Michigan Governor Close To Signing Unpopular Union Busting L

[Reality]

Sure O'Really. TV stations are in the business of taking their investigative reporting to, in this situation, Chrysler. They didn't muck up anything. They got a hot news item and they presented it to the public. Do you watch Life Time or the news?

I suggest you go back and read the lib based post on this subject.

Only in your dreams Vred!

[O Really]

The TV station took video in a public place. They were entitled to show it on TV. But by doing so before giving management the opportunity to use their information and make a first-hand case, they made their video inadmissable. What part about that don't you understand? Your real issue is with the existence and use of an arbitration process.

[rstrong]

Still ducking.

Still ducking.

Still ducking.

I picture one of those 1960s film reels, played for for young Republicans.

"(static) When confronted by facts, (static) simply Duck and Cover."

[O Really]

Employment Arbitration Rules
and Mediation Procedures
Rules Amended and Effective November 1, 2009
Fee Schedule Amended and Effective June 1, 2010

30. Evidence
The parties may offer such evidence as is relevant and material to
the dispute and shall produce such evidence as the arbitrator deems
necessary to an understanding and determination of the dispute. All
evidence shall be taken in the presence of all of the arbitrators and
all of the parties, except where any party or arbitrator is absent, in
default, or has waived the right to be present, however “presence”
should not be construed to mandate that the parties and arbitrators
must be physically present in the same location.
An arbitrator or other person authorized by law to subpoena
witnesses or documents may do so upon the request of any party or
independently.

The arbitrator shall be the judge of the relevance and materiality of
the evidence offered, and conformity to legal rules of evidence shall
not be necessary. The arbitrator may in his or her discretion direct
the order of proof, bifurcate proceedings, exclude cumulative or
irrelevant testimony or other evidence, and direct the parties to focus
their presentations on issues the decision of which could dispose of all
or part of the case. All evidence shall be taken in the presence of all of
the arbitrators and all of the parties, except where any party is absent,
in default, or has waived the right to be present.
If the parties agree or the arbitrator directs that documents or
other evidence may be submitted to the arbitrator after the hearing,
the documents or other evidence shall be filed with the AAA for
transmission to the arbitrator, unless the parties agree to a different
method of distribution. All parties shall be afforded an opportunity to
examine such documents or other evidence and to lodge appropriate
objections, if any.

[Bungalow Bill]

Sorry, not everything that Fux News considers important is actually important.

[Supsalemgr]

Bunghy posted:

"Sorry, not everything that Fux News considers important is actually important."

Especially when it does not support the lib agenda.

[rstrong]

Even our resident Canadian conservative doesn't think that an impaired auto worker isn't potentially creating a safety hazzard, to the production line and the potential buyer

I specifically said the opposite. I said that a worker who showed up impaired could be fired.

For at least the third time: In this story there was no sign of this. Chrysler only found out the workers had a drink from a TV crew.

Not that I don't expect you to repeat the same lie ten more times. Doubling down on submoronic dishonesty is what you do.

and he thinks a worker who is on the clock but "off the line" taking a break can do whatever he/she wants to do

Not quite. What a worker does off the clock and off premises is their own business, so long as it does not significantly affect what they do on-premises and on the clock.

If you're a vegan you can ban hamburgers from your workplace, but you have no right to order employees to not eat meat when they leave the premises for lunch. If you don't like gambling, you still have no right to stop employees from buying a lottery ticket at lunch. You can't dictate that they don't have pre-marital sex when they go home for lunch.

Libertarians/liberals understand this whether progressive, or conservative like myself. Authoritarianists like yourself do not.

[Supsalemgr]

Bunghy posted:

"Sorry, not everything that Fux News considers important is actually important."

Especially when it does not support the lib agenda.

The problem is that the Faux Noise/Media Research Center/Dan Gainor agenda did not fit the facts (see above).

Plus, the violence and property destruction that did occur was pretty minor (probably more at a poorly attended MLB game) and Supsalemgr and the others are distressed that they can't smear all union folks by getting the nation to freak out about it.

Rationalize much?

[Supsalemgr]

I wonder if Vrede has seen the vdeo of the union thug punching the guy in Lansing? In the same tape it shows the thugs tearing down the tent with people still in it. That being said I am not surprised he is trying to divert from the union member actions or rationalizing those actions.

[O Really]

In this particular case, I agree with the opposition of this law. Yes, I do believe that some unions are corrupt and make the situation worse, but "right to work" is the other extreme and far too strong of a response. It gives to much power to the employers and has probably done much to suppress wages over the last several years. South Carolina has this law and as noted earlier, a company here can fire anyone anytime without cause as long as they don't violate any laws in doing so, especially those related to leftist political correctness. Anyone who thinks that the threat of dismissal doesn't stifle most demands for better pay or benefits is an idiot.

Unlike the stupid liberal stereotype of conservatives, some of us don't care any more for corporate free trader elitists than we do for big government idiot leftists.

[Bungalow Bill]

This is police blotter material, that's about it, and not much of a "fight." I think Steve
Who? agenda is to get his 15 minutes of fame and move a little bit up on the wingnut
totem pole. Nothing particularly wrong with that, but it's not a national news story.

It's hard to tell what happens in some of these videos, but I noticed that the dude that
punched Steve was on the ground and then he suddenly got up and punched little
Stevie, so I wonder how he got on the ground and why he would get up and punch
Stevie. And Steve, the rope-a-tent strategy doesn't work.

[Reality]

Michigan locals raise funds for 'hot dog guy' after union protesters destroy his supplies

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12 ... d%3D244928

Police blotter material Bungy? You're pretty soft on thugs who attack the innocent and, the culprits hid behind mask. Apparently they went to the protest to do harm.

[Supsalemgr]

The bill was introduced 12/6 and rammed through on 12/11, contravening any notion of democratic process, and for some odd reason I just can't get any of the Koch lovers here to comment on that. They'd rather turn the equivalent of a rather tame bar fight into the Watts Riots.

Is the legislature voting on the measure not a democratic process? Sour grapes noted.

[Bungalow Bill]

Yeah, probably somewhere below a bar fight. I don't know how the guy who punched
little Stevie wound up down on the ground. Until then, I'm not going to blame him for
anything. Stevie was down there to provoke people, and he succeeded. Later he told
Hannity he would be happy to arrange an in the ring "rematch." Sounds like Stevie is
more of a publicity hound than a contributor. If thousands of people went there to do
harm, they sure didn't wind up doing much.

[Supsalemgr]

As Obama so eloquently stated, "Elections have consequences".

[Supsalemgr]

This is a state issue and the citizens of MI elected a GOP House and Senate. Don't argue with me, take it up with the citizens of MI.

[Supsalemgr]

Please check the thread title. That is the context of the debate.

[Supsalemgr]

Diversion. "Unpopular" is an opinion of Stinger of which he is entitled. The subject is about the "Right to Work Law" in MI. Was Vrede taught sentence structuring in his government school?

[Supsalemgr]

Didn't run away. I just choose not to play the "tail chasing" game Vrede enjoys. When will he learn I don't do that? Go ahead and make another post so Vrede will have the last one. So predictable.

[Reality]

Repeat of the old BRN forum. Vred is sick. Has anyone noticed?