rstrong wrote:...Vancouver is far more ethnically diverse than Seattle, and the gun disparity still exists.
No doubt you could explain a 10 or 12% difference with some credibility. But not a 1219% difference. The one thing that's proven many times over, is that there is less gun violence where there are more restrictions on guns.
No wonder that the NRA has opposed research on effects of gun ownership/gun laws.
The NRA’s war on gun science
In addition to fighting gun laws, the gun lobby has spent the past 20 years fighting research into gun safety.
The Centers for Disease Control funds research into the causes of death in the United States, including firearms — or at least it used to. In 1996, after various studies funded by the agency found that guns can be dangerous, the gun lobby mobilized to punish the agency. First, Republicans tried to eliminate entirely the National Center for Injury Prevention and Control, the bureau responsible for the research. When that failed, Rep. Jay Dickey, a Republican from Arkansas, successfully pushed through an amendment that stripped $2.6 million from the CDC’s budget (the amount it had spent on gun research in the previous year) and outlawed research on gun control with a provision that reads: “None of the funds made available for injury prevention and control at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention may be used to advocate or promote gun control.”
Dickey’s clause, which remains in effect today, has had a chilling effect on all scientific research into gun safety, as gun rights advocates view “advocacy” as any research that notices that guns are dangerous. Stephen Teret, who co-directs the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research, told Salon: “They sent a message and the message was heard loud and clear. People [at the CDC], then and now, know that if they start going down that road, their budget is going to be vulnerable. And the way public agencies work, they know how this works and they’re not going to stick their necks out.”
In January, the New York Times reported that the CDC goes so far as to “ask researchers it finances to give it a heads-up anytime they are publishing studies that have anything to do with firearms. The agency, in turn, relays this information to the NRA as a courtesy.”
Stinger wrote:Too bad they didn't teach you any math in that college education you had to qualify for the DEA.
That's not all they taught me in the DEA you wimpyass faggot.
They didn't teach you anything in the DEA, you pathetic liar. You were never in the DEA. You couldn't qualify. You're not smart enough and don't have the required education.
Tell you what, Keyboard Rambo; I believe I saw where you said you live in Gainesville. I've got to be in Gainesville in three weeks; and if you will PM me your email address and/or phone number, I'll let you know exactly when I'll be there.
Just post when you get here. I know some more remote places out in the country.
I have an acquaintance who owns an MMA Gym off S.W. 34th., and I'm sure he'll let us borrow a ring for a bit of sparring.
Post the name of the gym. I'll contact the owner.
All out in the open, no weapons, just bare or gloved hands. If you like I'll be happy to show you just what the DEA teaches in addition to math.
Again, you were never in the DEA. You flunked the terminology. You couldn't qualify if you wanted. They require degrees that you don't have.
Now, I may be biting off more than I can chew; I might get my ass kicked.
Or worse.
I'm only 5' 8", 169 pounds and am 62 years old. I've only had my ass kicked maybe six times, but I'm still in good physical shape. You want to put your alligator mouth in the ring with me? Just say yes or no, no shame in backing down.
Like I said. Post the name of the gym. I'll contact the owner about his ex-DEA friend from out west somewhere. Then I'll find us a nice remote location.
I'm guessing this is more BS that you will never back up.
Following the Sandy Hook massacre of twenty first graders with an assault rifle, but the gun lobby is now threatening violent revolution. Appearing on MSNBC on Monday, the executive director of Gun Owners of America, Larry Pratt, argued that the right to bear arms is necessary to make our democratic government cower in fear of gun owners. Pratt said, "We have guns fundamentally protected by the Second Amendment to control the government." He went on to saythat he thinks it "bothers lawmakers" that armed Americans can attack them with assault weapons, a position Gabby Giffords probably agrees with.
This is the position the gun lobby is taking in response to the deafening calls around the nation for new gun safety laws, which would prohibit the sale of the very assault weapons and high capacity ammo clips that are routinely used in these deadly massacres. It's a "pry my gun from my cold dead hands," approach, which could have tragic consequences - stirring up secessionist crazies around the nation.
Our nation is again dealing with a tragedy that happens all too often, yet the corporate gun lobby, focused more on profits than on safety, is helping set up more and more mass shootings in the future. We know how to respond to danger here in America. One shoe bomber, and we all take off our shoes at the airport. One threat of binary liquids and we can't carry liquids on airplanes. One underwear bomber, and we put in billions of dollars in porno x-ray scanners and grope granny. There are more than twenty mass shootings every year in America and over a hundred people are shot every day...but we can't do something about guns?
Trump: “We had the safest border in the history of our country - or at least recorded history. I guess maybe a thousand years ago it was even better.”
...The U.S. is home to 270 million privately held guns, which equates to an average of nine guns per 10 people. (In second place, with roughly 1 gun for every two people, is Yemen, "a conflict-torn Arab nation still dealing with poverty, political unrest, a separatist Shia urgency, an al Qaeda branch, and the aftereffects of a 1994 civil war," notes Max Fisher at The Washington Post.) It is no coincidence that the U.S. also boasts the highest rate of gun-related deaths among developed countries — an American is 20 times more likely to die at the hands of a gun then another member of the developed world...
"God takes pity on the kindergarten children" poet Yehuda Amichai wrote bitterly of a country in which it is the grownups," often Israeli soldiers, who are forced to pay the price. In America, God has no favorites: He allows even tiny angels to be massacred in a crazed and senselessly obsessed outburst of a lone gunman, armed to the teeth.
Perhaps, when President Barack Obama was shedding a tear, he grieved not only as a parent who thinks of his own children but also as a president who cries for his beloved country. These unthinkable but nonetheless recurring bloodbaths by shooting are peculiarly, if not exclusively, American, a stain on its image that gets brutally bigger as time goes by.
America is not ready to talk about how it is easier to get a handgun than it is to see a doctor, not ready to speak about the video games that have extreme violence. It is just willing to sweep up everything under the carpet of tears.
How fortunate we are that in the United Arab Emirates such an event would appear to be almost inconceivable. Long may that remain so…
In the U.A.E., with about 8 million people, an equivalent rate would be 222 gun-related deaths annually. Yet so far this year, as far as I can see, there's been one — and that was either a suicide or an accident.
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They probably need nurses in the U.A.E. Then Vrede would be removed form us here.
Hell, that's because all those people have automatic weapons, but they just shoot into the air. A couple of months ago, I think it was almost two dozen were killed at a wedding because of shooting into the air and severing electrical cables which then fell onto the shooters and guests, electrocuting a good many of them. Ok.
Supsalemgr wrote:They probably need nurses in the U.A.E. Then Vrede would be removed form us here.
Poor thing, just can't muster a contribution to the topic other than satisfying his obsession with attacking me. I almost feel bad about embarrassing him so often, almost.
Have I said that I'm a nurse?
That is my impression, if not maybe Vrede can clarify. Imposter as a health care professional?
I'll also be in FL in 3 weeks, let me know the details when you two get them settled. Barring that, please video and share.
Me, too. Would not want to miss it. To be clear, I do not mean I will be in Florida anytime in the near future....but I wouldn't mind it.
Leo just stepped over a line from which he can, now, never step back.
The threat of violently engaging another member of this forum has no place in this forum.
I don't own a gun. I don't need one. I don't hunt and I don't shoot anything.
I get a possum or a raccoon in my house via the cat door sometimes but I just herd them back outside.
Leo, you are a scared individual especially when you present an inclination to engage in fist-a-cuffs with a fellow member of this forum.
You need help, Leo.
Yeah. One would think that at 60 or so, or whatever age he claims, he would have learned that violent confrontations solve nothing other than begetting more violence.
He (Leo) is an emotionally stunted individual and should to seek help.
I wonder how many guns he'll be packing when he makes his way to Florida ...
Vrede wrote:I saw it as more of an invitation than a threat. Leo Lyons likes his rough stuff (NTTAWWT) to be consensual.
Regardless, Vrede, I saw it as a threat to say "I can't refute you so let's fight it out with fists."
Wrong, Mike. Leo Lyin' could so very, very easily refute me . . . if any of his bullshit were true. He could repost he fairy tale to see if it passes the sniff test. He could offer proof of his college education and DEA career . . . if any of his bullshit were true. He could even get his former DEA colleagues to track me down for him . . . if any of his bullshit were true.
But it's not, so he can't, so he digresses -- i.e cuts and runs -- to divert from his lies.
Pathetic on the part of the very short and lightweight Leo, I think.
billy.pilgrim wrote: We know how to respond to danger here in America. One shoe bomber, and we all take off our shoes at the airport. One threat of binary liquids and we can't carry liquids on airplanes. One underwear bomber, and we put in billions of dollars in porno x-ray scanners and grope granny. There are more than twenty mass shootings every year in America and over a hundred people are shot every day...but we can't do something about guns?
We do? Tim McVeigh killed 168 people, 19 under the age of 6, and wounded 680. His act took about half a second to complete but we can still buy fertilizer, fuel, and rent box trucks....sometimes all at the same location. The Bath, Michigan incident, deadliest school incident in American history, was a bomb. A bomb that was built and detonated in 1927!
The Aurora, Colorado shooter passed several theaters closer to his residence and showing the same movie before stopping at the Century Theater. The Century was the closest one that BANNED concealed carry on their premises....at all the others potential victims could have been armed.
Sure we know how to deal with danger....disarm the law abiding citizenry to make them easier victims.
billy.pilgrim wrote: We know how to respond to danger here in America. One shoe bomber, and we all take off our shoes at the airport. One threat of binary liquids and we can't carry liquids on airplanes. One underwear bomber, and we put in billions of dollars in porno x-ray scanners and grope granny. There are more than twenty mass shootings every year in America and over a hundred people are shot every day...but we can't do something about guns?
We do? Tim McVeigh killed 168 people, 19 under the age of 6, and wounded 680. His act took about half a second to complete but we can still buy fertilizer, fuel, and rent box trucks....sometimes all at the same location. The Bath, Michigan incident, deadliest school incident in American history, was a bomb. A bomb that was built and detonated in 1927!
The Aurora, Colorado shooter passed several theaters closer to his residence and showing the same movie before stopping at the Century Theater. The Century was the closest one that BANNED concealed carry on their premises....at all the others potential victims could have been armed.
Sure we know how to deal with danger....disarm the law abiding citizenry to make them easier victims.
Rent a box truck and go try to buy the same amount of ammonium nitrate fertilizer McVeigh did.
To be clear, I do not mean I will be in Florida anytime in the near future....but I wouldn't mind it.
