California Recall

[Vrede too]

Dr Phil is a screw up, coward and crybaby.
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Poor thing.

[O Really]

Here's the temporarily leading alternative candidate.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/29-old-youtu ... 37668.html
What, me worry?

[Vrede too]

Altering others' posts is childish, desperate and sleazy, as is inventing 3rd party praise for yourself. Plus, you're still cowering, Useless, cowering. Awww.

And yet you, (Vrede too), do it all the time.

Pitiful projecting liar when busted. Ick.

Link us an example, pussy.

[Ulysses]

Altering others' posts is childish, desperate and sleazy, as is inventing 3rd party praise for yourself. Plus, you're still cowering, Useless, cowering. Awww.

And yet you, (Vrede too), do it all the time.

Pitiful projecting liar when busted. Ick.

Link us an example, pussy.

It's in this thread. You're just too ocd to see it.

[Vrede too]

I knew that you would cower from linking an example, lying pussy.

[Vrede too]

GOP Front-Runner In California Gubernatorial Recall Defends Workplace Pregnancy Remarks
Larry Elder, a conservative talk show host hoping to replace Gov. Gavin Newsom, drew bipartisan criticism over his past comments about pregnant employees.

California Republican gubernatorial front-runner Larry Elder drew bipartisan criticism this week over controversial remarks about women, including his belief that employers should be able to ask women if and when they plan to get pregnant.

Elder, a conservative radio talk-show host vying to replace California Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) in next month’s recall election, first expressed his opinion on pregnancy in the workplace in a 2002 book, arguing that pregnant employees could increase costs for businesses that are just getting off the ground.

He defended his view on Wednesday after receiving criticism from former San Diego Mayor Kevin Faulconer, one of his GOP rivals in the recall election.

“I believe... government should not be intruding into the relationship between employer and employee,” Elder said at a news conference Wednesday.

Federal and state laws prohibit workplace discrimination based on pregnancy, including when it comes to hiring, firing and promotions.

Faulconer has struggled to gain traction in the crowded race of 47 candidates. Like the other major GOP contenders, he has been critical of Newsom and his handling of crime, homelessness and COVID-19 restrictions. But this week’s shots at Elder were his first directed at a fellow recall candidate.

“Every undecided voter — pay attention,” Faulconer tweeted Wednesday in response to Elder’s news conference. “These are not California values. These are not Republican, Democrat or independent values. Larry Elder is doubling down on his attacks on working women and California families.”

Newsom has been equally critical of Elder, warning voters earlier this week that he would be to “the right of Donald Trump” if elected governor....

California GOP Recall Candidate Once Called Trump Sexual Assault Allegations ‘Child’s Play’
In 2017, Larry Elder played down the allegations against Donald Trump, saying they weren’t nearly as bad as the claims against Harvey Weinstein.

... Elder has also promoted vaccine conspiracies and touted the endorsement of an accused Jan. 6 rioter at the U.S. Capitol. His campaign did not respond to a request for comment for this story....

The race has huge stakes for national politics and Biden’s agenda. Democrats have just a one-vote majority in the Senate, and the governor of California has the ability to appoint a senator should there be a vacancy.

There has been significant focus on the seat of 88-year-old Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), and the question of whether she might retire early or be unable to serve out her current term. If a Republican becomes governor and gets to appoint a senator to fill Feinstein’s seat, it would tip the balance of the Senate.

Ut-oh.

California Recall Debate Turns Weird As GOP Candidate Gets Hit With Subpoena
John Cox was the target of flung papers related to unpaid debts from his 2018 campaign for governor.

[Ulysses]

It appears that the yes and no votes on whether to recall California Governor Newsom are "within the margin of error", according to CNN, which cites a CBS/Yougov poll conducted earlier in August that it says shows the No votes at 52%, and the Yes votes at 48%. Polling analysis website 538.com however shows a similar spread, with Newsom getting 50.6% No vs. 46.3 Yes to recall him. But since it's an average of a number of polls, no margin of error is given.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/ca ... all-polls/



Meanwhile local TV stations have been running a lot of paid ads pro and con. Weirdest are those of Republican Cox, who features an animated bear pounding a desk. Just why, I'm not entirely sure, but the grizzly bear (which can no longer be found in the state) is sort of the California symbol. Meanwhile US Senator Elizabeth Warren has lent her voice and image to a number of TV spots urging a No vote on the recall. I also saw a TV spot urging a No vote from US Senator Bernie Sanders.

Clearly turnout will be a major factor in this election.

An odd aspect is that officially the state Democratic party and the Newsom campaign are asking people to vote No on the first question of whether or not to recall Newsom, but also recommending the selection of his replacement to be left blank. I suppose this reflects a need to focus on getting the No votes, without the distraction of choosing his potential replacement. I can understand the logic there, but it does point out how effed up the whole recall process is. The leading Dem, Kevin Paffrath, is a Youtube millionaire who has some oddities as well, including his proposal for the construction of a water pipeline to California from the Mississippi river.

Personally I haven't quite decided if I'll leave the replacement choice blank or not. Of course I'll be voting No on the recall, though.

[Ulysses]

I knew that you would cower from linking an example, lying pussy.

OK, here it is:

(Vrede too) strikes agin!

Useless cowers from his flub, bigotry, funny hypocrisy, and a question, again.

Text of my post that YOU ALTERED is in nice shade of red.

My original post:

Vrocde strikes agin!

I had written: "Vrocde strikes agin!"

You changed that to "(Vrede too) strikes agin!"

You been busted big time!

Reading comprehension problem? Or just denial of your own flaws?

Too bad, so sad.

Creep!

[Vrede too]

2 weeks to respond? I guess I successfully triggered you, again, and you've been twisted up over it ever since.


Hah, I knew that's what you were stupidly screeching about, Useless. You big fucking crybaby, I have no responsibility to repeat your childish, gibberish alteration of my handle AND I make the restoration clear by placing 'Vrede too' in parentheses. This is entirely different from your alteration of the substantive content of my post when supposedly quoting me, without any indication that you made a change.

Thank you for proving once again that you are an obsessed whiny moron!

[neoplacebo]

The governor will bolt out of the governor's mansion on fire in the middle of the night and leave the country. Useless will do the same the next day but will only go to the corner liquor store and pretend to be useless. Someone will throw a live coaplacebo from a moving car on him, he will go berserk, alert the media, and the story will overtake all wildfire news. Sow Jones was found dead at the side of the road. The stench was overwhelming. Your mileage may vary. And will.

[Ulysses]

Here's the temporarily leading alternative candidate.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/29-old-youtu ... 37668.html
What, me worry?

What's his name, yeah, Paffrath, has slipped well behind Elder in the polling.

Meanwhile Elder says he doesn't know if climate change is real or not.

And Cox's silly ads are still flooding the tube.

Where does the GOP find these fools?

I was going to wait until I could find a candidate on the ballot (of some 46) that I thought deserved my vote. I'm giving up on that. I'll just vote NO on the recall, leave the second page blank, and send it off in the next day or two.

[Vrede too]

Having done nearly zero research, I would google the candidates below and vote for one of them:

Jacqueline McGowan, Democratic, cannabis advocate and business owner
Heather Collins, Green, hairstylist
Dan Kapelovitz, Green, criminal defense attorney and former Hustler editor
David Moore, No qualified party preference, teacher and Socialist Equality Party candidate in the 2018 United States Senate election in California
Daniel Watts, Democratic, free speech lawyer and Green candidate in the 2003 California gubernatorial recall election
This list could be expanded to include the others claiming to be Dems.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Cali ... candidates

None will win, but I'm all for encouraging and thanking whoever is the best of them, along with communicating to the Dems that they should have put up a decent "safety" candidate.

[O Really]

We voted "No" of course, and did not vote for a replacement.
If they wanted to make the process a little more rational, the first question would be yes/no as to whether the guv should be subject to recall. The second question would be not who should replace, but who should be governor and include the incumbent. Thus everybody gets to vote on whether the guvs job goes into jeopardy, but still gets to vote on whether anybody else is actually better.

[Vrede too]

We voted "No" of course, and did not vote for a replacement.
If they wanted to make the process a little more rational, the first question would be yes/no as to whether the guv should be subject to recall. The second question would be not who should replace, but who should be governor and include the incumbent. Thus everybody gets to vote on whether the guvs job goes into jeopardy, but still gets to vote on whether anybody else is actually better.

Idk, seems unlikely and if 50% +1 say 'Go' maybe s/he should go. More likely and rational to me would be to have primaries on recall day, or to have a runoff system such that the eventual gov has gotten 50% +1.

[O Really]

Interesting article about Elder - good insight at what a bunch of hucksters those clowns are.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/opinion-lear ... 02531.html

[Ulysses]

Received an email today that my NO vote has been counted.

Elder is a grifter.

[O Really]

Received an email today that my NO vote has been counted.

Elder is a grifter.

Ours too. We'll all hope for the best.

[Vrede too]

... We'll all hope for the best.

I'll remain cynical and pessimistic until proven wrong, but Elder has been getting a variety of negative press and now there's this:

New poll finds Newsom could easily beat recall thanks to motivated Democrats

Momentum has turned strongly against the effort to recall Gov. Gavin Newsom with just days to go before voting ends, a change that comes after a deluge of political ads and support from leading Democrats who have slammed the effort as a Republican power grab.

According to a UC Berkeley Institute of Governmental Studies poll cosponsored by the Los Angeles Times released Friday, 60.1% of likely voters surveyed oppose recalling Newsom compared with 38.5% in favor of ousting the governor. Fewer than 2% of likely voters remained undecided or declined to answer, suggesting the issue is largely settled in the minds of California voters.

The findings, which were gathered by pollsters between Aug. 30 and Sept. 6, align with results from a batch of recent independent polls, all of which showed a decisive advantage for Newsom as the Sept. 14 recall election approaches.

A poll by the Berkeley institute just six weeks ago found that likely voters' opinions were almost evenly split, a vulnerability for Newsom that at the time appeared to be driven mostly by the indifference many Democrats expressed about the recall.

Since then, Newsom's campaign worked feverishly to redefine the recall campaign as a referendum on "Trumpism," an effort aided greatly by the emergence of conservative talk show host Larry Elder, a loyalist to President Trump, as the clear favorite to become California's next governor if the recall is successful.

"In the early going it was probably more about whether they liked Newsom or not. It was personalized," said Mark DiCamillo, director of the poll. "By attacking his challenger, which is Elder, and framing it as 'Look at what you'll get if you vote for this guy' ... I think that really won the day."

... Juan Rodriguez, manager for Newsom's anti-recall campaign, said he was not surprised by the increasing opposition to the recall. Along with a massive get-out-the-vote effort, the campaign enlisted help from Democratic Party heavyweights to urge Californians to scuttle the recall, including former President Obama, Vice President Kamala Harris and Sens. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts and Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota along with independent Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont.

I'm happy that they were not afraid to enlist progressive support. This will benefit the left in the long run.

The anti-recall campaign also spent tens of millions of dollars on television and social media ads blasting the recall as an underhanded attempt by Republicans to nullify Newsom's election in 2018, a strategy backed by the national Republican Party, former GOP House Speaker Newt Gingrich and conservative media outlets such as Fox News and Newsmax, Rodriguez said.

"I think you're now seeing Democrats so fired up because they know what this recall really is about," he said....

The governor's sharpest attacks have focused on Elder, who has boasted that before he sips his first "cup of tea" as California's new governor, he would rescind the Newsom administration mandates requiring students to wear masks in public schools and vaccination requirements for teachers, state employees and healthcare workers.

"Consider the consequences of that. Look at what's going on across this country. Look at states that don't believe in science," Newsom said at a rally in the San Francisco Bay Area Wednesday with Harris, a longtime political ally. "This election is a choice about life and death."

... The new poll found that Elder dominates the field of top replacement candidates. When asked to pick their first choice among the replacement candidates, 38% of likely voters preferred Elder — up from 18% in July. Democrat Kevin Paffrath, a social media personality who has more than 1.6 million followers for his personal finance videos on YouTube, came in a distant second with 10%.

Paffrath sure fell off. Good, I didn't see any substance there.

Among other Republicans, former San Diego Mayor Kevin Faulconer was backed by 8% of likely voters, Rancho Santa Fe businessman John Cox, who was trounced by Newsom in the 2018 gubernatorial election, and Assemblyman Kevin Kiley of Rocklin were both backed by 4% of likely voters. Reality television star and former Olympic decathlete Caitlyn Jenner came in at 1%....

Ouch, uber-famous and only 1% is rare.

[O Really]

Hopefully, this will be another election in which the Republicans could have won except for shooting themselves in the foot with the most rightwing moon barker they can find. That used to be pretty common before Trump, but of course since then they've managed to elect some other moon barkers.

But whatever the outcome with Elder, Republicans could have won this one if they'd gotten behind Faulconer. There are lots of Dems who might be mad at Newsom because of covid restrictions or eating at French Laundry or just because he's San Francisco snobbery, but they wouldn't vote for an Elder or Jenner ever in this lifetime. Faulconer could have been palatable. And if the Republicans were smart (as if), they'd realize a win is better than a loss and California isn't Texas.

[Whack9]

GQP: The recall election will be rigged.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 778088001/

Former President Donald Trump, Fox News' Tomi Lahren and the leading Republican candidate to replace Newsom, Larry Elder, raised the prospect this week of voter fraud playing a role if Newsom comes out victorious in the vote Sept. 14

"Every election I lose was rigged"

I guess we're a banana republic now. Or maybe have been for a little while.