Social Distancing 1A

[Vrede too]

Could you put 70% alcohol in a spray bottle and spray it on your items and wipe them down? I've got some of that but nothing else. Well, I have soap too. But that's not as convenient.

Alcohol disinfectants are most effective if contact time is maximized by allowing them to evaporate. So, skip the wiping down if you can.

[.Oomba.]

Could you put 70% alcohol in a spray bottle and spray it on your items and wipe them down? I've got some of that but nothing else. Well, I have soap too. But that's not as convenient.

Dunno why not. CDC says "Alcohol solutions with at least 70% alcohol may also be used" so I suppose if the bottle says "70% alcohol" it's already a "solution." I think for a hand sanitizer, though, it would be a bit harsh for frequent use. Better than not wiping, I'm sure.

Truth.

Yeah if you buy 90% alcohol and mix it with aloe gel, it makes a decent hand sanitizer.

I can't find sanitizer anywhere, so I may opt for this route. It's convenient having a small bottle for when you're out and about touching all kinds of nastiness.

The recommendations I've read for hand sanitizer are "at least 60% alcohol". When I did sterile cell culture work, it was understood that 70% alcohol was effective for disinfecting. Oddly, 100% is not recommended because for some reason it doesn't kill bugs as well as 70%. Probably has to do with the water content getting the alcohol to enter bacterial cell walls better than pure alcohol. And 100% alcohol is hard to get. It tends to absorb moisture from the air rapidly and become 95% all on its own.

About five or more years ago, I bought a gold fish bowl of small hand sanitizers at the local Costco business center. Probably intended for convenience stores. I still have about half of them. They are past their expiration date, but since I can still smell alcohol in them I think they are effective. On those that have lost volume, I top them off with some 91% isopropanol I have handy. Also have a little spray bottle I fill with 70% isopropanol, and use that to spray down packages, door handles etc.

You lead an exciting life.

[.Oomba.]

Dunno why not. CDC says "Alcohol solutions with at least 70% alcohol may also be used" so I suppose if the bottle says "70% alcohol" it's already a "solution." I think for a hand sanitizer, though, it would be a bit harsh for frequent use. Better than not wiping, I'm sure.

Truth.

Yeah if you buy 90% alcohol and mix it with aloe gel, it makes a decent hand sanitizer.

I can't find sanitizer anywhere, so I may opt for this route. It's convenient having a small bottle for when you're out and about touching all kinds of nastiness.

The recommendations I've read for hand sanitizer are "at least 60% alcohol". When I did sterile cell culture work, it was understood that 70% alcohol was effective for disinfecting. Oddly, 100% is not recommended because for some reason it doesn't kill bugs as well as 70%. Probably has to do with the water content getting the alcohol to enter bacterial cell walls better than pure alcohol. And 100% alcohol is hard to get. It tends to absorb moisture from the air rapidly and become 95% all on its own.

About five or more years ago, I bought a gold fish bowl of small hand sanitizers at the local Costco business center. Probably intended for convenience stores. I still have about half of them. They are past their expiration date, but since I can still smell alcohol in them I think they are effective. On those that have lost volume, I top them off with some 91% isopropanol I have handy. Also have a little spray bottle I fill with 70% isopropanol, and use that to spray down packages, door handles etc.

You lead an exciting life.

It sometimes gets so exciting I have to take a nap.

Restful, and it gives you something to talk about later.

[Whack9]

Could you put 70% alcohol in a spray bottle and spray it on your items and wipe them down? I've got some of that but nothing else. Well, I have soap too. But that's not as convenient.

Dunno why not. CDC says "Alcohol solutions with at least 70% alcohol may also be used" so I suppose if the bottle says "70% alcohol" it's already a "solution." I think for a hand sanitizer, though, it would be a bit harsh for frequent use. Better than not wiping, I'm sure.

Truth.

Yeah if you buy 90% alcohol and mix it with aloe gel, it makes a decent hand sanitizer.

I can't find sanitizer anywhere, so I may opt for this route. It's convenient having a small bottle for when you're out and about touching all kinds of nastiness.

The recommendations I've read for hand sanitizer are "at least 60% alcohol". When I did sterile cell culture work, it was understood that 70% alcohol was effective for disinfecting. Oddly, 100% is not recommended because for some reason it doesn't kill bugs as well as 70%. Probably has to do with the water content getting the alcohol to enter bacterial cell walls better than pure alcohol. And 100% alcohol is hard to get. It tends to absorb moisture from the air rapidly and become 95% all on its own.

About five or more years ago, I bought a gold fish bowl of small hand sanitizers at the local Costco business center. Probably intended for convenience stores. I still have about half of them. They are past their expiration date, but since I can still smell alcohol in them I think they are effective. On those that have lost volume, I top them off with some 91% isopropanol I have handy. Also have a little spray bottle I fill with 70% isopropanol, and use that to spray down packages, door handles etc.

I had hand sanitizer by the gallons but ended up drinking them all and getting crunked because my alcohol stockpile ran out early due to quarantine.

Desperate times

[Whack9]

Could you put 70% alcohol in a spray bottle and spray it on your items and wipe them down? I've got some of that but nothing else. Well, I have soap too. But that's not as convenient.

Dunno why not. CDC says "Alcohol solutions with at least 70% alcohol may also be used" so I suppose if the bottle says "70% alcohol" it's already a "solution." I think for a hand sanitizer, though, it would be a bit harsh for frequent use. Better than not wiping, I'm sure.

Truth.

Yeah if you buy 90% alcohol and mix it with aloe gel, it makes a decent hand sanitizer.

I can't find sanitizer anywhere, so I may opt for this route. It's convenient having a small bottle for when you're out and about touching all kinds of nastiness.

The recommendations I've read for hand sanitizer are "at least 60% alcohol". When I did sterile cell culture work, it was understood that 70% alcohol was effective for disinfecting. Oddly, 100% is not recommended because for some reason it doesn't kill bugs as well as 70%. Probably has to do with the water content getting the alcohol to enter bacterial cell walls better than pure alcohol. And 100% alcohol is hard to get. It tends to absorb moisture from the air rapidly and become 95% all on its own.

About five or more years ago, I bought a gold fish bowl of small hand sanitizers at the local Costco business center. Probably intended for convenience stores. I still have about half of them. They are past their expiration date, but since I can still smell alcohol in them I think they are effective. On those that have lost volume, I top them off with some 91% isopropanol I have handy. Also have a little spray bottle I fill with 70% isopropanol, and use that to spray down packages, door handles etc.

If you dilute the 90% alcohol with some other medium like aloe gel, it should still be above 60% provided you keep the correct measurements. You'll be left with a nifty little hand sanitizer.

[Vrede too]

Alcohol disinfectants are most effective if contact time is maximized by allowing them to evaporate. So, skip the wiping down if you can.

It evaporates so quickly I'm surprised anybody bothers to wipe it down.

The time requirement may be due to the need to let the alcohol penetrate the lipid rich viral envelope, and disrupt it....

It’s a general rule for any disinfecting with any product and for any pathogen, not specific to alcohol and coronaviruses, though some disinfectants are harsh enough that you do want to wipe/rinse them off after their recommended contact time has been realized.

[neoplacebo]

Gasoline evaporates pretty fast as well. I never wipe after rubbing down with 93 octane. Plus gasoline doesn't dry your skin out like alcohol.

[Vrede too]

Gasoline evaporates pretty fast as well. I never wipe after rubbing down with 93 octane. Plus gasoline doesn't dry your skin out like alcohol.

It disinfects even better and dissipates faster if you put a match to it.

[neoplacebo]

Gasoline evaporates pretty fast as well. I never wipe after rubbing down with 93 octane. Plus gasoline doesn't dry your skin out like alcohol.

It disinfects even better and dissipates faster if you put a match to it.

True, but if you do that, you don't get to savor that gasoline smell.

[Vrede too]

True, but if you do that, you don't get to savor that gasoline smell.

It's important to stay happy during these trying times.


From my Co-op:

[Whack9]

Remember when Trump talked about dropping a nuke on a hurricane to stop it in its tracks.

wouldn't that also work in stopping the COVID-19?

[neoplacebo]

Gasoline evaporates pretty fast as well. I never wipe after rubbing down with 93 octane. Plus gasoline doesn't dry your skin out like alcohol.

It disinfects even better and dissipates faster if you put a match to it.

If I'm not mistaken, gasoline is sort of a lousy disinfectant.

I remember reading long ago that a big problem with old gasoline is that certain microbes grow in it and break it down into compounds that will foul an internal combustion engine.

Similarly, human urine, upon standing long enough, will grow various microbes that break the urea in urine down into ammonia, which is an efficient grease cutting cleaner. Ancient Greeks and Romans took advantage of that; they collected, stored, and utilized such aged human urine for their laundry works and for tanning hides.

However I'm not suggesting that you pee on yourself any more than already occurs.

Unless you happen to enjoy that kind of action, like our Fearless Leader. NTTAWWT.

I never asserted that gasoline is a disinfectant, lousy or otherwise. As far as I know, nobody else has made the assertion that it is either. I just commented on how quickly it evaporates; likely much faster than alcohol, but I have not researched this. I do know that if you look at two containers, one of alcohol and one of gasoline, at a perpendicular angle to those containers, you will not see anywhere near the "invisible smoke" (volatility) from the alcohol that you will see emanating from the gasoline. This indicates the gasoline is evaporating at good speed. As for whether microbes grow in gasoline or in alcohol or piss, I have no input on that. Gasoline will become "gummy" if left in a sealed container for long time periods; I don't know if alcohol or piss will do the same.

[neoplacebo]

I never asserted that gasoline is a disinfectant, lousy or otherwise. As far as I know, nobody else has made the assertion that it is either. I just commented on how quickly it evaporates; likely much faster than alcohol, but I have not researched this. I do know that if you look at two containers, one of alcohol and one of gasoline, at a perpendicular angle to those containers, you will not see anywhere near the "invisible smoke" (volatility) from the alcohol that you will see emanating from the gasoline. This indicates the gasoline is evaporating at good speed. As for whether microbes grow in gasoline or in alcohol or piss, I have no input on that. Gasoline will become "gummy" if left in a sealed container for long time periods; I don't know if alcohol or piss will do the same.

Welp, please calm your troubled mind.

I never claimed that you said gasoline was a disinfectant of any kind.

However, Vrede did assert that gasoline "disinfects even better" if ignited. That is what I was responding to:

It disinfects even better and dissipates faster if you put a match to it.

Now, mind you, nobody in their right mind would suggest lighting an application of a highly flammable substance to make it an "even better disinfectant". But perhaps that excludes Vrede? Might cast a whole new light on the practice of burning suspected witches in times gone by. Perhaps it could be defended today as public sanitation?

Touche; I guess. That response you quoted is not one I consider relevant, as it was made in jest. I was replying to what I assumed was your serious assertion about the anti bacterial properties of gasoline. And if you just called me a welp (whelp) I will invent something to call you; if you only misspelled the word "well" I will forget about it and not call you anything.

[neoplacebo]

Ok, I learned something new; I've not watched SNL since the days of Belushi and Murray and those guys. I just never thought it could ever be as good.

[Vrede too]

I never asserted that gasoline is a disinfectant, lousy or otherwise. As far as I know, nobody else has made the assertion that it is either....

In context it was a reasonable assumption since the alcohol evaporation tangent was all about disinfecting. No matter, if that's not what you meant, fine with me .

Welp, please calm your troubled mind.

I never claimed that you said gasoline was a disinfectant of any kind.

However, Vrede did assert that gasoline "disinfects even better" if ignited. That is what I was responding to:

Now, mind you, nobody in their right mind would suggest lighting an application of a highly flammable substance to make it an "even better disinfectant". But perhaps that excludes Vrede? Might cast a whole new light on the practice of burning suspected witches in times gone by. Perhaps it could be defended today as public sanitation?

Sheesh, just how many OBVIOUS jokes will go sailing over your head in one day?

There is something wrong with you.

[Vrede too]

You clearly were referring to gasoline as a disinfectant. Now that you've been called on it you're obviously frantically trying to deny, defect, distract.

As your hero Trump would say, SAD!!!

As I just explained and you even quoted I was clearly assuming, apparently incorrectly, that neoplacebo was jokingly referring to gasoline as a disinfectant, and I added an obvious joke on top of that.

You are as stupid as a Trumpette.

[Vrede too]

A gathering of morons:

Armed protesters demand an end to Michigan's coronavirus lockdown orders – video

Boo-hoo, at least your hubby is collecting unemployment and sorry lady, a hairdresser won't help.

[Whack9]

A gathering of morons:

Armed protesters demand an end to Michigan's coronavirus lockdown orders – video

Boo-hoo, at least your hubby is collecting unemployment and sorry lady, a hairdresser won't help.

I keep tabs on Facebook because I think it's a decent barometer for determine the direction the dregs are heading. You get a preview of what the controversy of the day is gonna be.

Anyway, the big trend now is complaining about the lockdown. Saying just let everyone her infected to achieve herd immunity. Saying the response we've had is too much. Sharing memes insinuating that almost any death now is being attributed to the corona virus.

Who am I going to trust? People like Dr Fauci, or Jim Bob at the local Corner Mart who gets his news from americanpatriotbaldeagle.ru?

[Vrede too]

I keep tabs on Facebook because I think it's a decent barometer for determine the direction the dregs are heading. You get a preview of what the controversy of the day is gonna be.

Anyway, the big trend now is complaining about the lockdown. Saying just let everyone her infected to achieve herd immunity. Saying the response we've had is too much. Sharing memes insinuating that almost any death now is being attributed to the corona virus.

Who am I going to trust? People like Dr Fauci, or Jim Bob at the local Corner Mart who gets his news from americanpatriotbaldeagle.ru?

It's not just Jim Bob, Russia and Facebook:

Fox News Stars Cheer Protests Against Coronavirus Social-Distancing Orders

Some folks don't like my hyperbole, but these Faux Noise "stars" and "Trump allies and loyalists" should be charged with treason.

[Vrede too]

Vreedee is even more dense than Trump itself.

I see you screeching, but we all see your inability to point to supporting quotes like I do. Poor baby.