identical to yours; they just don't use those beliefs to beat on others like you do. Or think of it in the sense of the "dirty cop" in which case there are fifty cops in the precinct, six of them are corrupt, forty four of them aren't. They are all "cops" but not all of them are hypocrites and bigots. Are you beginning to get the picture now or will you continue on in your pattern of taking lines of text out of context in an attempt to "prove" something that isn't there? I bet I know which way you'll fall.
I applaud your Christian sister's efforts. You were probably religious like her at a time in your life, then something influenced you to turn your back on God. Your sister is trying to reach you with God's word through any means possible because she loves you.
Fortunately, these fools don't affect me and I find theme easy to ignore and even disparage.
Your sister? Your granddaughter Patience, her family?
Your point? I don't advertise my beliefs nor try to foist them onto anyone else. Your point? Do you have one?
Your sister’s Christian beliefs, granddaughter Patience, her family. Do you think of them as fools, ignore them, think of them as being of little worth?
Mr. Cat, why bring neo's family into this? I understand this information was posted publicly by neo, but it's still an attempt at shaming neo on your part by using his family as a tool to that end, which is shameful in and of itself. If you're looking to guide someone back into the Christian fold, take the high road and let your own behavior set an example.
I'm sure Neo's Christian sister is a wonderful person. What's shameful, for a behavioral example, are liberals pushing to remove God out of everything.
I applaud your Christian sister's efforts. You were probably religious like her at a time in your life, then something influenced you to turn your back on God. Your sister is trying to reach you with God's word through any means possible because she loves you.
It would be a pretty lame god who could be "pushed" around by mere mortals. The entity that created the universe does anything it wants, whenever it wants, without regard to what any given earth creatures believe, don't believe, or do. It's impossible to believe in an all-powerful god while still thinking one can alter that god's power in any way.
I'm sure Neo's Christian sister is a wonderful person. What's shameful, for a behavioral example, are liberals pushing to remove God out of everything.
I applaud your Christian sister's efforts. You were probably religious like her at a time in your life, then something influenced you to turn your back on God. Your sister is trying to reach you with God's word through any means possible because she loves you.
Looks like you've bought into the narrative you've been fed. What do you think god has been removed from? You can't use "prayer at schools" because prayer groups have not been pushed out; they just have to do their praying before or after school time and they can't force everyone to participate in praying. Nothing nefarious about that. Religious dogma statues and "Ten Commandments" gimcracks have been removed from government buildings because it violates the principle of separation of church and state, something specifically written in the US Constitution. I can't think of anything else god has supposedly been pushed out of; maybe you can shed some light on that. Maybe not.
I'm sure Neo's Christian sister is a wonderful person. What's shameful, for a behavioral example, are liberals pushing to remove God out of everything.
I applaud your Christian sister's efforts. You were probably religious like her at a time in your life, then something influenced you to turn your back on God. Your sister is trying to reach you with God's word through any means possible because she loves you.
I'm sure Neo's Christian sister is a wonderful person. What's shameful, for a behavioral example, are liberals pushing to remove God out of everything.
I applaud your Christian sister's efforts. You were probably religious like her at a time in your life, then something influenced you to turn your back on God. Your sister is trying to reach you with God's word through any means possible because she loves you.
Looks like you've bought into the narrative you've been fed. What do you think god has been removed from? You can't use "prayer at schools" because prayer groups have not been pushed out; they just have to do their praying before or after school time and they can't force everyone to participate in praying. Nothing nefarious about that. Religious dogma statues and "Ten Commandments" gimcracks have been removed from government buildings because it violates the principle of separation of church and state, something specifically written in the US Constitution. I can't think of anything else god has supposedly been pushed out of; maybe you can shed some light on that. Maybe not.
Ask your sister. That would be a good conversation for you and her. I'm sure she would welcome it.
Almost forgot; all those Catholic priests who molested Catholic kids for decades.....I'm sure they BELIEVED they were devout and humble priests, but they weren't. All the semi literate Evangelical and Fundamentalist rural preachers in the US that have been convicted of the same thing.....there is NO DOUBT they all THOUGHT they were good "Christians" until it was proven otherwise. Speaking of that, it's about time for another one of those hypocrite bastards to be exposed; seems there's about one every couple of months or so. And in spite of what you may BELIEVE, it isn't "liberals" that generally are caught doing this kind of shit. In general, the clergy in this country is more conservative than liberal.
Lying deflection, as usual. No one is saying that you dissed neoplacebo's sister. What we have posted and you cower from is that it's "shameful", "mindless ... poor taste as best, and malicious and dangerous at worst," and "No class" for you to exploit neoplacebo's sister and especially his 10 year-old granddaughter in any way. Grow a pair, your desperate wussy revisionism is pathetic when you're busted.
Seriously, granddaughter guilt tripping, albeit utterly failed? You are a vile human by any standard, 1 FAT CAN.
Plus, there are NO "liberals pushing to remove God out of everything." Repent of your despicable, Commandment-level sinful false witness. Now, you're even exploiting your own god with your lies, blasphemer.
