Social Distancing 1A

[O Really]

Nobody on the road
Nobody on the beach
I feel it in the air
The summer's out of reach
Empty lake, empty streets
The sun goes down alone
I'm driving by your house
Though I know you're not home

http://videos.sapo.pt/u6r4d2zEcDF9MdzHZ4I1

[neoplacebo]

The dog playing with the cup reminds me of the only video game I ever played; Pong.

[Vrede too]

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4021&p=113740#p113740

I have no opinion on specific measures, as claimed, but China, Italy and Spain show us that extreme govt action is needed.

[billy.pilgrim]

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4021&p=113740#p113740

I have no opinion on specific measures, as claimed, but China, Italy and Spain show us that extreme govt action is needed.

Read more slowly. I didn't say anything about not having extreme measures.

I said that extreme measures with nullifying fatal flaws will spread the virus.

That thread is for examples of government and private actions intended to stop the spread that will actually increase it.

[Vrede too]

Read more slowly. I didn't say anything about not having extreme measures.

I said that extreme measures with nullifying fatal flaws will spread the virus.

That thread is for examples of government and private actions intended to stop the spread that will actually increase it.

Read more slowly, you poor, brittle ego thing. Has any dispute I've had with you ever been vague? I merely made a general comment expanding on your post without suggesting that you're wrong. That said, I'll wait for expert opinion before saying that you're right.

[neoplacebo]

The recent involvement of the National Guard, to me, presents a situation with a potential fatal flaw. The National Guard is composed of part time people who all work with a bunch of other people in their non National Guard life. Each of those Guard members has already been around a lot of people that all the other Guard members have not been around. Bringing all those Guard members together in their Guard roles looks to me like a much larger petri dish than the petri dish of the general population. And if it turns out the the mingling within this larger petri dish of the National Guard results in an even more explosive virus outbreak, it will give trump something to whine about and say it wasn't his fault since the Governors of each state make the decision to call out the Guard.

[billy.pilgrim]

Read more slowly. I didn't say anything about not having extreme measures.

I said that extreme measures with nullifying fatal flaws will spread the virus.

That thread is for examples of government and private actions intended to stop the spread that will actually increase it.

Read more slowly, you poor, brittle ego thing. Has any dispute I've had with you ever been vague? I merely made a general comment expanding on your post without suggesting that you're wrong. That said, I'll wait for expert opinion before saying that you're right.

Sure thing vrede, whatever you say. Of course we should confine 12 3 year old kids and 2 or 3 adults in a 15 x 15 room and instruct them to practice social distancing. Whatever you say.

[billy.pilgrim]

The recent involvement of the National Guard, to me, presents a situation with a potential fatal flaw. The National Guard is composed of part time people who all work with a bunch of other people in their non National Guard life. Each of those Guard members has already been around a lot of people that all the other Guard members have not been around. Bringing all those Guard members together in their Guard roles looks to me like a much larger petri dish than the petri dish of the general population. And if it turns out the the mingling within this larger petri dish of the National Guard results in an even more explosive virus outbreak, it will give trump something to whine about and say it wasn't his fault since the Governors of each state make the decision to call out the Guard.

Exactly, that's why I started the other thread. Stopping to think is always a good idea.

[neoplacebo]

The recent involvement of the National Guard, to me, presents a situation with a potential fatal flaw. The National Guard is composed of part time people who all work with a bunch of other people in their non National Guard life. Each of those Guard members has already been around a lot of people that all the other Guard members have not been around. Bringing all those Guard members together in their Guard roles looks to me like a much larger petri dish than the petri dish of the general population. And if it turns out the the mingling within this larger petri dish of the National Guard results in an even more explosive virus outbreak, it will give trump something to whine about and say it wasn't his fault since the Governors of each state make the decision to call out the Guard.

Exactly, that's why I started the other thread. Stopping to think is always a good idea.

Doh! I didn't realize you'd already brought this issue up. I started thinking about it the first time I saw on the news that some states have called out the Guard. At the time, I thought and that maybe this should be reconsidered. But it's in the mix now.

[billy.pilgrim]

The recent involvement of the National Guard, to me, presents a situation with a potential fatal flaw. The National Guard is composed of part time people who all work with a bunch of other people in their non National Guard life. Each of those Guard members has already been around a lot of people that all the other Guard members have not been around. Bringing all those Guard members together in their Guard roles looks to me like a much larger petri dish than the petri dish of the general population. And if it turns out the the mingling within this larger petri dish of the National Guard results in an even more explosive virus outbreak, it will give trump something to whine about and say it wasn't his fault since the Governors of each state make the decision to call out the Guard.

Exactly, that's why I started the other thread. Stopping to think is always a good idea.

Doh! I didn't realize you'd already brought this issue up. I started thinking about it the first time I saw on the news that some states have called out the Guard. At the time, I thought and that maybe this should be reconsidered. But it's in the mix now.

Careful, you may get criticized.

So is the daycare exemption in Alabama and herding kids off the beaches into hotel rooms and hallways in Florida.

Those measures will spread the virus.

[Vrede too]

Read more slowly, you poor, brittle ego thing. Has any dispute I've had with you ever been vague?

Question cowered from, as usual.

I merely made a general comment expanding on your post without suggesting that you're wrong. That said, I'll wait for expert opinion before saying that you're right.

Sure thing vrede, whatever you say. Of course we should confine 12 3 year old kids and 2 or 3 adults in a 15 x 15 room and instruct them to practice social distancing. Whatever you say.

Wussy straw man, as usual, when you've already been called out for the paranoid imagining of criticism that isn't there. Why are you such a crybaby?

Since it's YOUR issue, what do you suggest for the nation's crisis childcare needs, exactly how are 2 or 3 adults in a room worse than a crowd on a beach, what are your epidemiology credentials, and why can't you find those experts that agree with you that I suggested?

Careful, you may get criticized....

Wussy straw man, as usual. I never criticized you in the first place. I merely remarked on how govts are taking extreme measures around the world.

Fwiw, I've learned not to trust your description of "facts" and I note the complete lack of sourcing for your whine. Idk what exactly should be done and I have both pandemic training and experience.

As an aside, you and Ulysses have now started 5 social distancing threads. Is it an ego thing, are you comparing dicks, or what?

[Vrede too]

The recent involvement of the National Guard, to me, presents a situation with a potential fatal flaw. The National Guard is composed of part time people who all work with a bunch of other people in their non National Guard life. Each of those Guard members has already been around a lot of people that all the other Guard members have not been around. Bringing all those Guard members together in their Guard roles looks to me like a much larger petri dish than the petri dish of the general population. And if it turns out the the mingling within this larger petri dish of the National Guard results in an even more explosive virus outbreak, it will give trump something to whine about and say it wasn't his fault since the Governors of each state make the decision to call out the Guard.

It's a rock and a hard place. The system needs help now, not just with healthcare providers but also with all of the ancillary tasks that support the stressed healthcare providers and to make up for the absenteeism in non-direct care roles, including general public service functions. SUPPOSEDLY, one is not contagious while asymptomatic. HOPEFULLY, training, discipline, proper safety measures and strict monitoring will keep the NG from making things worse, but maybe not.

[O Really]

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4021&p=113740#p113740

I have no opinion on specific measures, as claimed, but China, Italy and Spain show us that extreme govt action is needed.

Comment found elsewhere:
For decades, people have warned of excessive government control, infringement in private lives, and loss of freedom, mostly that never happened. Now we're begging the government to do something and they won't.

[billy.pilgrim]

Read more slowly, you poor, brittle ego thing. Has any dispute I've had with you ever been vague?

Question cowered from, as usual.

I merely made a general comment expanding on your post without suggesting that you're wrong. That said, I'll wait for expert opinion before saying that you're right.

Sure thing vrede, whatever you say. Of course we should confine 12 3 year old kids and 2 or 3 adults in a 15 x 15 room and instruct them to practice social distancing. Whatever you say.

Wussy straw man, as usual, when you've already been called out for the paranoid imagining of criticism that isn't there. Why are you such a crybaby?

Since it's YOUR issue, what do you suggest for the nation's crisis childcare needs, exactly how are 2 or 3 adults in a room worse than a crowd on a beach, what are your epidemiology credentials, and why can't you find those experts that agree with you that I suggested?

Careful, you may get criticized....

Wussy straw man, as usual. I never criticized you in the first place. I merely remarked on how govts are taking extreme measures around the world.

Fwiw, I've learned not to trust your description of "facts" and I note the complete lack of sourcing for your whine. Idk what exactly should be done and I have both pandemic training and experience.

As an aside, you and Ulysses have now started 5 social distancing threads. Is it an ego thing, are you comparing dicks, or what?

It's so strange how you attack positions never made.

Almost empty beaches were closed and people crowded into hotels seems luk6a poor response

I guess the kids have stay home, but confining them in virus breeding rooms and then scattering them around the community seems stupid, but then ...

[billy.pilgrim]

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4021&p=113740#p113740

I have no opinion on specific measures, as claimed, but China, Italy and Spain show us that extreme govt action is needed.

Comment found elsewhere:
For decades, people have warned of excessive government control, infringement in private lives, and loss of freedom, mostly that never happened. Now we're begging the government to do something and they won't.

Not really, but I guess I am making a sure-fire deep dive into some bizarro fantasy world asking that they do things that make sense.

[neoplacebo]

The recent involvement of the National Guard, to me, presents a situation with a potential fatal flaw. The National Guard is composed of part time people who all work with a bunch of other people in their non National Guard life. Each of those Guard members has already been around a lot of people that all the other Guard members have not been around. Bringing all those Guard members together in their Guard roles looks to me like a much larger petri dish than the petri dish of the general population. And if it turns out the the mingling within this larger petri dish of the National Guard results in an even more explosive virus outbreak, it will give trump something to whine about and say it wasn't his fault since the Governors of each state make the decision to call out the Guard.

It's a rock and a hard place. The system needs help now, not just with healthcare providers but also with all of the ancillary tasks that support the stressed healthcare providers and to make up for the absenteeism in non-direct care roles, including general public service functions. SUPPOSEDLY, one is not contagious while asymptomatic. HOPEFULLY, training, discipline, proper safety measures and strict monitoring will keep the NG from making things worse, but maybe not.

Maybe so, but I've seen video of National Guard members handing out supplies to folks in cars while wearing nothing but their uniforms; no masks, no gloves, just the uniform. To me, bringing a disparate group of people who are not otherwise exposed to each other except for one weekend a month and two weeks in summer to be involved in trying to suppress a contagion doesn't make much sense. Using active duty military would not be that much better but at least those folks are in regular contact with each other and are somewhat more isolated than Guard members are, especially with the soldiers who live on the base (a much more isolated and separate environment than civilians occupy). I hope it doesn't become a problem with using the Guard but I am not convinced that it's a good idea. If anything, the Guard could be charged with transporting supplies to some designated location where the public can come to get them. I just can't see how it's smart to put a bunch of people who are not normally around each other (the Guard) in a situation in which they are put in contact with a bunch of other people who they are not normally in contact with (the public). I guess this is why I am not a Governor or a National Guard General.

[billy.pilgrim]

The recent involvement of the National Guard, to me, presents a situation with a potential fatal flaw. The National Guard is composed of part time people who all work with a bunch of other people in their non National Guard life. Each of those Guard members has already been around a lot of people that all the other Guard members have not been around. Bringing all those Guard members together in their Guard roles looks to me like a much larger petri dish than the petri dish of the general population. And if it turns out the the mingling within this larger petri dish of the National Guard results in an even more explosive virus outbreak, it will give trump something to whine about and say it wasn't his fault since the Governors of each state make the decision to call out the Guard.

It's a rock and a hard place. The system needs help now, not just with healthcare providers but also with all of the ancillary tasks that support the stressed healthcare providers and to make up for the absenteeism in non-direct care roles, including general public service functions. SUPPOSEDLY, one is not contagious while asymptomatic. HOPEFULLY, training, discipline, proper safety measures and strict monitoring will keep the NG from making things worse, but maybe not.

Maybe so, but I've seen video of National Guard members handing out supplies to folks in cars while wearing nothing but their uniforms; no masks, no gloves, just the uniform. To me, bringing a disparate group of people who are not otherwise exposed to each other except for one weekend a month and two weeks in summer to be involved in trying to suppress a contagion doesn't make much sense. Using active duty military would not be that much better but at least those folks are in regular contact with each other and are somewhat more isolated than Guard members are, especially with the soldiers who live on the base (a much more isolated and separate environment than civilians occupy). I hope it doesn't become a problem with using the Guard but I am not convinced that it's a good idea. If anything, the Guard could be charged with transporting supplies to some designated location where the public can come to get them. I just can't see how it's smart to put a bunch of people who are not normally around each other (the Guard) in a situation in which they are put in contact with a bunch of other people who they are not normally in contact with (the public). I guess this is why I am not a Governor or a National Guard General.

On its face so incredibly stupid. It's as if no one is looking at consequences of crowding certain groups while scattering some and preventing others.

It's all about what's easiest, always has been.

You can't imagine that you are doing anything if you are sending infected preschoolers and NG back into the community each day.

[Vrede too]

Wussy straw man, as usual, when you've already been called out for the paranoid imagining of criticism that isn't there. Why are you such a crybaby?

Question cowered from, as usual.

Since it's YOUR issue, what do you suggest for the nation's crisis childcare needs, exactly how are 2 or 3 adults in a room worse than a crowd on a beach, what are your epidemiology credentials, and why can't you find those experts that agree with you that I suggested?

Question cowered from, as usual.

Careful, you may get criticized....

Wussy straw man, as usual. I never criticized you in the first place. I merely remarked on how govts are taking extreme measures around the world.

Point cowered from, as usual.

Fwiw, I've learned not to trust your description of "facts" and I note the complete lack of sourcing for your whine. Idk what exactly should be done and I have both pandemic training and experience.

As an aside, you and Ulysses have now started 5 social distancing threads. Is it an ego thing, are you comparing dicks, or what?

Question cowered from, as usual.

It's so strange how you attack positions never made.

Gibberish. Otoh, you attacked me for NOT criticizing you. Weird.

Almost empty beaches were closed and people crowded into hotels seems luk6a poor response

I guess the kids have stay home, but confining them in virus breeding rooms and then scattering them around the community seems stupid, but then ...

Again, idk. Too many syllables for you?

[billy.pilgrim]

Wussy straw man, as usual, when you've already been called out for the paranoid imagining of criticism that isn't there. Why are you such a crybaby?

Question cowered from, as usual.

Since it's YOUR issue, what do you suggest for the nation's crisis childcare needs, exactly how are 2 or 3 adults in a room worse than a crowd on a beach, what are your epidemiology credentials, and why can't you find those experts that agree with you that I suggested?

Question cowered from, as usual.

Careful, you may get criticized....

Wussy straw man, as usual. I never criticized you in the first place. I merely remarked on how govts are taking extreme measures around the world.

Point cowered from, as usual.

Fwiw, I've learned not to trust your description of "facts" and I note the complete lack of sourcing for your whine. Idk what exactly should be done and I have both pandemic training and experience.

As an aside, you and Ulysses have now started 5 social distancing threads. Is it an ego thing, are you comparing dicks, or what?

Question cowered from, as usual.

It's so strange how you attack positions never made.

Gibberish. Otoh, you attacked me for NOT criticizing you. Weird.

Almost empty beaches were closed and people crowded into hotels seems luk6a poor response

I guess the kids have stay home, but confining them in virus breeding rooms and then scattering them around the community seems stupid, but then ...

Again, idk. Too many syllables for you?

Seek help

[Vrede too]

Seek help

Seems inappropriate, but I'll do what I can to "Seek help" for your cowering, whiny defensiveness and illiteracy. You're welcome.