Rhetorical question, maybe, but there are real answers.
In too many instances bad cops never even have to move:billy.pilgrim wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 6:06 pmOr she goes one County over,GoCubsGo wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 3:40 pmThe facts certainly aren't in question. I guess my point is how is society better served with her in prison? It was a tragic, stupid, panicky mistake, she's beside herself with remorse, her life is ruined, it's not going to bring the deceased back nor deter any future tragic mistakes.
Or one state,
Or moves to Florida as part of our new DeSant-force.
Leaked documents show top DC police blocked the firing of 21 current officers accused of criminal misconduct, report says
An internal advisory panel of the Washington, DC, Metropolitan Police Department acquitted or lightly punished 21 current officers accused of criminal misconduct, even though its disciplinary division sought their termination, documents reviewed by Reveal and WAMU/DCist show.
The documents were made public by DDoSecrets, a transparency nonprofit, after hackers accessed them earlier this year. Reveal located the disciplinary records among the tens of thousands that were leaked.
MPD's Adverse Action Panel is a rotating three-person board made up of high-ranking officers, and is overseen by Robert J. Contee, the current chief of police, Reveal reported.
The panel frequently overruled recommendations from the Disciplinary Review Division, overturning nearly two-thirds of all terminations that were sought from 2016 to 2019, Mike Gottert, who served as the DRD director during that time, told the outlet.
The disciplinary files showed internal investigators concluded at least 64 people who currently serve as officers committed criminal misconduct, 24 of which they sought to terminate. Of the 24 cases, the panel reduced the punishments of 21 officers to a suspension or acquittal, DCist reported.
The criminal misconduct included domestic assault, indecent exposure, stalking, DUIs, assault with a deadly weapon, and fraud, according to Reveal.
Unlike other large police departments, MPD protocol does not allow its police chief to dole out punishments that are more severe than what the panel recommends, leaving its highest-ranking officer with limited options, Reveal reported.
These are the cops that moved pretty far along in the disciplinary process. Not counted are all of the pigs whose bad behavior was completely swept under the rug.
MPD did not immediately respond to Insider's request for comment.
Racial justice protests in 2020 renewed calls for police accountability and reform, including how departments address complaints or misconduct by officers.
In many instances, police department leaders who want to fire officers with a history of misconduct are blocked due to department mismanagement or appeals processes, Insider's Haven Orecchio-Egresitz reported.
Leo Lyons, also maybe because far too many cops are assholes.O Really wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 11:16 amRhetorical question, maybe, but there are real answers.
They're afraid - maybe from previous experience, maybe from family tales, maybe because they're treated harshly, maybe because they fear the consequences of arrest. People who are afraid don't always make good decisions, or at least not the decisions they might make if they weren't afraid.
They're intoxicated. Sure, every drunk is always so nice and docile, right?
They're hostile. Maybe at the cop, maybe at their asshole boss or cheating girl friend, but nobody is safe.
They respond normally to being shoved, having their arm twisted, or face shoved into the pavement and try to relieve the discomfort.
In any case, the "adult" with the power is the cop. The cop who is supposed to be able to handle drunk obnoxious hostile rowdy unarmed people without shooting them.
Evidently not clear enough to remember the difference between "facilities" and 'faculties'.... Rowland admitted to drinking earlier but told police, “I had all of my facilities with me, I was clear as a freakin bell.”
This contradicts what he later told investigators about his adjustment to the time change. He told them that the time falling back actually really messed him up....
I expect that national training and individual awareness will be enhanced. There may even be technological improvements that make distinguishing the difference between the tools easier. I'm sure there'd be a market for them.GoCubsGo wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 3:40 pmThe facts certainly aren't in question. I guess my point is how is society better served with her in prison? It was a tragic, stupid, panicky mistake, she's beside herself with remorse, her life is ruined, it's not going to bring the deceased back nor deter any future tragic mistakes.Vrede too wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 3:13 pmI heard that explained on TV. Everyone agrees that it was a mistake. The issue at hand is whether her use of any force was reckless. I can't describe it further, I wasn't paying that close attention.
Despite being pretty anti-cop I don't have an opinion. I'd have to listen to more of the testimony and discussion than I'm willing to invest.
Minnesota attorney general Keith Ellison.GoCubsGo wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 6:28 pmWhich kind of brings it full circle. Some punishment is neccessary, maybe house arrest with a heavy dose of community service? Whatever, seems like it could have been hashed out outside of the courtroom but I guess I'm not factoring in politics especially considering where and when this happened and the need for the appearance of the DA to be "doing something."
The video sounds like they agreed to the latter charge Tues am, the former and more serious charge this am. Idk the legal difference between the two.Jury finds Kim Potter guilty in Daunte Wright traffic stop shooting
A jury has found former Brooklyn Center, Minn., Police Officer Kim Potter guilty of manslaughter in the death of Black motorist Daunte Wright, following a two-week trial and 27 hours of deliberation by the 12 jurors....
She was found guilty on a charge of first-degree manslaughter, which carries a maximum sentence of 15 years in prison and a $30,000 fine, according to Minnesota law, and also a second-degree charge, for causing someone’s death through culpable negligence, which has a maximum sentence of 10 years and a $20,000 fine.
Hennepin County, Minnesota... For a conviction, the state had to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Potter handled her firearm “recklessly” and showed culpable negligence in her actions that resulted in Wright’s death.
Prosecutors focused on Potter’s training and that she should have known the difference in weight and feel of the weapons. She carried a gun on her duty belt her entire 26-year career and a Taser since 2005, according to court testimony. Potter retrained for use of both each year she was equipped with them, prosecutors said, adding there was no excuse for “weapons confusion.”
“Members of the jury, the defendant told you her sons will be home for the holidays. You know who won’t be home for the holidays ... is Daunte Wright,” said prosecuting attorney Erin Eldridge during closing arguments....
The jury was made up of nine white people, two Asian Americans and one Black person, according to how the jurors self-identified to the court. Six were men and six were women, and they ranged in age from their 20s to their 60s.
As of the 2010 Census ... The racial makeup of the county was 74.4% White, 11.8% Black or African American, 0.9% Native American, 6.2% Asian, 3.4% from other races, and 3.2% from two or more races. 6.7% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race.
Having not listened to the testimony, I can't argue with what 12 jurors unanimously chose. However, I am surprised in general given how difficult it is to convict a cop of anything. I have no opinion on the sentences, nor knowledge as to whether there are guidelines and/or mandatory minimums that apply.Judge Chu said sentencing will take place on Feb. 18, 2022, at 9 a.m. Until then, Potter will be in custody and held without bail.
IIRC, she was training a newbie and it was really more or less a practice stop for training purposes and probably wouldn't have issues a ticket. Then they found expired registration and warrant and shit went south.O Really wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:45 pmNot a very good defence team; very effective prosecutor; not a very likeable defendant; still surprised conviction was for more than negligent homicide. I'd feel a little more sorry for her, though, if they hadn't initially pulled the guy over on a bogus "air freshener in the window" bullshit. Assuming it really is a violation to hang air freshener in your back window, if it had been a white guy (a) they wouldn't have stopped him for that; (b) if they did stop him, they would have just said take it down. Cops too eager to shoot - even with taser.
Fruit from the poison tree - shouldn't have used him for a practice stop. Wasn't anybody around there speeding, not stopping for reds, or something?GoCubsGo wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:49 pmIIRC, she was training a newbie and it was really more or less a practice stop for training purposes and probably wouldn't have issues a ticket. Then they found expired registration and warrant and shit went south.O Really wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:45 pmNot a very good defence team; very effective prosecutor; not a very likeable defendant; still surprised conviction was for more than negligent homicide. I'd feel a little more sorry for her, though, if they hadn't initially pulled the guy over on a bogus "air freshener in the window" bullshit. Assuming it really is a violation to hang air freshener in your back window, if it had been a white guy (a) they wouldn't have stopped him for that; (b) if they did stop him, they would have just said take it down. Cops too eager to shoot - even with taser.
Supposedly:O Really wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:45 pmNot a very good defence team; very effective prosecutor; not a very likeable defendant; still surprised conviction was for more than negligent homicide. I'd feel a little more sorry for her, though, if they hadn't initially pulled the guy over on a bogus "air freshener in the window" bullshit. Assuming it really is a violation to hang air freshener in your back window, if it had been a white guy (a) they wouldn't have stopped him for that; (b) if they did stop him, they would have just said take it down. Cops too eager to shoot - even with taser.
On April 11, 2021, Wright was driving with his girlfriend in a white 2011 Buick LaCrosse that was registered to his brother on their way to a car wash. A Brooklyn Center trainee officer in a patrol car, which contained Kimberly Potter as a passenger, observed the vehicle signaling a right turn while it was inside a left turning lane. The trainee officer also noticed that the vehicle had an expired registration tag on its license plate and had an air freshener hanging from the car's rearview mirror, a violation of Minnesota state law. At 1:53 p.m. local time, the trainee officer initiated a traffic stop of Wright's vehicle on 63rd Avenue North and called for backup....
Would it really make a difference if a taillight was out or an illegal lane change or some such shit?O Really wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:52 pmFruit from the poison tree - shouldn't have used him for a practice stop. Wasn't anybody around there speeding, not stopping for reds, or something?GoCubsGo wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:49 pmIIRC, she was training a newbie and it was really more or less a practice stop for training purposes and probably wouldn't have issues a ticket. Then they found expired registration and warrant and shit went south.O Really wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:45 pmNot a very good defence team; very effective prosecutor; not a very likeable defendant; still surprised conviction was for more than negligent homicide. I'd feel a little more sorry for her, though, if they hadn't initially pulled the guy over on a bogus "air freshener in the window" bullshit. Assuming it really is a violation to hang air freshener in your back window, if it had been a white guy (a) they wouldn't have stopped him for that; (b) if they did stop him, they would have just said take it down. Cops too eager to shoot - even with taser.
Wouldn't matter to the dead guy, but if they'd stopped somebody for a violation worthy of their effort, they wouldn't have appeared so racist. At least a tail light is a potential safety issue, and lots of people have been stopped for it. I wonder how many people in Minnesota, and particularly white people, have been pulled over for air freshener in their car.
Vrede too wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:54 pmSupposedly:O Really wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:45 pmNot a very good defence team; very effective prosecutor; not a very likeable defendant; still surprised conviction was for more than negligent homicide. I'd feel a little more sorry for her, though, if they hadn't initially pulled the guy over on a bogus "air freshener in the window" bullshit. Assuming it really is a violation to hang air freshener in your back window, if it had been a white guy (a) they wouldn't have stopped him for that; (b) if they did stop him, they would have just said take it down. Cops too eager to shoot - even with taser.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_o ... affic_stopOn April 11, 2021, Wright was driving with his girlfriend in a white 2011 Buick LaCrosse that was registered to his brother on their way to a car wash. A Brooklyn Center trainee officer in a patrol car, which contained Kimberly Potter as a passenger, observed the vehicle signaling a right turn while it was inside a left turning lane. The trainee officer also noticed that the vehicle had an expired registration tag on its license plate and had an air freshener hanging from the car's rearview mirror, a violation of Minnesota state law. At 1:53 p.m. local time, the trainee officer initiated a traffic stop of Wright's vehicle on 63rd Avenue North and called for backup....
Whose emphasis was that?
Bad cops, no donuts.Deputy faces DUI charge after leading troopers on 130 mph chase, Georgia cops say
A Georgia sheriff’s deputy is charged with driving under the influence after leading state troopers on a high-speed chase earlier this month.
Georgia State Patrol officers arrested Rockdale County deputy Tobias Holmes, 25, after a trooper clocked his Honda Accord going 119 mph on I-20 westbound in Fulton County on Dec. 5, according to an incident report obtained by McClatchy News.
Holmes faces several other charges including speeding, reckless driving and attempting to elude police.
Troopers said the deputy was traveling with at least three passengers, two of whom were identified as fellow Rockdale County deputies. All were suspected to have been drinking, and an open container of Corona beer was spotted in the car after the chase, authorities said....
Two of the deputies have been placed on administrative leave pending an investigation, the sheriff’s office confirmed to McClatchy News.
“My Internal Affairs Unit has worked closely with the Georgia State Patrol as we gathered all of the facts surrounding this incident,” Rockdale County Sheriff Eric J. Levett said in a statement. “I am confident that all necessary steps for accountability and transparency will occur during this process. ... Anyone found to be in violation of RCSO policies, procedures, rules, regulations, and/or state law will be held accountable and disciplined accordingly.” ...
Tobias Holmes?Vrede too wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 8:47 amDeputy faces DUI charge after leading troopers on 130 mph chase, Georgia cops say
Bad cops, no donuts.
There's an NCIS character named Tobias Fornell. Only other time I've heard the name.
Beer is good, unless you're a (former) cop that's driving. God ain't gonna help you then.Tobias is the transliteration of the Greek Τωβίας (Tobias) which is a translation of the Hebrew biblical name "Toviyah" (Hebrew: טוֹבִיה), meaning "God is good". It is a popular male given name for both Christians and Jews in English-speaking countries, German-speaking countries, the Low Countries, and Scandinavian countries....
Again, I don't feel informed enough to say what the prosecutors or jury should have done, but here's one juror's opinion:
I'm inclined to trust them. They heard both sides and it's very difficult to convict a cop.Juror in Kim Potter trial speaks about how jury found ex-officer guilty in Daunte Wright's death
... The juror asked to remain anonymous because of the amount of public animosity, the TV station reported....
"I don’t want to speak for all the jurors, but I think we believed she was a good person and even believed that she was a good cop," the juror said. "No one felt she was intentional in this. ... We felt like she was a good person, we felt she made a mistake, and that a mistake does not absolve you from the fact she did commit a crime."
A big turning point for the jury was when it had the opportunity to hold Potter's gun and her Taser to feel the differences between them. KARE reported that the gun is about twice as heavy as a Taser and that it is unholstered and fired differently from a Taser.
“The Taser kind of feels like a mouse click, whereas the trigger has some trigger draw weight. That was a key turning point,” the juror said....
I'm not sure that's correct. One article said 15 years on one charge and 10 years on the other. I suppose consecutive sentences are possible. Or, does first-degree manslaughter negate second-degree manslaughter? If so, why are they allowed to convict on both?Potter faces a maximum of 15 years in prison when she is sentenced on Feb. 18.
Trooper, detained driver killed when responding officer crashes into them in traffic stop
A North Carolina State Highway Patrol trooper has died after being struck by a vehicle driven by his brother, also a trooper, while the two were responding to a traffic stop, authorities say. The detained driver involved in the traffic stop, later identified as Dusty Luke Beck, was also killed....
Authorities say Trooper James N. Horton was responding to assist with a traffic stop being conducted by Trooper John S. Horton when Trooper James Horton lost control of his vehicle upon approaching the traffic stop.
The Trooper collided with the stationary patrol vehicle and struck Trooper John Horton and Beck, who were both standing along the roadside.
Trooper John Horton, a fifteen-year veteran assigned to Rutherford County, was transported to a Spartanburg hospital where he died of his injuries. Beck was pronounced deceased at the scene. Trooper James Horton was taken to a local hospital for minor injuries and has since been released.
There has been no information released about why Beck was pulled over or what the conditions were at the time of the crash....
I will guess that the reason why "there has been no information released about why Beck was pulled over...." is because the state is not very proud of the fact that they've now lost one trooper, possibly two trooper cars, and a citizen all because of an inoperative tail light or something hanging from the mirror of Beck's car or some other asinine reason. It just makes for a bad equation.Vrede too wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 7:08 pmSome deaths are more tragic than others.Trooper, detained driver killed when responding officer crashes into them in traffic stop
A North Carolina State Highway Patrol trooper has died after being struck by a vehicle driven by his brother, also a trooper, while the two were responding to a traffic stop, authorities say. The detained driver involved in the traffic stop, later identified as Dusty Luke Beck, was also killed....
Authorities say Trooper James N. Horton was responding to assist with a traffic stop being conducted by Trooper John S. Horton when Trooper James Horton lost control of his vehicle upon approaching the traffic stop.
The Trooper collided with the stationary patrol vehicle and struck Trooper John Horton and Beck, who were both standing along the roadside.
Trooper John Horton, a fifteen-year veteran assigned to Rutherford County, was transported to a Spartanburg hospital where he died of his injuries. Beck was pronounced deceased at the scene. Trooper James Horton was taken to a local hospital for minor injuries and has since been released.
There has been no information released about why Beck was pulled over or what the conditions were at the time of the crash....