The car thread ...

[Ulysses]

Well, Ulysses, I liked the part when they dropped Elon out of the helicopter. Most of the other shit you mention was addressed in the story. The car being modified, the age of the car.....don't be an aftermarket reporter. At least not here. It won't work.

Funny, I didn't see the Elon drop. As for the rest, I was just reminding some of you about your incorrect assumptions that this was a problem with the Tesla as originally mfg. It became a problem perhaps because of the aftermarket non-Tesla battery replacement.

And please excuse me for being so bold as to point out a few facts. I know that runs counter to BRD tradition, but fuck it.

[Vrede too]

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You fail comprehension yet again. No one here, other than you apparently, assumed "that this was a problem with the Tesla as originally mfg."

Don't bother to "excuse me for being so bold as to point out a few facts." We're used to having to help you along, and will continue to do so until you hire that 4th grader to explain things to you.

Now, whine, cower and deflect. We're also used to you not having the balls to admit error and apologize.

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[O Really]

I posted the video, and it says what it says. I don't have a problem with a warranty not covering modifications. Nobody's warranty does. But after close to 8 years of "ownership" the guy shouldn't have to have Tesla's authorization to do anything to his own car - particularly if Tesla isn't covering it. I guess Tesla techs may be hard to come by in Finland - otherwise it would have made more sense to blow up the tech for refusing to work on it.

[GoCubsGo]

Honestly, I was more moved when they blew up Crockett's Ferrari.

That was heartbreaking.

[Vrede too]

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You fail comprehension yet again. No one here, other than you apparently, assumed "that this was a problem with the Tesla as originally mfg."

Don't bother to "excuse me for being so bold as to point out a few facts." We're used to having to help you along, and will continue to do so until you hire that 4th grader to explain things to you.

Now, whine, cower and deflect. We're also used to you not having the balls to admit error and apologize.

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Cower it is, and my prediction was spot on.

Illiterate Useless throws a false accusation out there, gets called out on it and runs screeching away, as usual. Do it again.

[Vrede too]

I just saw an ad saying that F150s have a hookup that allows one to power a home. Smart, as long as people don't run them in their attached garages. I wonder what the efficiency comparison is to stand alone generators.

[O Really]

I just saw an ad saying that F150s have a hookup that allows one to power a home. Smart, as long as people don't run them in their attached garages. I wonder what the efficiency comparison is to stand alone generators.

I think that ad may have been a bit misleading.

[Ulysses]

I posted the video, and it says what it says. I don't have a problem with a warranty not covering modifications. Nobody's warranty does. But after close to 8 years of "ownership" the guy shouldn't have to have Tesla's authorization to do anything to his own car - particularly if Tesla isn't covering it. I guess Tesla techs may be hard to come by in Finland - otherwise it would have made more sense to blow up the tech for refusing to work on it.

Did the article say the guy couldn't have hired a third party to fix the problems his aftermarket modification caused? And Tesla didn't refuse to work on it, they just said it could cost about 20 grand for them to fix what he broke.

Am I wrong?

[Vrede too]

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Please excuse me for being so bold as to point out a few facts. I know that runs counter to BRD tradition, but fuck it. - Ulysses, 12-27-21
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You fail comprehension yet again. No one here, other than you apparently, assumed "that this was a problem with the Tesla as originally mfg."

Don't bother to "excuse me for being so bold as to point out a few facts." We're used to having to help you along, and will continue to do so until you hire that 4th grader to explain things to you.

Now, whine, cower and deflect. We're also used to you not having the balls to admit error and apologize.

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Cower it is, and my prediction was spot on.

Illiterate Useless throws a false accusation out there, gets called out on it and runs screeching away, as usual. Do it again.

Cower, Useless, cower.

[GoCubsGo]

I just saw an ad saying that F150s have a hookup that allows one to power a home. Smart, as long as people don't run them in their attached garages. I wonder what the efficiency comparison is to stand alone generators.

I think that ad may have been a bit misleading.

Seem to recall a news piece during the Texas outage last year. According to this, you can power your house from 3 to 10 days.

[O Really]

I posted the video, and it says what it says. I don't have a problem with a warranty not covering modifications. Nobody's warranty does. But after close to 8 years of "ownership" the guy shouldn't have to have Tesla's authorization to do anything to his own car - particularly if Tesla isn't covering it. I guess Tesla techs may be hard to come by in Finland - otherwise it would have made more sense to blow up the tech for refusing to work on it.

Did the article say the guy couldn't have hired a third party to fix the problems his aftermarket modification caused? And Tesla didn't refuse to work on it, they just said it could cost about 20 grand for them to fix what he broke.

Am I wrong?

I don't know about wrong, but we have different interpretations. Here's what I got out of it.
1. Guy buys a Tesla 8 years ago and some time or another modifies something that affected the battery.
2. Modification or something caused by it broke.
3. Technician (not a Tesla factory guy) says he won't work on it until/unless it is brought back to stock, for which he wanted to charge $22K USD.
4. Technician said he couldn't work on it without Tesla authorization, and Tesla wouldn't authorize a repair with the mods.
5. Although the technician didn't work for Tesla, apparently there's some licensing or something else that controls the relationship.
6. I don't know if the theoretical "owner" could get Shifty from Encino to work on it - maybe so - but at minimum he'd want somebody who knew what he was doing. I wonder why he didn't go back to the guy who did the mods.

[Ulysses]

I posted the video, and it says what it says. I don't have a problem with a warranty not covering modifications. Nobody's warranty does. But after close to 8 years of "ownership" the guy shouldn't have to have Tesla's authorization to do anything to his own car - particularly if Tesla isn't covering it. I guess Tesla techs may be hard to come by in Finland - otherwise it would have made more sense to blow up the tech for refusing to work on it.

Did the article say the guy couldn't have hired a third party to fix the problems his aftermarket modification caused? And Tesla didn't refuse to work on it, they just said it could cost about 20 grand for them to fix what he broke.

Am I wrong?

I don't know about wrong, but we have different interpretations. Here's what I got out of it.
1. Guy buys a Tesla 8 years ago and some time or another modifies something that affected the battery.
2. Modification or something caused by it broke.
3. Technician (not a Tesla factory guy) says he won't work on it until/unless it is brought back to stock, for which he wanted to charge $22K USD.
4. Technician said he couldn't work on it without Tesla authorization, and Tesla wouldn't authorize a repair with the mods.
5. Although the technician didn't work for Tesla, apparently there's some licensing or something else that controls the relationship.
6. I don't know if the theoretical "owner" could get Shifty from Encino to work on it - maybe so - but at minimum he'd want somebody who knew what he was doing. I wonder why he didn't go back to the guy who did the mods.

OK, here's my take on it.

The Tesla owner didn't just modify "something that affected the battery". From what I've read, he had the entire battery pack replaced with a non-Tesla version. So I don't blame Tesla for refusing to fix that sort of drastic mod.

Here's a little video about the Tesla Achilles heel, supposedly:

[GoCubsGo]

Went and looked at a few different articles to see if there's any clarity and there really isn't.

Lazy reporting and a guy that probably doesn't want to be forthcoming on the mods he made cause he wanted the clicks.

That said O Really has it about as right as practically possible.

[Ulysses]

Well, being that the Finnish language translations are a bit dodgy, it could be the owner - who as I recall bought the Tesla used a few years ago - just made simple mods. But I doubt that's the case. If you care to, do a search on the linked video and look for commentary by "MJ".

The bottom line seems to be that the Li-Ion battery pack is the Achilles' heel of just about all EV's these days. Like I said earlier, there is a lower capacity battery technology that may be not only less expensive but perhaps more reliable. There's a lot in print about how the battery packs are heat sensitive. If you live in a hot part of the nation (like Arizona/Texas/and most of the South), you might want to avoid getting an EV until that's sorted out.

Here in Cali by 2035 we won't have much choice. Fossil fuel powered new cars will be banned. I have enough old clunkers to keep going, but still. Link: https://www.gov.ca.gov/2020/09/23/gover ... te-change/

Here's the link (again). Search the comments for "MJ".

[neoplacebo]

I have two OBD codes since the other day.....P0412 and P0418 which both allude to something wrong with "secondary air injection system" valve and pump. It's possible that it's only a fuse or relay that's causing this. Otherwise, it's something that will cost hundreds of dollars to fix based on past history. I may call that Tesla owner and see if he wants to come over and blow up a Camaro.

[Ulysses]

I have two OBD codes since the other day.....P0412 and P0418 which both allude to something wrong with "secondary air injection system" valve and pump. It's possible that it's only a fuse or relay that's causing this. Otherwise, it's something that will cost hundreds of dollars to fix based on past history. I may call that Tesla owner and see if he wants to come over and blow up a Camaro.

Well, Neon, you may already have seen this, but...

Error Code P0412: Secondary Air Injection System Switching Valve A Circuit Malfunction

It's got a good explanation as well as a fun video...

You might be able to find the 418 error fix there as well.

Drive through big puddles or heavy rain lately?

And here's another video, this one about the P0418 error DIY fix...



PS-None of my cars are newer than 22 years. The only GM in my stable is a 1967 Chevy. Simple. Reliable (once I fixed someone else's fuckups). Knock on wood.

[O Really]

I have two OBD codes since the other day.....P0412 and P0418 which both allude to something wrong with "secondary air injection system" valve and pump. It's possible that it's only a fuse or relay that's causing this. Otherwise, it's something that will cost hundreds of dollars to fix based on past history. I may call that Tesla owner and see if he wants to come over and blow up a Camaro.

Hell yes, blow it up. For "hundreds of dollars" you could probably get a brake job on a BMW.
Naaa, keep that thing, man - it's classic and fun.

[neoplacebo]

I have two OBD codes since the other day.....P0412 and P0418 which both allude to something wrong with "secondary air injection system" valve and pump. It's possible that it's only a fuse or relay that's causing this. Otherwise, it's something that will cost hundreds of dollars to fix based on past history. I may call that Tesla owner and see if he wants to come over and blow up a Camaro.

Hell yes, blow it up. For "hundreds of dollars" you could probably get a brake job on a BMW.
Naaa, keep that thing, man - it's classic and fun.

At the risk of being called a dumbass, I've not been able to figure out how to remove the cover of the under hood fuse/relay box. It even has a graphic diagram of what's in there on the cover and I see where the ones I need to check are but can't open the thing. So far I give the whole thing a stomping emoji.

[Ulysses]

I have two OBD codes since the other day.....P0412 and P0418 which both allude to something wrong with "secondary air injection system" valve and pump. It's possible that it's only a fuse or relay that's causing this. Otherwise, it's something that will cost hundreds of dollars to fix based on past history. I may call that Tesla owner and see if he wants to come over and blow up a Camaro.

Hell yes, blow it up. For "hundreds of dollars" you could probably get a brake job on a BMW.
Naaa, keep that thing, man - it's classic and fun.

At the risk of being called a dumbass, I've not been able to figure out how to remove the cover of the under hood fuse/relay box. It even has a graphic diagram of what's in there on the cover and I see where the ones I need to check are but can't open the thing. So far I give the whole thing a stomping emoji.

Do you have a service manual for the vehicle?

You said it is a Camaro. What year Camaro?

[neoplacebo]

Yes, the owners' manual is where I found the physical arrangement of the fuses and relays in the two plastic boxes under the hood. The same graphic that's in the manual is on the covers of the boxes. The car is a 99. I will give it another look later today once I have a dose of car fuse and relay medicine. This will not beat me.