Social Distancing 1A

[O Really]

Clemson students, Cat fans, are criminally dangerous idiots:

Despite coronavirus, college students threw party with 100 people. Police plan crack down.

And without significant consequence, apparently.

[Vrede too]

Clemson students, Cat fans, are criminally dangerous idiots:

Despite coronavirus, college students threw party with 100 people. Police plan crack down.

And without significant consequence, apparently.

I saw that, sounds like lame SC governance + weak and unprepared SC cops.

[O Really]

Clemson students, Cat fans, are criminally dangerous idiots:

Despite coronavirus, college students threw party with 100 people. Police plan crack down.

And without significant consequence, apparently.

I saw that, sounds like lame SC governance + weak and unprepared SC cops.

I'm guessing the ending might have been different if it was a crowd of Black kids.

[billy.pilgrim]

Clemson students, Cat fans, are criminally dangerous idiots:

Despite coronavirus, college students threw party with 100 people. Police plan crack down.

And without significant consequence, apparently.

I saw that, sounds like lame SC governance + weak and unprepared SC cops.

I'm guessing the ending might have been different if it was a crowd of Black kids.

They sent a letter to his parents. What more do you want?


By publicly ignoring Florida law Dabo's behavior model Dabo's hoping back and forth over the Florida state line was a signal to ignore social distancing laws.

[Vrede too]

They sent a letter to his parents. What more do you want?

By publicly ignoring Florida law Dabo's behavior model Dabo's hoping back and forth over the Florida state line was a signal to ignore social distancing laws.

This is discipline and responsibility SC style.


Weird Photo Of Mitch McConnell’s Social Distancing Has People In Stitches
The image from outside the Senate chamber says a lot about 2020.

[Vrede too]

I used the ALDI shop and delivery service today.

Ordering was easy - every item in the store, I assume, displayed for clicking on, as did an ability to name alternates if the requested item is out of stock.
I ordered late yesterday afternoon, the order arrive late this morning.

Shop and delivery is not free if the order is over $35. That only applies to personal care items and I only needed toothpaste. I don't know if the website was wrong earlier or if I misread.
The prices are still reasonable:
Checkout Bag Tax or Fee: $0.80 - no sure about that, they used boxes for everything
Delivery Fee: $3.99
Service Fee: 5% of groceries cost
Suggested Tip: 5% of groceries cost - I left that in place
10% + $4 added is almost worth it during normal times, almost.

Almost 1/3 of what I ordered did not arrive. I'll bet that I could do better replacing if I was in the store, and that's what I'll do next time. They did cancel the charges for unfilled items accurately. Also, I'm not quite sure that I got all of my replacement picks in before they started shopping, though some did.

Two young women made the delivery, no masks or gloves. Oh well, if I was in store I would have been exposed to them shopping, plus the other staff and customers.

I wore mask and gloves for bringing the order in and for cleaning everything.
Nonperishable items went straight to my sunnier deck where they will stay for 3 days.
Aerated, loose and easily removed packaging went straight into the trash or recycling.

Thanks to Ulysses and billy.pilgrim for some cleaning tips. Principles that we haven't discussed:

Soap and water doesn't disinfect, but does accomplish effective mechanical removal.
Pathogens other than spores don't like drying out. Thorough air drying is best, using a towel risks cross-contamination.
Contact time is important for all disinfectants, whether 10% vinegar, 1% bleach, Pine-Sol or another product.
I used 10% vinegar on all produce that wasn't in a fully sealed bag. Since the residual taste won't bother me, I did not bother rinsing it off. I'll rinse the items as I cook or consume them.
I cleaned all potentially contaminated surfaces with Pine-Sol afterwards, then I sprayed it on again without wiping it off.
We'll see, I did not maintain perfect sterile procedure, but I think I did pretty good.

[neoplacebo]

Sounds good; beats hell out of being killed by an out of control phone talker or drunk driver. Deliver me from evil. Say Yayaah. shit

[Vrede too]

Sounds good; beats hell out of being killed by an out of control phone talker or drunk driver. Deliver me from evil. Say Yayaah. shit

Maybe. What I did might be overkill. It took a long time.

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4093

Some good advice, offered as a public service:

How to Safely Grocery Shop During Coronavirus Shelter in Place

Keep in mind, public health officials have found no documented cases of COVID-19 transmission from food or food packaging. The exposure risks from grocery shopping are largely from getting too close to other shoppers or touching surfaces — like door handles or shopping carts — that many other people touch....

Some people are concerned about the virus persisting on the surfaces of food brought home from the grocery store. That is possible, but unlikely. Check out this video for some tips on how to sanitize food brought into the home if you’d like to be extra safe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjDuwc9KBps

[O Really]

I used the ALDI shop and delivery service today.


Two young women made the delivery...

Did you have to pay a rental fee for them?

[Vrede too]

As I understand it, soap and water DOES disinfect against CV19 virus.

That's because the outer covering of the virus is lipid based, and soap in sufficient concentration and time will disrupt this outer coating, causing the virus to burst and no longer be infectious.

Correct, Wiki:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavir ... ansmission

The virus survives for hours to days on surfaces. Specifically, the virus was found to be detectable for one day on cardboard, for up to three days on plastic (polypropylene) and stainless steel (AISI 304) and for up to four hours on 99% copper. This, however, varies based on the humidity and temperature.[61][62] Surfaces may be decontaminated with a number of solutions (within one minute of exposure to the disinfectant to achieve a 4 or more log reduction), including 78–95% ethanol (alcohol used in spirits), 70–100% 2-propanol (isopropyl alcohol), the combination of 45% 2-propanol with 30% 1-propanol, 0.21% sodium hypochlorite (bleach), 0.5% hydrogen peroxide, or 0.23–7.5% povidone-iodine. Soap and detergent are also effective if correctly used; soap products degrade the virus' fatty protective layer, deactivating it, as well as freeing them from skin and other surfaces. Other solutions, such as benzalkonium chloride and chlorhexidine gluconate (a surgical disinfectant), are less effective

Thanks. Cool, there were a bunch of items that I only washed with dishsoap and water, and I wondered if I was slacking.

[Vrede too]

Did you have to pay a rental fee for them?

Well, yes, 10% + $4 and a mysterious 80 cents . . . but they "rented" the cart. Win!

[Sometime Lefty]

Soap and water doesn't disinfect, but does accomplish effective mechanical removal.
Pathogens other than spores don't like drying out. Thorough air drying is best, using a towel risks cross-contamination.
Contact time is important for all disinfectants, whether 10% vinegar, 1% bleach, Pine-Sol or another product.
I used 10% vinegar on all produce that wasn't in a fully sealed bag. Since the residual taste won't bother me, I did not bother rinsing it off. I'll rinse the items as I cook or consume them.
I cleaned all potentially contaminated surfaces with Pine-Sol afterwards, then I sprayed it on again without wiping it off.
We'll see, I did not maintain perfect sterile procedure, but I think I did pretty good.

This is from the March edition of Consumers Report interviewing Benjamin Chapman, Ph.D., a professor and food safety expert at North Carolina State University in Raleigh.


Q. Should you wash produce any differently from your normal method?

That’s not necessary. Just wash fruits and vegetables in water, using a vegetable brush if you like on hard produce, such as apples or potatoes. “I don’t recommend washing produce with soap or diluted bleach solution, both of which can cause stomach upset,” Schaffner says. Vinegar won’t kill the virus, and there’s no evidence that vegetable washes do, either.

[O Really]

... there were a bunch of items that I only washed with dishsoap and water, and I wondered if I was slacking.

Reported to be a significant cause of diarrhea if you actually eat the dish soap residue.

[Vrede too]

This is from the March edition of Consumers Report interviewing Benjamin Chapman, Ph.D., a professor and food safety expert at North Carolina State University in Raleigh.

Q. Should you wash produce any differently from your normal method?

That’s not necessary. Just wash fruits and vegetables in water, using a vegetable brush if you like on hard produce, such as apples or potatoes. “I don’t recommend washing produce with soap or diluted bleach solution, both of which can cause stomach upset,” Schaffner says. Vinegar won’t kill the virus, and there’s no evidence that vegetable washes do, either.

Here's the article you mention:
https://www.consumerreports.org/food-sa ... od-safety/

O Really earlier quoted a different CR article saying the same thing:
https://www.consumerreports.org/cleanin ... ronavirus/

Ulysses found contrary and seemingly credible info. re vinegar and viruses in general, but not specific to CV-19:
viewtopic.php?p=115398#p115398

[Vrede too]

... there were a bunch of items that I only washed with dishsoap and water, and I wondered if I was slacking.

Reported to be a significant cause of diarrhea if you actually eat the dish soap residue.

Those were sealed packaging only.

... I used 10% vinegar on all produce that wasn't in a fully sealed bag. Since the residual taste won't bother me, I did not bother rinsing it off. I'll rinse the items as I cook or consume them....

[neoplacebo]

I find it interesting that the virus only survives for a few hours, versus days, on "99% copper." I've read and heard that copper does convey some type of health benefits, mostly in the reduction of inflammation and thus mild pain. But on the other hand, a copper with a night stick or taser can certainly deliver some pain.

[Whack9]

Could you put 70% alcohol in a spray bottle and spray it on your items and wipe them down? I've got some of that but nothing else. Well, I have soap too. But that's not as convenient.

[O Really]

Could you put 70% alcohol in a spray bottle and spray it on your items and wipe them down? I've got some of that but nothing else. Well, I have soap too. But that's not as convenient.

Dunno why not. CDC says "Alcohol solutions with at least 70% alcohol may also be used" so I suppose if the bottle says "70% alcohol" it's already a "solution." I think for a hand sanitizer, though, it would be a bit harsh for frequent use. Better than not wiping, I'm sure.

[Whack9]

Could you put 70% alcohol in a spray bottle and spray it on your items and wipe them down? I've got some of that but nothing else. Well, I have soap too. But that's not as convenient.

Dunno why not. CDC says "Alcohol solutions with at least 70% alcohol may also be used" so I suppose if the bottle says "70% alcohol" it's already a "solution." I think for a hand sanitizer, though, it would be a bit harsh for frequent use. Better than not wiping, I'm sure.

Truth.

Yeah if you buy 90% alcohol and mix it with aloe gel, it makes a decent hand sanitizer.

I can't find sanitizer anywhere, so I may opt for this route. It's convenient having a small bottle for when you're out and about touching all kinds of nastiness.

[billy.pilgrim]

Could you put 70% alcohol in a spray bottle and spray it on your items and wipe them down? I've got some of that but nothing else. Well, I have soap too. But that's not as convenient.

Dunno why not. CDC says "Alcohol solutions with at least 70% alcohol may also be used" so I suppose if the bottle says "70% alcohol" it's already a "solution." I think for a hand sanitizer, though, it would be a bit harsh for frequent use. Better than not wiping, I'm sure.

Truth.

Yeah if you buy 90% alcohol and mix it with aloe gel, it makes a decent hand sanitizer.

I can't find sanitizer anywhere, so I may opt for this route. It's convenient having a small bottle for when you're out and about touching all kinds of nastiness.

The recommendations I've read for hand sanitizer are "at least 60% alcohol". When I did sterile cell culture work, it was understood that 70% alcohol was effective for disinfecting. Oddly, 100% is not recommended because for some reason it doesn't kill bugs as well as 70%. Probably has to do with the water content getting the alcohol to enter bacterial cell walls better than pure alcohol. And 100% alcohol is hard to get. It tends to absorb moisture from the air rapidly and become 95% all on its own.

About five or more years ago, I bought a gold fish bowl of small hand sanitizers at the local Costco business center. Probably intended for convenience stores. I still have about half of them. They are past their expiration date, but since I can still smell alcohol in them I think they are effective. On those that have lost volume, I top them off with some 91% isopropanol I have handy. Also have a little spray bottle I fill with 70% isopropanol, and use that to spray down packages, door handles etc.

they said the 60% works fine but were cautioning people not to mix lotions etc. with the 60 or 70% alcohol because if diluted below 60% it wouldn't be effective and they figured that some people couldn't figure that out for themselves.