Warner terrorist or just a bomb exploder?

[billy.pilgrim]

What I'm hearing

It's not terrorism.
We may never know why he did it.

What I'm thinking

Would it be terrorism if Warner were black or Muslim?

I imagine that his own words might offer insight. Why aren't we seeing his social media postings?

What about bumper stickers on his cars and RV? Wouldn't a "Luddites are Us" or a Stop the Steal sticker point to why?

Yep, he's just a white guy who went a little wrong.

[Ulysses]

I think Warner was just nuts.

But at least he tried to minimize the injuries to people.

[billy.pilgrim]

L. Lyn Wood tweets that it was fake, a copycat goes to jail in Murfreesboro and more


https://www.thedailybeast.com/nashville ... like-qanon

[O Really]

So let's say the bottom line reason is that he's clinically depressed already, covid-lonely, and now he's got cancer of unspecified type. So he thinks "I'm gonna cash my chips." OK, so would could move along, with nothing to see here. The question is, if he ONLY wanted to off himself, why pick such a dramatic ending, and why that particular ending? Well, if he felt alone, desolate, and unknown or cared about, he could pick some way to go out in a blaze of glory so that everybody would know his name. OK, fine. He could blow himself up at his own house. But he picked downtown, in front of AT&T for some reason not related to his underlying desire to commit suicide. Ergo, he's a terrorist, and sure, if he were named Ahmad Muhammed everybody would be calling him one.

[Vrede too]

It's weird. I'm used to the right denying their terrorists and accusing leftism, not to them claiming a bomber as one of their own when his motives are still unclear.

What I'm hearing

It's not terrorism.
We may never know why he did it.

What I'm thinking

Would it be terrorism if Warner were black or Muslim?

Instantly.

No one that I've seen has mentioned any church attendance.

I imagine that his own words might offer insight. Why aren't we seeing his social media postings?

They're saying he didn't use social media, at least not that they've found yet.

What about bumper stickers on his cars and RV? Wouldn't a "Luddites are Us" or a Stop the Steal sticker point to why?

As a small business owner he might have shunned them, or he may have been largely apolitical. Seems a neighbor would have mentioned any by now.

Yep, he's just a white guy who went a little wrong.

I'm inclined to agree with O Really that he had a terrorist purpose, even if he didn't seek the usual body count and attention for his mission. However, I'm keeping an open mind.

[billy.pilgrim]

It's weird. I'm used to the right denying their terrorists and accusing leftism, not to them claiming a bomber as one of their own when his motives are still unclear.

What I'm hearing

It's not terrorism.
We may never know why he did it.

What I'm thinking

Would it be terrorism if Warner were black or Muslim?

Instantly.

No one that I've seen has mentioned any church attendance.

I imagine that his own words might offer insight. Why aren't we seeing his social media postings?

They're saying he didn't use social media, at least not that they've found yet.

What about bumper stickers on his cars and RV? Wouldn't a "Luddites are Us" or a Stop the Steal sticker point to why?

As a small business owner he might have shunned them, or he may have been largely apolitical. Seems a neighbor would have mentioned any by now.

Yep, he's just a white guy who went a little wrong.

******Edit - that was intended to be sarcasm. In my mind, he's all terrorist *****

I'm inclined to agree with O Really that he had a terrorist purpose, even if he didn't seek the usual body count and attention for his mission. However, I'm keeping an open mind.

[Vrede too]

Yep, he's just a white guy who went a little wrong.

******Edit - that was intended to be sarcasm. In my mind, he's all terrorist *****

I totally got your sarcasm and it may be apt. White con terrorists often get the "troubled" pass . There are many definitions for terrorism. The FBI's is often cited:

Terrorism Definitions

International terrorism: Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups who are inspired by, or associated with, designated foreign terrorist organizations or nations (state-sponsored).

Domestic terrorism: Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature.

It's not just the act, but also the ideological goal. If the 5G or QAnon rumors are borne out, then he's a terrorist. However, he could end up just being a mystery and/or an asshole like the Las Vegas country music concert shooter.

[O Really]

I think the commonly used definition of "terrorist" is a bit too narrow. Sure, you've got your ideological/political terrorists, but any motive that results in an attempt to make a point or frighten people should be some level of terrorism. Maybe like degrees used in other felonies. If you chunk a molotov cocktail at your neighbor's house because he's an asshole, you're not a terrorist. But if you chunk them at a random house to discourage people from moving to the neighbourhood, then you are a terrorist.

[Vrede too]

I think the commonly used definition of "terrorist" is a bit too narrow. Sure, you've got your ideological/political terrorists, but any motive that results in an attempt to make a point or frighten people should be some level of terrorism. Maybe like degrees used in other felonies. If you chunk a molotov cocktail at your neighbor's house because he's an asshole, you're not a terrorist. But if you chunk them at a random house to discourage people from moving to the neighbourhood, then you are a terrorist.

The FBI's definition of "ideological" is pretty broad - "such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature." Your 2nd example would likely be "social," or perhaps "religious ... racial, or environmental".

Let's say that AT&T was targeted, which is still uncertain. If Warner had billing, service or business issues with it, I might hesitate to call it terrorism. If this was meant to be a blow against 5G, I'd call it terrorism.

[billy.pilgrim]

I thought any attack on infrastructure including taking pictures of poultry abuse, food production etc got bumped to terrorism within the past few years.

[Vrede too]

I thought any attack on infrastructure including taking pictures of poultry abuse, food production etc got bumped to terrorism within the past few years.

Some attacks on infrastructure are now called terrorism. In other cases, it's just new laws or stiffer penalties. But, we're still not sure that AT&T was targeted or why. Ag-Gag laws suck, but Idk if any go as far as terrorism.

[O Really]

The FBI's definition of "ideological" is pretty broad - "such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature."

May be, but apparently not when it comes to bringing charges.

[Vrede too]

The FBI's definition of "ideological" is pretty broad - "such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature."

May be, but apparently not when it comes to bringing charges.

I also think that the feds leave most prosecution of domestic terrorism by US citizen perps to the states, but I may be wrong.

[billy.pilgrim]

Cop : Let me see your rv.

Bomb guy : [with a small wave of his hand]  You don't need to see my rv.

Cop : We don't need to see his rv.

Bomb guy : This isn't the rv you're looking for.

Cop : This isn't the rv we're looking for. Maybe we should alert the fbi.

FBI : Let me see your rv.

Bomb guy : [with a small wave of his hand]  You don't need to see my rv.

FBI : We don't need to see his rv.

Bomb guy : This isn't the rv you're looking for.

FBI : This isn't the rv we're looking for.

Bomb guy : I can go about my business.

FBI : You can go about your business.

Bomb Guy : Move along.

FBI : Move along... move along.

https://www.wjhl.com/news/regional/tenn ... ing-bombs/

[O Really]

Wait - the guy's girlfriend says he's making bombs in the RV; the guy's own lawyer says he's talked about bombs and is probably capable of making them. Yet the police don't consider that probable cause for a warrant? Eejits.

Or maybe it's legal to make bombs in Tennessee. Never know when you might have to blow up a still before the revenooers get there.

[billy.pilgrim]

Wait - the guy's girlfriend says he's making bombs in the RV; the guy's own lawyer says he's talked about bombs and is probably capable of making them. Yet the police don't consider that probable cause for a warrant? Eejits.

Or maybe it's legal to make bombs in Tennessee. Never know when you might have to blow up a still before the revenooers get there.

The fbi knew also.

[billy.pilgrim]

Wait - the guy's girlfriend says he's making bombs in the RV; the guy's own lawyer says he's talked about bombs and is probably capable of making them. Yet the police don't consider that probable cause for a warrant? Eejits.

Or maybe it's legal to make bombs in Tennessee. Never know when you might have to blow up a still before the revenooers get there.

SWAT is reserved for serious crimes like pot possession

The local cops tried to get away with hiding the earlier incident. No word from the fbi.

"Nashville Police Chief John Drake is defending the investigative work by his department, and he says he thinks they essentially did all they were legally allowed to do in August 2019 when warned about downtown bomber Anthony Warner.

“Officers didn’t take it lightly,” Drake said Wednesday. “They had no basis for a search warrant or a subpoena … the officers couldn’t do anymore at that point.”'

Got it. Police warned that the guy is making a bomb, but ...

"After trying to reach Warner for several days — and sharing information to the FBI — local police discontinued their investigation the following week."

Yeah, we drove by a few times and passed it on.

"Once the chief knew of the prior report, it was two days until the department’s first public acknowledgment of it. That happened Tuesday night after local reporters filed requests for public records. The department also shared a narrative — not included in the police report — seeking to explain why the investigation was concluded about a week after Warner came to its attention.

Drake says his staff was also slowed by AT&T outages and a flood of calls inquiries from media"

Damn, it's at&t's fault and the media, the media.


https://wpln.org/post/nashville-police- ... ut-bomber/

[O Really]

Well, maybe the cops couldn't get a search warrant based solely on the word of the (possibly vindictive) girlfriend, but the guy's own effin' lawyer collaborated it. But yeah, it's probably the media's fault.

[billy.pilgrim]

Well, maybe the cops couldn't get a search warrant based solely on the word of the (possibly vindictive) girlfriend, but the guy's own effin' lawyer collaborated it. But yeah, it's probably the media's fault.

"Legal Experts Question Why Police Never Sought A Search Warrant After Warning About Nashville Bomber"

https://wpln.org/post/legal-experts-que ... le-bomber/

"But former federal prosecutor Steve Miller says police had more than enough evidence for a warrant. And officers had nothing to lose by at least trying to get one.

“There is zero legal consequence for trying to obtain a search warrant,” he says. “If it’s granted, a judge has granted it, and it will overwhelmingly be upheld by the courts later on. If it’s denied, it’s been denied, and no one’s rights have been violated.'”

[neoplacebo]

Nashville cats play clean as country water.....Nashville cats play wild as mountain dew. Legal experts stumble in the dark.