2020 Elections

[billy.pilgrim]

No nothing wrong in ohio's 4th, it's our system to screw the will if the people.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio's_ ... l_district

Look at the shape of Jim Jordan's safe district

[neoplacebo]

No nothing wrong in ohio's 4th, it's our system to screw the will if the people.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio's_ ... l_district

Look at the shape of Jim Jordan's safe district

Gym Jordan is another who hates his country and his religion while he pretends just the opposite.

[Whack9]

Trumps approval is taking a steady nose dive:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/tr ... l-ratings/

[GoCubsGo]

Trumps approval is taking a steady nose dive:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/tr ... l-ratings/

Bout damn time.

[Vrede too]

Trumps approval is taking a steady nose dive:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/tr ... l-ratings/

I should be happy, but 42.6% Approve is still sad and distressing to me.

That said, Americans want to support their leaders during a crisis. PINO's rating is rotten compared to the huge bumps most world leaders and US governors are getting in their ratings.

[O Really]

I should be happy, but 42.6% Approve is still sad and distressing to me.

It would be interesting to know how many of that 42.6 actually do "approve" of Trump's performance and how many just answer "yes" because they're generally Republicans. Historically, about 40% of voters were solidly in one party; 40% in the other, and elections were fought over the remaining 20%. So maybe his being able to keep his poll up irrationally high may not be as frightening as it would seem. I may be aghast, but I have no real problem with somebody saying "Trump is an incompetent cruel fool, but I'll vote for him (e.g.) to protect the Republican majority, (b) to keep getting radical right-wing judges, (c) because there's no chance of getting another Republican this cycle, yada. But if someone says "Trump is good for the country, and I think he's doing a good job and I support all his policies... then that is one scary dude. And there are way too many of those around.

[Vrede too]

It would be interesting to know how many of that 42.6 actually do "approve" of Trump's performance and how many just answer "yes" because they're generally Republicans. Historically, about 40% of voters were solidly in one party; 40% in the other, and elections were fought over the remaining 20%. So maybe his being able to keep his poll up irrationally high may not be as frightening as it would seem. I may be aghast, but I have no real problem with somebody saying "Trump is an incompetent cruel fool, but I'll vote for him (e.g.) to protect the Republican majority, (b) to keep getting radical right-wing judges, (c) because there's no chance of getting another Republican this cycle, yada. But if someone says "Trump is good for the country, and I think he's doing a good job and I support all his policies... then that is one scary dude. And there are way too many of those around.

I see your point, but would wish that in a rational world even the former group would have limits. I guess not. I reached my limit with Bill Cinton when he threw Surgeon General Joycelyn Elders under the bus for being medically honest and accurate, and I think I voted 3rd party (not Perot) in 1996. However I voted, I would not have said that I approved of his presidency if asked.

... PINO's rating is rotten compared to the huge bumps most world leaders and US governors are getting in their ratings.

Including some GOP governors.

[O Really]

... I think I voted 3rd party (not Perot) in 1996.

How'd that work out for you?

[Vrede too]

... I think I voted 3rd party (not Perot) in 1996.

How'd that work out for you?

Clinton won reelection with or without me . I initially wrote that I did vote 3rd party in 1996, but I hedged because I looked it up and the race was tighter in my traditionally POTUS-red state than I remembered, thanks to Perot. I may have held my nose and voted for Clinton, after all. Anyhow, Dole still did barely win the state and reap its very measly electoral votes.

[billy.pilgrim]

Trumps approval is taking a steady nose dive:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/tr ... l-ratings/

I should be happy, but 42.6% Approve is still sad and distressing to me.

That said, Americans want to support their leaders during a crisis. PINO's rating is rotten compared to the huge bumps most world leaders and US governors are getting in their ratings.

Some do, but at least half of that 42.6% posted pictures of Michelle's dick or believed Obama was a Muslim or was born in Kenya or the law enforcement people who said they wouldn't enforce laws because Obama was president or the governor of Texas calling out the NG for Jade Helm.

Its been the same for as long as I can remember.

They hated Carter, then escalated for Clinton and were more than ready for Obama, not to mention Kerry, or any of the also rans.

They are personality driven and couldn't care less about country or office, unless it's their way they are taking the other side's ball and going home.

[Vrede too]

For Some Reluctant Trump Voters, Coronavirus Was The Last Straw

Don't want to scare them away, but it's still tempting to say, "We told you so."

Will Justin Amash disrupt the presidential election?

Michigan congressman Justin Amash on Tuesday announced he was forming an exploratory committee for a potential presidential run as a candidate for the Libertarian Party.

Amash first joined Congress as part of a wave of tea party Republicans elected on a platform of fiscal conservatism in the 2010 midterm elections. During his tenure, he was a frequent critic of the two-party system and occasionally broke with the GOP on key issues. He was the only non-Democrat in the House to vote in favor of impeaching Donald Trump for his conduct with Ukraine. Amash formally left the Republican Party in July of last year and served as an independent until joining the Libertarian Party this week.

Amash’s odds of winning the presidential election in November appear to be incredibly small. The Libertarian Party’s candidate in 2016, Gary Johnson, received just 3.3 percent of the vote. But third-party candidates can still play a major role in deciding who becomes president. Johnson and the Green Party’s Jill Stein each earned enough votes to cover Trump’s margin of victory over Hillary Clinton in several key swing states in the last election....

Those numbers can be misleading. Some of their voters would have not voted at all, and some or many of Johnson's voters would have otherwise voted for PINO.

Until 2 months ago I would have said that any 3rd party candidate would help 45SHOLE, but now one like Amash might give some marginal IMPOSPOTUS voters an alternative.

Maybe not, there a poll at the end of the article:

Who benefits more from Justin Amash joining the presidential race?
PINO 44%
Biden 29%
No impact 27%
1,247 votes

Yahoo! readers are probably a bit more liberal than America. We'll see.

[O Really]

So if the Libertarians didn't have Amash (or some other Don Quixote), who would they be more likely to vote for? Nobody? The self-proclaimed greatest governmental authority ever, or "generic Dem"? I've no idea, but if I know any Libertarians IRL they don't admit it around me.

[Vrede too]

So if the Libertarians didn't have Amash (or some other Don Quixote), who would they be more likely to vote for? Nobody? The self-proclaimed greatest governmental authority ever, or "generic Dem"? I've no idea, but if I know any Libertarians IRL they don't admit it around me.

This year, idk. Other years a mix of D, R and not voting, but I'm unsure of percentages. As this questionnaire illustrates, a lefty can be a social libertarian and a non economic libertarian.
viewtopic.php?p=37128#p37128

I couldn't remember where I fell on the political compass, so I took it again.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/test

[O Really]

This year, idk. Other years a mix of D, R and not voting, but I'm unsure of percentages. As this questionnaire illustrates, a lefty can be a social libertarian and a non economic libertarian.

No, the questionnaire grid uses "libertarian" in a generic sense, and as opposed to "authoritarian." It's not the same as the positions of the Libertarian Party. So if you vote for the Libertarian candidate for social issues you like, you're also voting for the economic and educational issues you might not like. And if you pick and choose, you're just another single-issue voter throwing his/her vote down the garburator. IMNVHO, I think any vote for Amash is mostly just a protest vote and could come from either PINO or GenDem.

[Vrede too]

No, the questionnaire grid uses "libertarian" in a generic sense, and as opposed to "authoritarian." It's not the same as the positions of the Libertarian Party. So if you vote for the Libertarian candidate for social issues you like, you're also voting for the economic and educational issues you might not like. And if you pick and choose, you're just another single-issue voter throwing his/her vote down the garburator. IMNVHO, I think any vote for Amash is mostly just a protest vote and could come from either PINO or GenDem.

I agree re the Libertarian Party. I was just describing why folks from either the left or right might be attracted to small 'l' libertarianism. Also, it seems that much of the money that flows to the Libertarian Party comes from corporate interests, not social libertarian entities.

As for Amash, could just be wishful thinking on my part that he'd be an outlet for marginal Trumpettes. The possibly liberal-ish Yahoo! readers agree with you, or worse.

Who benefits more from Justin Amash joining the presidential race?
PINO 43%
Biden 30%
No impact 27%
1,786 votes

[O Really]

If you look at it from the standpoint of political philosophy, Amash might be attractive to some hold-your-nose GenDem voters. However, if you look at it from the standpoint of those just wanting Trump out of office, GenDem isn't going to lose many votes to Amash.

[Vrede too]

If you look at it from the standpoint of political philosophy, Amash might be attractive to some hold-your-nose GenDem voters. However, if you look at it from the standpoint of those just wanting Trump out of office, GenDem isn't going to lose many votes to Amash.

Idk about the former. He came to the Libertarian Party from the TP wing of the Repugs and chaired the Liberty Caucus.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Amash

He is:

Anti-choice
Anti-death penalty
Economic con
Anti-environment
AGW denier
Anti-ACA
Anti-civil asset forfeiture
For Ending Federal Marijuana Prohibition
Somewhat anti-religion
For SSM
Anti-NSA, anti-FISA and anti-PATRIOT Act
Anti-Muslim ban
Anti-wall and an ICE skeptic
For decreasing U.S. military spending

Hmmm, not all terrible. Maybe if Biden pisses me off . . .

Spoiler:

No fuckin' way, not even if I decide to vote 3rd party for some reason.

[Vrede too]

Coronavirus scrambles Trump's chances in Florida

I THINK:
Biden can win without Florida.
PINO can't win without Florida.

[Vrede too]

CBS News poll: Elizabeth Warren tops Democrats' wish list for VP

I think Liz! is great, but no 77 year-old nominee would ever pick a 70 year-old running mate, and Joe won’t pick a progressive that’s smarter than he is.

He’s locked into selecting a woman, and I think he’ll pick the one that helps him most with all voters according to polling that his team does. Dem preferences are only a part of that calculation.













That's interesting.

All voters:

[GoCubsGo]

Preach it!