Traveling

[O Really]

From where does San Diego steal its water?

https://gotbooks.miracosta.edu/earth_sc ... index.html

[Ulysses]

From where does San Diego steal its water?

https://gotbooks.miracosta.edu/earth_sc ... index.html

Informative link; thanks!

[Vrede too]

... The worst part of Bakersfield is the poor air quality. Probably smoggy air blown in from the LA region, as well as foul emissions from the Kern oil and gas fields nearby....

LA pollution is not the issue.

Air quality

Informative link; thanks!

You're welcome.

[Ulysses]

I don't care what anyone else says, but in California the prevailing winds for most of the year are from west to east. In fact that's one of the reasons why weather in the continental USA tends to travel in the same direction, west to east.

So it stands to reason that air pollution along the coast tends to move bad air along the coast into the interior, which includes Bakersfield.

And if the air quality in LA has improved over the years due to environmental regulations and pollution control, that's fine, but it doesn't stop what pollution there is from going from west to east.

It's been in this pattern for decades - I first learned about it in the 60's. The air pollution even gets up into the Sierra Nevada, with places like Tahoe and Yosemite enjoying the results.

Of course the bowl like structure of the Bakersfield basin also traps local emissions, there's no denying that.

Another factor is that Bakersfield is a transit corridor for trains hauling oil to the coast. Those trains burn diesel mostly and it pollutes the air in the Bakersfield basin. And guess what happens to that oil once it gets to the coast? Either refined into gas which in turn is burned in cars that pollute the air, or combusted for heating and other uses. All this is part of the reason why Gov. Newsom is getting medieval on air pollution, dictating the demise of internal combustion engines in cars, and even in small yard equipment and generators. I'm not thrilled about it but what can you do?

[O Really]

I don't care what anyone else says...

And therein lies the source of various issues in rational discourse.

[Ulysses]

I don't care what anyone else says...

And therein lies the source of various issues in rational discourse.

Ah, but the reason for my not caring is that the popular trend these days is to discount the fact of west-east weather patterns, as well as the other details I described, such as polluting freight trains and trucks, in order to dismiss the Bakersfield air quality problem as strictly a local concern.

Perhaps I stated it poorly: I don't care what those who selectively ignore the facts have to say.

[neoplacebo]

When I stomp things, I generally do it in a manner that would drive a compass crazy. And I never stomp things poorly. Plus I don't care what anyone else stomps. It never enters my mind.

[neoplacebo]

Back to the matter at hand.....I've been considering stomping my way along the old US Route 66 before I die. Maybe set some fires along the way.

[O Really]

In the age of rampant wildfires throughout the west, there are very few if any strictly local air issues anymore. But each area happily contributes to the problem whatever it can, it seems.

It will be a while, if ever, that the "ban" on small gasoline engines has significant effect on people such as yourself or me. It's the sale of such equipment that will be banned, starting I think in '24, but if you already own an eardrum-damaging smoking lawn mower, leaf blower or portable generator, you can keep using it as long as you can keep it running. I'd think the outlook for repair service business is probably good. Or you can buy a replacement from Oregon or wherever. It's the commercial users that will feel some effect first.

[Ulysses]

In the age of rampant wildfires throughout the west, there are very few if any strictly local air issues anymore. But each area happily contributes to the problem whatever it can, it seems.

It will be a while, if ever, that the "ban" on small gasoline engines has significant effect on people such as yourself or me. It's the sale of such equipment that will be banned, starting I think in '24, but if you already own an eardrum-damaging smoking lawn mower, leaf blower or portable generator, you can keep using it as long as you can keep it running. I'd think the outlook for repair service business is probably good. Or you can buy a replacement from Oregon or wherever. It's the commercial users that will feel some effect first.

Good point. I might go to Nevada to get a replacement though. I do have some concern however that replacment parts for things like carburettors might become more scarce down here. I'm also wondering if the price of gasoline is going to go up as stations either shut down or convert over to fast EV charging. Can't very well order a tank of gas over the internet, after all.

[Vrede too]

... The worst part of Bakersfield is the poor air quality. Probably smoggy air blown in from the LA region, as well as foul emissions from the Kern oil and gas fields nearby....

LA pollution is not the issue.

Air quality

I don't care what anyone else says, but in California the prevailing winds for most of the year are from west to east. In fact that's one of the reasons why weather in the continental USA tends to travel in the same direction, west to east.

Turns out Useless is not ignoring me. It's just his excuse for cowering when he has no response. Busted, wuss.

So it stands to reason that air pollution along the coast tends to move bad air along the coast into the interior, which includes Bakersfield.

And if the air quality in LA has improved over the years due to environmental regulations and pollution control, that's fine, but it doesn't stop what pollution there is from going from west to east.

It's been in this pattern for decades - I first learned about it in the 60's. The air pollution even gets up into the Sierra Nevada, with places like Tahoe and Yosemite enjoying the results.

Of course the bowl like structure of the Bakersfield basin also traps local emissions, there's no denying that....

Get a middle school kid to explain the link to you. Bowl like structures in and of themselves do not trap local emissions. The issue is that temperature inversions do. By definition, inversions do not let in outside air and any pollution it may carry. Rather, Bakersfield chokes on its own emissions.

You fail science and comprehension, again.

I don't care what anyone else says...

And therein lies the source of various issues in rational discourse.

Ah, but the reason for my not caring is that the popular trend these days is to discount the fact of west-east weather patterns,

Irrelevant during inversions.

as well as the other details I described, such as polluting freight trains and trucks, in order to dismiss the Bakersfield air quality problem as strictly a local concern.

No one dismissed trains and trucks, liar, IF they are emitting within the Bakersfield basin during an inversion.

Perhaps I stated it poorly: I don't care what those who selectively ignore the facts have to say.

What "facts"? You have ignored or befuddled the citations provided while substituting your wholly unsupported and contra-scientific opinions.

[Vrede too]

People Are Sharing The Things The U.S. Has That Europe Lacks, And I'm Suddenly Feeling Proud To Be American

I've spent a fair bit of time in Europe. Some of these criticisms seem overly harsh, but I can't actually say that they're untrue. Also, I'm not sure that some of the items reflect positively on the US.

[GoCubsGo]

People Are Sharing The Things The U.S. Has That Europe Lacks, And I'm Suddenly Feeling Proud To Be American

I've spent a fair bit of time in Europe. Some of these criticisms seem overly harsh, but I can't actually say that they're untrue. Also, I'm not sure that some of the items reflect positively on the US.

Meh, written by an American.

[O Really]

Double-meh.
Written, or compiled, by somebody who clearly thinks everything American is by definition better. It's not. These are people who would go to Italy and complain there's no Domino's. Oh, shit - there are Domino's in Italy. The world is truly doomed.

[GoCubsGo]

Double-meh.
Written, or compiled, by somebody who clearly thinks everything American is by definition better. It's not. These are people who would go to Italy and complain there's no Domino's. Oh, shit - there are Domino's in Italy. The world is truly doomed.

And a McDonald's next to the Pantheon.

[O Really]

Double-meh.
Written, or compiled, by somebody who clearly thinks everything American is by definition better. It's not. These are people who would go to Italy and complain there's no Domino's. Oh, shit - there are Domino's in Italy. The world is truly doomed.

And a McDonald's next to the Pantheon.

Nooooooo! That should be a souvlaki stand selling "leemonata, potahta, Tom-Tom" (lemonade, fresh fried chips, and a cola type drink)

[billy.pilgrim]

Double-meh.
Written, or compiled, by somebody who clearly thinks everything American is by definition better. It's not. These are people who would go to Italy and complain there's no Domino's. Oh, shit - there are Domino's in Italy. The world is truly doomed.

And a McDonald's next to the Pantheon.

Nooooooo! That should be a souvlaki stand selling "leemonata, potahta, Tom-Tom" (lemonade, fresh fried chips, and a cola type drink)

No cola, it was always warm. I do remember the wine in the basket bottle - sort of.

[O Really]

And some if not most of the items on the list aren't even right, depending on where you are. F'rinstance, you can get ranch dressing (Newman's Own) at Sainsbury's throughout England. You can get barbeque in places like Jimmy's in York that may not be exactly like what you got in America but is as good if not better than any you'd get anywhere else not named North Carolina, St. Louis, Memphis, or Texas. It doesn't matter as much that petrol is more expensive than in America because there is public transportation everywhere and people are less dependent on cars.
Typical jingoistic drivel. Same as people who go from one region to another in the US and complain it isn't just like where they were. They never heard the expression "travel is broadening"? Or maybe they just think that's because their ass gets fatter eating all that candy, sugar-cereal, and huge servings.

[GoCubsGo]

Nooooooo! That should be a souvlaki stand selling "leemonata, potahta, Tom-Tom" (lemonade, fresh fried chips, and a cola type drink)

Even better, a plaza or so away from the Pantheon I found the best mortadella sandwich of my life.

Roman fast food.

[O Really]

Opps - you did say "Pantheon" and somehow I read "Parthenon".
I had the country wrong, but comments still apply.