Social Distancing 1A

[Vrede too]

I like this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsQ7Wto0FJg

I am a proud American . . . couchpotatriot!

[billy.pilgrim]

Vrede dénd ne plega éaðe mid folc.

true dat

[Vrede too]

Me conflating? You are the one who said, months into a pandemic, that fabric testing was too hard to do.

You are truly pitiful.

First, I never said that it's "too hard", liar. Rather, I described the complexities and limited usefulness given the many different fabrics with different applications of them that we wear.

Then, as O Really clearly states and you are too stupid to understand or too sackless to admit, a fabric's potential for making an effective CV-19 mask is DIFFERENT from how long the virus lives on a fabric and can potentially cause infection. I don't know why this concept is such a pages-long struggle for you, but it's really really sad.

The study on mask materials measured ability to transmit/block virus, not addressing how long it lives.

[billy.pilgrim]

This all begs the question. For example, we have apparent data on virus survivability on various surfaces, such as plastic, copper, stainless steel, cardboard. But why no comparable data on virus survivability on various fabric types? It would not take a whole lot of effort to look at how long the corona virus remains infectious after deposition on, say, four main fabric types: cotton, wool, polyester, rayon. For fabric blends, it would probably be prudent to use the longest survival time of the component types.

This isn't exactly rocket science, folcs...

Vrede says that it would be too hard to test fsbric, but then he gave an example of fabtic testing. I guess he felt the need to cover all bases.

[Vrede too]

Morons, even when O Really tries to sort out your befuddlement. Pitiful.

Me conflating? You are the one who said, months into a pandemic, that fabric testing was too hard to do.

You are truly pitiful.

First, I never said that it's "too hard", liar. Rather, I described the complexities and limited usefulness given the many different fabrics with different applications of them that we wear.

Then, as O Really clearly states and you are too stupid to understand or too sackless to admit, a fabric's potential for making an effective CV-19 mask is DIFFERENT from how long the virus lives on a fabric and can potentially cause infection. I don't know why this concept is such a pages-long struggle for you, but it's really really sad.

The study on mask materials measured ability to transmit/block virus, not addressing how long it lives.

[billy.pilgrim]

Morons, even when O Really tries to sort out your befuddlement. Pitiful.

Me conflating? You are the one who said, months into a pandemic, that fabric testing was too hard to do.

You are truly pitiful.

First, I never said that it's "too hard", liar. Rather, I described the complexities and limited usefulness given the many different fabrics with different applications of them that we wear.

Then, as O Really clearly states and you are too stupid to understand or too sackless to admit, a fabric's potential for making an effective CV-19 mask is DIFFERENT from how long the virus lives on a fabric and can potentially cause infection. I don't know why this concept is such a pages-long struggle for you, but it's really really sad.

The study on mask materials measured ability to transmit/block virus, not addressing how long it lives.

Too hard / too complex

Whatever vrede, bottom line - you defended an incorrect statement from the article until you offered evidence to prove yourself wrong.

[billy.pilgrim]

Morons, even when O Really tries to sort out your befuddlement. Pitiful.

Me conflating? You are the one who said, months into a pandemic, that fabric testing was too hard to do.

You are truly pitiful.

First, I never said that it's "too hard", liar. Rather, I described the complexities and limited usefulness given the many different fabrics with different applications of them that we wear.

Then, as O Really clearly states and you are too stupid to understand or too sackless to admit, a fabric's potential for making an effective CV-19 mask is DIFFERENT from how long the virus lives on a fabric and can potentially cause infection. I don't know why this concept is such a pages-long struggle for you, but it's really really sad.

The study on mask materials measured ability to transmit/block virus, not addressing how long it lives.

Vrede does it again. Still claiming that no one has studied how long the virus lives on fabric.

But vrede, there was that time you posted the article that said it lived on fabric for 1 to 10 hours.

[Vrede too]

This all begs the question. For example, we have apparent data on virus survivability on various surfaces, such as plastic, copper, stainless steel, cardboard. But why no comparable data on virus survivability on various fabric types? It would not take a whole lot of effort to look at how long the corona virus remains infectious after deposition on, say, four main fabric types: cotton, wool, polyester, rayon. For fabric blends, it would probably be prudent to use the longest survival time of the component types.

This isn't exactly rocket science, folcs...

Finally, after a couple of pages of knee jerk whining, troll, you manage to post topically. Too bad you can't actually address what has been posted.

Clothing, even limited to those 3 fabrics, comes in a wide variety of blends, weaves and configurations, worn on different parts of the body with different layering, etc. in very different settings. Maybe there will be some testing, but I think it's unreasonable to expect it and the results will be of very limited usefulness. Hence, the article stuck to generalities based on what we do know, which is not the reporter's failure.

Off the top of my head I've described why it would be time consuming and difficult, and of very limited usefulness to us. However, I'm not a scientist and maybe they are doing such tests for all I know. The issue here is that billy.pilgrim has been whining for page after page because the reporter, who is also not a scientist, reported on the testing that has been done and how it might relate to clothing.

[Vrede too]

Vrede does it again. Still claiming that no one has studied how long the virus lives on fabric.

But vrede, there was that time you posted the article that said it lived on fabric for 1 to 10 hours.

Citation needed, very strange that you didn't post one. Even if true, "1 to 10 hours" is of limited usefulness to us, as I've been saying. Thanks for making my case, you're a peach!

[Vrede too]

Not my problem that you're too stupid to recognize the implications of your stupidity, or that you're too wussy to admit your stupidity, but it is my entertainment. Thank you.

Let's detail billy.pilgrim's many many flubs:

"Most of what we know about how long this novel coronavirus lives on surfaces comes from an important study published in The New England Journal of Medicine in March. The study found that the virus can survive, under ideal conditions, up to three days on hard metal surfaces and plastic and up to 24 hours on cardboard."

"But the study did not look at fabric. Still, most virus experts believe that the cardboard research offers clues about how the virus probably behaves on fabric."

Brought to you by the same people who last week said the opposite.

Who? Citation?

Challenge cowered from, as usual.

Bottom line - doing too much can't hurt, but not doing enough can kill you. 2 weeks ago "experts" were saying not to wear masks, 2 weeks before there was something else...

You're confused. The masks are mostly not to protect the lay person wearer. Rather, what changed is the research showing that asymptomatic people can be contagious. The masks are to protect others....

Correction cowered from, as usual.

The Best Coronavirus Face Mask Materials, According To A New Study

Also, since we touched on your misunderstanding:

... And remember: By covering your face in public, you are helping others to stay safe from anything you may be carrying. It’s more about their protection than your own.

Further correction cowered from, as usual.

... Same as the article that said don't wear masks.

Sigh, as I explained above and you're ignoring it was the experts that changed their opinion based on new science.

What "new science"?

Completely lost track, as usual.

As for typing mistakes - you know that I use a phone and don't preview like I should. Knowing that, you should have known that it wasn't "bizarre", just fat fongers.

Got it. You stuck "k9nanny " in the word "fabric" and you initially don't even know what happened, yet I am somehow supposed to figure it out and not call it "bizarre". How can I ever forgive myself?

Point cowered from, as usual.

Anyhow, this is not a discussion about whether journalists screw up. Of course they do and that's just your straw man to imply that I think otherwise. Rather, this discussion is about all the ways that you're confused about the first article I linked.

Point cowered from, as usual.

... Strange that he believes you can rinse soap off of your dishes but not your apples. Maybe he is unable to apply his knowledge to the real world.

"apples", a somewhat unique food, is your strawman. He actually writes more generally:

Washing fresh produce with soap? Soap should absolutely not be used to wash food. Soap is not designed for food. As mentioned in the linked thread, soap can cause nausea, vomiting and diarrhoea if ingested.

Point cowered from, as usual.

And I love the way he beat up the strawman who was leaving his ice cream in the garage for 3 days.

Face it vrede, people are saying all kinds of bullshit. Do ghis, but don't do it about pretty much everything.

Again, that is your straw man. I've never said otherwise. However, you've taken a completely unrelated article written by a person that you oddly confused with being a "journalist" despite its clear attribution and are claiming that doing so has some relevance to the first article I linked.

Point cowered from, as usual.

Why don't you write Donald Schaffner, a microbiologist and expert on food safety from Rutgers University, a stern note instead of making him part of our chat for no apparent reason?

Challenge cowered from, as usual.

Who demanded all fabrics be tested? Not me, that is another of your strawmen.

Ummm, it's the only way that your whiny demand can work. People wear different fabrics, duh.

Point cowered from, as usual.

Really, not knowing how long a fabric retains the virus isn't useful?

Would you really examine a list of all possible fabrics with their different manufacturers, weaves and blends and the differing virus retention and then compare it to the ones that you're wearing every time you go out? If not, the list would be useless.

Question and point cowered from, as usual.

Also, the 2nd article about fabric testing contradicts the first that states there hasn't been testing on fabric.

Are you pretending to be a moron or is it real?

The first article said "there hasn't been testing on fabric" for VIRUS RETENTION AND SUBSEQUENT INFECTION. The second article was about MASK suitability.

Why are you still confusing the two DIFFERENT types of testing for post after post? It's pitiful.

Questions and point cowered from, as usual.

Edit: I'm tired of all your fuck you comments and your constant use of childish name calling.

Your second post on the tangent, BEFORE I'd said anything harsh to you:

... Now you are talking like trump.

There is nothing, nothing more pathetic than someone that dishes it out only to screech like a toddler if it comes back at him. Grow up.

Proven crybaby hypocrisy cowered from, as usual.

So, here it is vrede, fuck you. I think your heart is in the right place, but you are one of those people who can't admit when they make a mistake.

You haven't found any, but you have run away from all but one of the mistakes you've made. Prove me wrong.

Challenge cowered from, as usual.

The study on mask materials measured ability to transmit/block virus, not addressing how long it lives.

Thank you. I'm at a loss as to why billy.pilgrim has been conflating the two for post after post, but it's depressing.

Point cowered from, as usual, even when O Really is the one to make it.

How humiliating for you, even more so that every screw up that you're busted in leads you to compound your shame with wussy deflections and further screw ups because that’s how delicate your ego is.

[Vrede too]

Morons, even when O Really tries to sort out your befuddlement. Pitiful.

Vrede dénd ne plega éaðe mid folc.

Vrede dénd ne plega éaðe mid folc.

Not even bothering, troll, you had your chance to post topically. Poor baby.

[billy.pilgrim]

Vrede dénd ne plega éaðe mid folc.

true dat

[Vrede too]

Georgia businesses reopen cautiously amid coronavirus worry

... Just across the state line in Anderson, South Carolina, a mall reopened on Friday after the governor allowed businesses that don’t involve close contact like jewelry stores, clothing boutiques and bookstores to restart.

Public health experts have warned that reopening too quickly could trigger a coronavirus resurgence. Preventing that will require increased testing and robust tracking of infected people’s contacts....

In unrelated news, my sane NC is rapidly erecting a wall along its border with Georgia and South Carolina.

[Whack9]

Georgia businesses reopen cautiously amid coronavirus worry

... Just across the state line in Anderson, South Carolina, a mall reopened on Friday after the governor allowed businesses that don’t involve close contact like jewelry stores, clothing boutiques and bookstores to restart.

Public health experts have warned that reopening too quickly could trigger a coronavirus resurgence. Preventing that will require increased testing and robust tracking of infected people’s contacts....

In unrelated news, my sane NC is rapidly erecting a wall along its border with Georgia and South Carolina.

I'm driving to NC tomorrow Do you guys get stopped and am I gonna have to state my business?

[bannination]

Georgia businesses reopen cautiously amid coronavirus worry

... Just across the state line in Anderson, South Carolina, a mall reopened on Friday after the governor allowed businesses that don’t involve close contact like jewelry stores, clothing boutiques and bookstores to restart.

Public health experts have warned that reopening too quickly could trigger a coronavirus resurgence. Preventing that will require increased testing and robust tracking of infected people’s contacts....

In unrelated news, my sane NC is rapidly erecting a wall along its border with Georgia and South Carolina.

I'm driving to NC tomorrow Do you guys get stopped and am I gonna have to state my business?

State your business and bend over for the anal cavity search.


//Not left the house in over a month now.

[O Really]

... the anal cavity search.

That would be generally referred to as the "trumphole."

[Vrede too]

I'm driving to NC tomorrow Do you guys get stopped and am I gonna have to state my business?

I've only been out 3 times or so, and just Hooterville streets. Not crowded, but there were plenty of other cars and no one getting stopped. I have not heard of any harsh enforcement anywhere, but it may vary by county and road. I'd suggest prepping a cover story and obeying all other laws just to be safe.

[O Really]

I'm driving to NC tomorrow Do you guys get stopped and am I gonna have to state my business?

I've only been out 3 times or so, and just Hooterville streets. Not crowded, but there were plenty of other cars and no one getting stopped. I have not heard of any harsh enforcement anywhere, but it may vary by county and road. I'd suggest prepping a cover story and obeying all other laws just to be safe.

The only strict enforcement of SIYFH orders here is for being in a closed park/facility, hanging around in groups and not dispersing, sneaking onto the beach/water. Nobody as far as I've seen has been stopped just for driving around or being parked in an open lot. But high-speed traffic tickets have been issued frequently for people driving in excess of 100mph on the freeways.

[billy.pilgrim]

Georgia businesses reopen cautiously amid coronavirus worry

... Just across the state line in Anderson, South Carolina, a mall reopened on Friday after the governor allowed businesses that don’t involve close contact like jewelry stores, clothing boutiques and bookstores to restart.

Public health experts have warned that reopening too quickly could trigger a coronavirus resurgence. Preventing that will require increased testing and robust tracking of infected people’s contacts....

In unrelated news, my sane NC is rapidly erecting a wall along its border with Georgia and South Carolina.

Little difference that I see between NC and Florida. Haven't both governors pretty much left things up to the local governments?

Aren't many of your beaches and parks still open?

[O Really]

Little difference that I see between NC and Florida. Haven't both governors pretty much left things up to the local governments?

IMNVHO, I think local government should be included and consulted, but my main problems with leaving it up to them are (a) they don't have first-hand access to the same scientific/medical/crisis management information that the governor has; and (b) they're more likely to be affected by their own situations and disregard the issues of the neighbouring areas. In our case, it makes no sense for Carlsbad to have different rules from Oceanside, Encinatas, and Vista that surround it. Parts of Orange County (Newport Beach and Huntington Beach) had opened beaches (with no parking and "limitations") and thousands of people showed up from all over from LA and San Diego. So if you live in LA and are getting record high temps this weekend and LA County beaches are closed, are you really going to leave Huntington and Newport to the locals?

https://abc7.com/society/heat-wave-draw ... s/6127891/

Will there be a #Californidiots trend?