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For some reason today I was musing about why some women seem to love horses more than most men.

So of couse I googled it. Learned something, too.


Answering the Age-Old Question of Why Women Love Horses

According to stats from the University of Glasgow and American Horse Publications, 90% of horse owners in both the UK and US are women. And in a 2019 economic report by the American Association of Equine Practitioners, 4 out of 5 equine veterinarians are women. But why do women gravitate so viscerally to horses?

A recent article published in Psychology Today seeks to answer that very question. Written by Diana Santos Fleischman, PhD, an evolutionary psychologist at Portsmouth University in the UK, she admits that she was (and remains) horse-mad. Given her field of study, it’s not surprising her way into solving the ancient mystery is to go, well, into ancient history. Understanding gender differences and how modern men and women evolved offers up one theory about why women might be more interested in keeping and caring for horses than men: “women are practicing [with horses] the same skills they use to train their boyfriends and children.”

She further points out that men dominate their lives through physical strength, whereas women, being physically less strong, lean into psychology to influence those around them. This difference is also used for defense in any situation where a woman might feel threatened. If a man is under threat, he is more likely to physically fight off a combatant. But consider how some women during the initial #MeToo revelations admitted to being on speaking terms or even being friendly with their aggressors as a way to prevent further attacks.

Dr. Fleischman suggests that to this end, “Horses are a super stimulus for the dynamic of acquiring strength through influence. They’re big, strong and fast but also aloof and challenging to train.” In other words, women learn how to influence men by working with horses. She also cites another article written by animal behaviorist Sue McDonnall, who writes, “One truism…is that women have to handle horses with their brains because they intuitively recognize that strength is not likely going to work for them in most cases. They tend to have more patience, while men often try to use brute strength and typically have less patience.”

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And I thought it was because of all the orgasims caused by rubbing on the saddle. Maybe I should stop getting my learning from 19th century sources.
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Thu Nov 25, 2021 5:17 pm
And I thought it was because of all the orgasms caused by rubbing on the saddle. Maybe I should stop getting my learning from 19th century sources.
I think that you're correct, ignore the psychobabble. It's also the reason for the western saddle :o , help with roping is a myth.
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Nobody wants to get impaled on a western saddle. I have it on good authority that a hunt saddle at a gentle canter can be quite exciting, or sometimes a posting trot. Bareback is good too, with a high withered horse. Just reporting from a friend.

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I think the linked article attempts to raise the level of discussion above and beyond the male predilection with physical sex.

All to no avail.

But it does tend to corroborate the article's premise: women may control horses the same way they may control men: with their minds, not with physical force.

However there is another element to all this. I once read that the reason why horses submit to humans riding them is because, in part, they assume the human is as big as a horse, since the human's eyes often are at the same level, or higher, than those of the horse. Of course that cannot be the whole story, and I'm sure someone here will gleefuly proceed to deprecate and mock the point. I wonder who that will be.

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... I once read that the reason why horses submit to humans riding them is because, in part, they assume the human is as big as a horse, since the human's eyes often are at the same level, or higher, than those of the horse. Of course that cannot be the whole story, and I'm sure someone here will gleefuly proceed to deprecate and mock the point. I wonder who that will be.
I am clueless about equine psychology, but can I gleefully proceed to deprecate and mock your whiny paranoia, instead?
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So predictable.

Like a maggot.

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Horses do jobs they are trained for because they are trained - and from a very young age - to do/behave in certain ways. So by the time a foal is 3-4 months old, s/he is used to wearing a halter and being led around by a human. S/he gets accustomed to being groomed, to having its feet picked up and handled, and having some light weight pressure on his back. S/he learns to trust the human, gets treats for doing good stuff. Walks willingly into a trailer because there's oats and hay in there. Later, s/he starts getting used to various tack items, saddles, etc. Then s/he'll start carrying some weight on the saddle, and the handler will begin leaning on him, gradually putting more weight. S/he'll learn to respond to a gentle snaffle bit and by the time s/he's a couple of years old will peacefully accept a rider and continue training. I don't know if the horse thinks its human is larger than it is, but the human actually is larger when training begins. Try any of that on a 5 year old horse that's lived wild all its life and you'll get different results.

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Ulysses wrote:
Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:47 pm
I think the linked article attempts to raise the level of discussion above and beyond the male predilection with physical sex.

All to no avail....
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Ummm, I explicitly did not do what you predicted. You fail comprehension and honesty yet again, worm.

You're cowering from my question, as usual.
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Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:44 pm
... S/he learns to trust the human ...
One of the things I recall from a recent PBS program is that this is the result of individual life experience and thousands of years of breeding.
https://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/equus-s ... out/16877/
We become the "herd" leader. This trust extends so far that horses regularly do for humans what is unnatural and even dangerous to them.
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... S/he learns to trust the human ...
One of the things I recall from a recent PBS program is that this is the result of individual life experience and thousands of years of breeding.
https://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/equus-s ... out/16877/
We become the "herd" leader. This trust extends so far that horses regularly do for humans what is unnatural and even dangerous to them.
They will sometimes. But any human who deserves to own such a magnificent beast would not ask them to. Racing and jumping can be dangerous, but aren't unnatural. All those fancy "dancing" moves you see in advanced dressage? They're all natural motions just being done on request. Pulling carts and such? I dunno, but I'm sure the Budweiser Clydesdales aren't mistreated. If you can give them a job using abilities they are born with, it's good.

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They will sometimes. But any human who deserves to own such a magnificent beast would not ask them to. Racing and jumping can be dangerous, but aren't unnatural. All those fancy "dancing" moves you see in advanced dressage? They're all natural motions just being done on request. Pulling carts and such? I dunno, but I'm sure the Budweiser Clydesdales aren't mistreated. If you can give them a job using abilities they are born with, it's good.
Nah, advanced dressage ain't natural, not at all. ;)

I'm not saying that I always approve.

There's a list for everything:

Top 10 Most Dangerous Equestrian Sports

Granted, some or all of those are even more dangerous for the rider.

Then, there's some rodeo elements, circus acts, industrial uses like logging, some types of hunting, police work, warfare, etc. Even well-treated hansom cab horses, if there are any, risk auto traffic. Same for Amish cart horses.

Not necessarily dangerous for the horse, but ick:

Do not have sex with horses. Seriously, don't.

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Well I've done 4 of those 10, and certainly there is some risk of injury to horse and/or rider, but it depends a lot on the level of sport and the training or lack thereof of horse and rider. A Grand Prix rider/horse jumping a 5-foot fence is safer than some hold-my-beer guy that tries to get his backyard nag over a 2.6. But a lot of the hazard, as you pointed out, are due largely to risks of life, not necessarily the activity itself. And for any activity or sport, people can and do mistreat their horse. And steeplechasers are crazy, but not as crazy as it looks. All of those fences above the red rail are like broomstrawl that can be hit with no harm done. They're only actually jumping a hard 2 feet.

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Well I've done 4 of those 10, and certainly there is some risk of injury to horse and/or rider, but it depends a lot on the level of sport and the training or lack thereof of horse and rider. A Grand Prix rider/horse jumping a 5-foot fence is safer than some hold-my-beer guy that tries to get his backyard nag over a 2.6. But a lot of the hazard, as you pointed out, are due largely to risks of life, not necessarily the activity itself. And for any activity or sport, people can and do mistreat their horse. And steeplechasers are crazy, but not as crazy as it looks. All of those fences above the red rail are like broomstrawl that can be hit with no harm done. They're only actually jumping a hard 2 feet.
Fwiw, my OP on the tangent was not meant as criticism, but rather as homage to a remarkable partnership.
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Fwiw, my OP on the tangent was not meant as criticism, but rather as homage to a remarkable partnership.
Understood. And it is a remarkable partnership. Anybody who takes advantage or treats horses badly should be flogged without mercy.

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I re-reviewed the article and couldn't find any reference data to support "most dangerous." I'd expect some statistic such as X injuries per Y, or X people/horses injured each year, or something. And as noted, some sports are more dangerous for the rider than horse. If you look at the Christopher Reeves crash, for example, the horse walked away. Reeves didn't. Ever. Despite the feel of violence, the bucking bronco is just doing as a job the same thing he does by himself in a pasture. The rider, on the other hand, gets tossed more often than not. Sometimes with severe injury. Polo "ponies" (they're not really ponies) actually play the game, chasing the ball and checking. They are expensive, highly trained horses that get treated well. Unfortunately, a lot of horses do get abused and live miserable lives. Those responsible should be drawn, quartered, and stomped by 4 Percherons.

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Haven't ridden a horse for decades. And as I recall, the last time, the horse got spooked about something and started to buck a little. I just hung on and it calmed down. But I could see how a horse could injure a rider.

I have known various women who were infatuated with horses in general. So the OP makes some sense to me.

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Haven't ridden a horse for decades. And as I recall, the last time, the horse got spooked about something and started to buck a little. I just hung on and it calmed down. But I could see how a horse could injure a rider.

I have known various women who were infatuated with horses in general. So the OP makes some sense to me.
A "spook" usually involves a sharp jump to left or right, then a pause for the horse to see if it's being chased or further scary stuff, then calms down. If it spooks sideways and still feels threatened by whatever, it will typically spin, turning the backside to the threat. If it's really scared, it may turn and bolt. Most of the time, though, if you can sit the first sideways jump, all is well. If you do get a bit of a buck, the best thing to do is drive it forward, unless of course you just want to play cowboy.

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Haven't ridden a horse for decades. And as I recall, the last time, the horse got spooked about something and started to buck a little. I just hung on and it calmed down. But I could see how a horse could injure a rider.

I have known various women who were infatuated with horses in general. So the OP makes some sense to me.
A "spook" usually involves a sharp jump to left or right, then a pause for the horse to see if it's being chased or further scary stuff, then calms down. If it spooks sideways and still feels threatened by whatever, it will typically spin, turning the backside to the threat. If it's really scared, it may turn and bolt. Most of the time, though, if you can sit the first sideways jump, all is well. If you do get a bit of a buck, the best thing to do is drive it forward, unless of course you just want to play cowboy.
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