Baseball

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Crap, Las Vegas may be getting the As, too.

Athletics could have temporary home at Las Vegas Triple-A park

What plays in Vegas stays in Vegas. Might not be smart to practice serial grand theft in Oakland.

[O Really]

Good Grief. New mascot replacing Chief Wahoo for the Cleveland Baseball Team, the (drum roll) Guardians!




https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/mlb/me ... ?ocid=iehp

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Good Grief. New mascot replacing Chief Wahoo for the Cleveland Baseball Team, the (drum roll) Guardians!

Actually, Chief Wahoo retired in 2018.

Further discussion of the new team name:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=406&p=140639#p140639

[O Really]

The Cleveland team - and others - wouldn't be having Indian problems if they'd taken an approach like the minor league Spokane Indians. The Spokane Tribe is actually one of the team sponsors, they have an alternate jersey with the team name in Salish, as well as stadium signs in Salish (as well as English, duh). Interesting story.

https://news.sportslogos.net/2020/07/19 ... /baseball/

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The Cleveland team - and others - wouldn't be having Indian problems if they'd taken an approach like the minor league Spokane Indians. The Spokane Tribe is actually one of the team sponsors, they have an alternate jersey with the team name in Salish, as well as stadium signs in Salish (as well as English, duh). Interesting story.

https://news.sportslogos.net/2020/07/19 ... /baseball/

"Indians" is not inherently a racist name.

... While some historical iterations of the team had logos with cartoon Native Americans or head dresses, the team had not used Native American imagery since it was purchased by Brett Sports & Entertainment (including notable partner George Brett) in 1986. The decision to include a feather in the new logo was the result of a lot of conversation.

“When we met with council, the takeaways were, we’re a baseball team first, and we want to incorporate as much as we can of the imagery that’s important to the tribe into it,” Otto Klein said. “We said, okay, what type of imagery is important to you? And they said, the salmon, the horse, the eagle, the feather, the wolf, the river….”

... The second significant moment in the team’s branding came in 2014, when the team unveiled uniforms with the Salish word “Sp’q’n’i” (Spokane) across the front. It was the first time a Native American word had been used by any professional team in this way, earning it a spot in the permanent collection of the National Baseball Hall of Fame....



In 2017, the Indians added an alternate identity as part of a larger campaign with the tribe and the city to raise awareness and promote conservation of redband trout, one of the first foods of the Spokane Tribe.



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That's hilarious.

If the Cleveland org had been smart enough to dump Wahoo in 1986, which I'm sure many were already calling for, and had worked with a tribe to create a mascot honoring a Lake Erie fish, they might still be named the Indians.

[O Really]

And maybe pick a Lake Erie fish that doesn't come with warnings from three state agencies. Maybe they could be the Cleveland Carp.

https://sanduskyregister.com/news/7218/ ... you-catch/

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And maybe pick a Lake Erie fish that doesn't come with warnings from three state agencies. Maybe they could be the Cleveland Carp.

https://sanduskyregister.com/news/7218/ ... you-catch/

Idk, in bad years 'Cleveland Crap' would have been to hard to resist.

Moot now, but maybe they could have gone with a bird then. Mercury in fish doesn't really fit with the NA motif.

This is interesting. I wondered why Tom did it.

Why Tom Hanks, native Californian, voiced that Cleveland Guardians video

Good for him. Why the team would go for it is obvious:

... "Really respect the Indians calling in the big guns. MUCH harder to be mad about a new name if Tom Hanks is announcing it," a Barstool Sports reporter added.

[O Really]

... "Really respect the Indians calling in the big guns. MUCH harder to be mad about a new name if Tom Hanks is announcing it," a Barstool Sports reporter added.

I dunno. I doubt it would make any difference to the fans who announced that, for example, "The Green Bay Football Team is happy to announce that beginning with the 2021 season, they will be the 'Hodags', in recognition of the myths of some random statue in Rhinelander."

[GoCubsGo]

Great guy, great Cub.

[Ulysses]

Local news has it recently that the City of Oakland and the Oakland A's team have resumed negotiations over building a new ball park within city limits.

Personally I kind of like the Oakland Coliseum, mostly because I can jump on a BART train and be there in a few stops. After all, the nearest station's name is "Coliseum". The problem with the Howard Terminal proposed site is, AFAIK, there is no BART train service to it. And apparently parking is going to be quite limited. Although I don't doubt that there will be some sort of shuttle service from the nearest BART station to the new ball park.

Anyway, this may be the last, or next to the last, summer of MLB in Oakland. Maybe I should get a ticket.

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Yeah, I might need a new username.

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Yeah, I might need a new username.

GoXCubsGo?

You know who is crushing their division? GoWhite SoxGo.

[GoCubsGo]

Yeah, I might need a new username.

GoXCubsGo?

You know who is crushing their division? GoWhite SoxGo.

Not quite the same.

[O Really]

"Cleveland Guardians"
Opps.

https://www.clevelandguardians.com/

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"Cleveland Guardians"
Opps.

https://www.clevelandguardians.com/

Maybe opps, or maybe just a business expense.

The original Cleveland Guardians? This roller derby team could cash in on Indians' name change

The skaters deserve and will get something, but I can't imagine how what case they can make that this will disadvantage them.

Copyrighting ‘Cleveland Guardians’ a bit tricky and potentially expensive for Indians
A handful of copyrights for the new team name had already existed, before Indians’ announcement.

I am disgusted by opportunistic leeches with no skin in the game that copyright names just because they can.

[O Really]

I am disgusted by opportunistic leeches with no skin in the game that copyright names just because they can.

Yeah, that may be, but that wasn't the case with the roller derby guys.
I'm just laughing at the incompetence of the copyright researchers that didn't dig out/resolve these things before the big reveal. Probably some first year associates somewhere sweating their 80-hour/week basement cubicle jobs.

Maybe the roller derby team could use the "Indians" name.

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I am disgusted by opportunistic leeches with no skin in the game that copyright names just because they can.

Yeah, that may be, but that wasn't the case with the roller derby guys.
I'm just laughing at the incompetence of the copyright researchers that didn't dig out/resolve these things before the big reveal. Probably some first year associates somewhere sweating their 80-hour/week basement cubicle jobs.

Maybe the roller derby team could use the "Indians" name.

Sorry I wasn't clear. My first sentence referenced the skaters, and the article suggests that the MLB team was not ignorant of them. Idk, but I think the skaters will keep the name and benefit from it while the MLB team will not be hurt by it other than the initial payout that they may have planned for all along.

The sentence of mine that you quote references the copyright vultures only, and the lawyers will sort out what those assholes end up costing the team. Those slime probably had all likely names covered.

[O Really]

Out of curiosity, why is speculatively investing in a website name that one hopes will increase in value because others want it and thus earn a large profit not a legitimate enterprise, or how does it differ from buying stock? A person has some money to invest; they invest that money in the legal purchase of website names; they assume the risk of their purchase, not knowing if they will profit or not; if a willing buyer comes along, they sell at a price agreed to by both parties, the amount of which is largely determined by how much the buyer wants the name. No different from buying up vacant lots and hoping somebody will want to put up a big commercial development.

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Out of curiosity, why is speculatively investing in a website name that one hopes will increase in value because others want it and thus earn a large profit not a legitimate enterprise, or how does it differ from buying stock? A person has some money to invest; they invest that money in the legal purchase of website names; they assume the risk of their purchase, not knowing if they will profit or not; if a willing buyer comes along, they sell at a price agreed to by both parties, the amount of which is largely determined by how much the buyer wants the name. No different from buying up vacant lots and hoping somebody will want to put up a big commercial development.

It is legal afaik.
It's hardly an investment, other than a minimal copyright fee.
IMO it's slackers with zero skills preying on the legit achievements of others. I do agree that this sometimes, but not always, applies to stock traders and real estate speculators.

Why, have you done some copyright poaching?

[O Really]

Why, have you done some copyright poaching?

No, but I probably would. I'd think you have to plan pretty far ahead. By the time rumours are around or knowledgeable speculation, it's probably too late. And, you have to grab enough to cover for alternatives. Let's say you (1) believed the Redskins name would get ditched, and (2) incompetent and unimaginative owner wouldn't be able to come up with a decent name, and (3) they'd end up just aspirationally calling themselves a "football team." You'd have to guess and secure not only "washingtonfootball" that they're using, but also alternates like "washingtonfootballteam' and "thewashingtonteam" and "snydersfollyteam", etc. It's probably not very easy to actually make a big haul.

BTW, if Oxford is correct, "investment" is "the action or process of investing money for profit or material result." I don't think there's a minimum ante.