The car thread ...

[O Really]

Yeah, the essence of the rat rod is function over form. It must be fast and driveable, built from whatever parts are available including parts not originally intended as car parts. I saw one at last summers North West Good Guys show with a frame built largely from huge gauge roller chain welded to shape. And the Land Rover is much to well-painted and body-complete to be a real rat rod, but I like it because I've not seen one built from a Land Rover before, and it would be something you would drive around - at least to cruise the boulevard by the beach if not chasing the Road Warrior. Real rat rods should portray something that a person of limited funds might build in their garage from scraps. They aren't, really, but should look like it.

[Ulysses]

Yeah, the essence of the rat rod is function over form. It must be fast and driveable, built from whatever parts are available including parts not originally intended as car parts. I saw one at last summers North West Good Guys show with a frame built largely from huge gauge roller chain welded to shape. And the Land Rover is much to well-painted and body-complete to be a real rat rod, but I like it because I've not seen one built from a Land Rover before, and it would be something you would drive around - at least to cruise the boulevard by the beach if not chasing the Road Warrior. Real rat rods should portray something that a person of limited funds might build in their garage from scraps. They aren't, really, but should look like it.

Nice, but could you please address the pressing question?

And that is, where are you going to procure the Boebert to hang in front as a cow catcher?

[O Really]

And that is, where are you going to procure the Boebert to hang in front as a cow catcher?

I thought I'd just tell her Trump wanted her to do it.

[Ulysses]

And that is, where are you going to procure the Boebert to hang in front as a cow catcher?

I thought I'd just tell her Trump wanted her to do it.

Use a cow to catch a cow...

[Vrede too]

Nice, but could you please address the pressing question?

And that is, where are you going to procure the Boebert to hang in front as a cow catcher?

... Wishing harm on others might be a bannable offense.

Hypocrisy much?

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Awww.

[neoplacebo]

Check out this driver doing an impossible turn around on a one lane road. I would have said "Uh, I think I'll get out and hold my beer."
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/nerve-w ... 16719.html

[billy.pilgrim]

Check out this driver doing an impossible turn around on a one lane road. I would have said "Uh, I think I'll get out and hold my beer."
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/nerve-w ... 16719.html

gives new meaning to front wheel drive

[Ulysses]

Check out this driver doing an impossible turn around on a one lane road. I would have said "Uh, I think I'll get out and hold my beer."
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/nerve-w ... 16719.html

I wonder if that house up the road has a driveway one could turn a car in...?

[billy.pilgrim]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/25/business ... index.html

Slovakian approved

[Vrede too]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/25/business ... index.html

Slovakian approved

The pinnacle of air safety.

Not Slovakian approved:
https://www.businessinsider.com/video-o ... fic-2022-1

Ohio's Turnpike and Infrastructure Commission has suspended a snowplow operator after the driver directed snow and ice over the highway median and into oncoming traffic on Sunday.

The incident spread across several miles, causing accidents involving about 40 vehicles and injuring 12 people, law-enforcement officials told local media....



Ferzan Ahmed, the executive director of the turnpike commission, said in a statement that the plow driver was immediately taken off the shift, tested for drugs and alcohol, and placed on administrative leave pending an investigation into the incident....

[Ulysses]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/25/business ... index.html

Slovakian approved

I expect it will only sell to billionaires in gated communities. If that.

[Vrede too]

Porsche sent its Taycan EV cross-country to claim a 'charging time' record

A standard 2021 Porsche Taycan has broken the Guinness World Record for the shortest charging time to cross the United States in an electric vehicle. It only needed a cumulative charge time of 2 hours, 26 minutes and 48 seconds to cover a 2,834.5-mile drive from Los Angeles to New York. While the record it broke is highly specific, there was a previous holder: A Kia EV6, which had to be charged for 7 hours, 10 minutes and 1 second to make a similar, but just slightly longer, trip from New York to LA....

[Ulysses]

There's supposed to be several new types of EV batteries that can be recharged in just a couple of minutes, and have ranges of 1,000 miles or more.

But there are all sorts of technical problems so we may not see any such for five years.

I can wait.

[O Really]

Full of Porches and Volkswagens. Adrift at sea and burning.



https://www.yahoo.com/autos/abandoned-c ... 00092.html

[neoplacebo]

It has become a sea cow.

[Vrede too]

Full of Porches and Volkswagens. Adrift at sea and burning.

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/abandoned-c ... 00092.html

Lithium-ion batteries are fueling the fire on a burning cargo ship full of Porsches


All this water and nothing to put the fire out with.

The cargo ship Felicity Ace is aflame from bow to stern with a lithium-ion battery fire that can’t be put out with water alone.

The fire has been burning since Wednesday (Feb. 16), as the ship drifts in the Atlantic about 200 miles southwest of Portugal’s Azores Islands. Its 22-person crew abandoned ship and was rescued on Thursday.

The ship left Germany on Feb. 10 and headed for the US with about 4,000 Porsches, Bentleys and other luxury cars aboard, and some of those were electric vehicles. It’s not clear if the batteries contributed to the fire starting in the first place—a greasy rag in a lubricant-slicked engine room or a fuel leak are the usual suspects in ship fires—but the batteries are keeping the flames going now. A forensic investigation will take months to determine the cause.

On Saturday, João Mendes Cabeças, captain of the port of Faial, the nearest Azorean island, told Reuters that the batteries in the ship’s cargo are “keeping the fire alive.” Cabeças added that reinforcements with specialist equipment to extinguish the fire were on their way. At the time of the interview, the fire hadn’t reached the ship’s fuel tank, but was closing in.

Large quantities of dry chemicals are needed to smother lithium ion battery fires, which burn hotter and release noxious gases in the process.

Pouring water onto the Felicity Ace wouldn’t put out a lithium-ion battery fire, Cabeças told Reuters, and the added water weight could make the ship more unstable.

Lithium-ion batteries pose a special fire risk

Electric vehicle fires are rare, but pose their own kind of flammability risk, and one that becomes heightened as EVs go mainstream. Large numbers of EVs grouped together, as when they are transported by cargo ship, or electric buses parked in an overnight lot, raise the risk that one flaming battery could ignite a chain reaction in adjacent batteries. According to a research proposal at the National Academy of Sciences’ Transportation Research Board, “Lithium-ion battery fire risks are currently undermanaged in transit operations.”

There have been more than 35 large lithium-ion battery fires since 2018, Paul Christensen, an expert in lithium fires, told the Financial Times, including a 13-ton Tesla megapack storage battery in Victoria Australia that burned for three days. An electric ferry in Norway caught fire in 2019, and in April 2021, a battery fire at a Beijing mall killed two firefighters.

In addition, car-carrying ships and ferries can face higher risks from fires, according to insurer Allianz Global’s head of marine risk. Due to the internal areas not being divided to make it easier to transport cars, when a fire starts it can spread more easily.

Bummer.

[GoCubsGo]

Bummer.

If true, at this point it should just be torpedoed as a hazard to navigation.

There's not going to be anything to save.

[billy.pilgrim]

Full of Porches and Volkswagens. Adrift at sea and burning.

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/abandoned-c ... 00092.html

Lithium-ion batteries are fueling the fire on a burning cargo ship full of Porsches


All this water and nothing to put the fire out with.

The cargo ship Felicity Ace is aflame from bow to stern with a lithium-ion battery fire that can’t be put out with water alone.

The fire has been burning since Wednesday (Feb. 16), as the ship drifts in the Atlantic about 200 miles southwest of Portugal’s Azores Islands. Its 22-person crew abandoned ship and was rescued on Thursday.

The ship left Germany on Feb. 10 and headed for the US with about 4,000 Porsches, Bentleys and other luxury cars aboard, and some of those were electric vehicles. It’s not clear if the batteries contributed to the fire starting in the first place—a greasy rag in a lubricant-slicked engine room or a fuel leak are the usual suspects in ship fires—but the batteries are keeping the flames going now. A forensic investigation will take months to determine the cause.

On Saturday, João Mendes Cabeças, captain of the port of Faial, the nearest Azorean island, told Reuters that the batteries in the ship’s cargo are “keeping the fire alive.” Cabeças added that reinforcements with specialist equipment to extinguish the fire were on their way. At the time of the interview, the fire hadn’t reached the ship’s fuel tank, but was closing in.

Large quantities of dry chemicals are needed to smother lithium ion battery fires, which burn hotter and release noxious gases in the process.

Pouring water onto the Felicity Ace wouldn’t put out a lithium-ion battery fire, Cabeças told Reuters, and the added water weight could make the ship more unstable.

Lithium-ion batteries pose a special fire risk

Electric vehicle fires are rare, but pose their own kind of flammability risk, and one that becomes heightened as EVs go mainstream. Large numbers of EVs grouped together, as when they are transported by cargo ship, or electric buses parked in an overnight lot, raise the risk that one flaming battery could ignite a chain reaction in adjacent batteries. According to a research proposal at the National Academy of Sciences’ Transportation Research Board, “Lithium-ion battery fire risks are currently undermanaged in transit operations.”

There have been more than 35 large lithium-ion battery fires since 2018, Paul Christensen, an expert in lithium fires, told the Financial Times, including a 13-ton Tesla megapack storage battery in Victoria Australia that burned for three days. An electric ferry in Norway caught fire in 2019, and in April 2021, a battery fire at a Beijing mall killed two firefighters.

In addition, car-carrying ships and ferries can face higher risks from fires, according to insurer Allianz Global’s head of marine risk. Due to the internal areas not being divided to make it easier to transport cars, when a fire starts it can spread more easily.

Bummer.

Fuel burns

https://professionalmariner.com/ntsb-de ... tasy-fire/

https://www.cnn.com/2013/04/25/us/alaba ... index.html

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waverly ... _explosion

[GoCubsGo]

Fuel burns

https://professionalmariner.com/ntsb-de ... tasy-fire/

https://www.cnn.com/2013/04/25/us/alaba ... index.html

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waverly ... _explosion

Fire on a ship is one of a Mariners worst fears.

The USS Bonhomme Richard burned at the dock and wasn't fueled by fuel.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Bon ... _2020_fire

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Bon ... rd_(LHD-6)

[Vrede too]

Fuel burns ...

Of course it does. I'm unclear on your point.