Sedition

[Vrede too]

Could it be that we are the butt of the bigger joke; after all, aren't we paying a pension to an insurrectionist?

That would be Freeport, New York, but as young as he "retired" it could be that NY and/or the feds are paying disability. Then, it may be room and board when he's imprisoned.

[O Really]

"pension to an insurrectionist"
Wouldn't that apply to Trump?

[billy.pilgrim]

"pension to an insurrectionist"
Wouldn't that apply to Trump?

Yes sir

[Ulysses]

Well, I have to disagree with some of the sentiment expressed here. A pension is like a retirement plan or Social Security. It should be preserved even if the recipient is in jail. Sure, prosecute the bastard for his/her crimes, and if they are convicted put them in jail, but don't fuck with their pension. It's just petty revenge.

Of course some pensions are unbelievably fat, especially some of those for former law enforcement personnel, so there is that. But better to address that inequity at the pension level to begin with.

[O Really]

Well, I have to disagree with some of the sentiment expressed here. A pension is like a retirement plan or Social Security. It should be preserved even if the recipient is in jail. Sure, prosecute the bastard for his/her crimes, and if they are convicted put them in jail, but don't fuck with their pension. It's just petty revenge.

Of course some pensions are unbelievably fat, especially some of those for former law enforcement personnel, so there is that. But better to address that inequity at the pension level to begin with.

Pensions are a retirement plan - a employment benefit subject to various eligibility conditions. One of those conditions is typically not to get fired for certain transgressions. Like if you're a cop, you can lose your pension for being fired for being convicted of a felony. If you're a federal employee, you can lose your pension for, for example, passing along classified information. These aren't new rules, nor new interpretations. They're clear and stated in the pension or employer documents. Specific disqualifiers, however, would vary from plan to plan and in different locations.

[Ulysses]

Well, I have to disagree with some of the sentiment expressed here. A pension is like a retirement plan or Social Security. It should be preserved even if the recipient is in jail. Sure, prosecute the bastard for his/her crimes, and if they are convicted put them in jail, but don't fuck with their pension. It's just petty revenge.

Of course some pensions are unbelievably fat, especially some of those for former law enforcement personnel, so there is that. But better to address that inequity at the pension level to begin with.

Pensions are a retirement plan - a employment benefit subject to various eligibility conditions. One of those conditions is typically not to get fired for certain transgressions. Like if you're a cop, you can lose your pension for being fired for being convicted of a felony. If you're a federal employee, you can lose your pension for, for example, passing along classified information. These aren't new rules, nor new interpretations. They're clear and stated in the pension or employer documents. Specific disqualifiers, however, would vary from plan to plan and in different locations.

OIC. So they are different from SS in that respect? What the the SS rules? Can SS be taken away if one is convicted of a felony? Not that I have any plans for that, but you never know.

[O Really]

OIC. So they are different from SS in that respect? What the the SS rules? Can SS be taken away if one is convicted of a felony? Not that I have any plans for that, but you never know.

The only similarity in a private pension and social security is that they are both "defined benefit" plans. Social Security is a federal program funded by employment taxes. Private pension plans (of which there aren't very many remaining) are sponsored and funded by private organizations such as companies or unions, and may or may not include participant contributions. Funds for the private pension are usually invested in some stock scheme, and the amount of benefit one receives may be affected by fund's performance. Private pension plans are tightly regulated, but are subject to sponsor fraud or incompetence. Many participants have lost their pensions because of bankruptcies, acquisitions/mergers, or corporate malfeasance. But when run well and honestly, a defined benefit pension plan is great for the employee and provides, along with Social Security, a good and safe nest egg. They started to go away when 401(k)s came in.

[neoplacebo]

If you are in jail, you lose your Social Security payments. That's part of the yearly SS statement they send out to recipients. Pay attention Neo Navarro.

[Vrede too]

Well, I have to disagree with some of the sentiment expressed here. A pension is like a retirement plan or Social Security. It should be preserved even if the recipient is in jail. Sure, prosecute the bastard for his/her crimes, and if they are convicted put them in jail, but don't fuck with their pension. It's just petty revenge.

Of course some pensions are unbelievably fat, especially some of those for former law enforcement personnel, so there is that. But better to address that inequity at the pension level to begin with.

To be accurate - I know how important that is to you - no one has posted that his pension should be fucked with. billy.pilgrim stated "that we are the butt of the bigger joke (by) paying a pension to an insurrectionist," but did NOT suggest that any action against the pension should be taken. Pay attention.

(signature: obsessed gibberish)

Awww.

Pensions are a retirement plan - a employment benefit subject to various eligibility conditions. One of those conditions is typically not to get fired for certain transgressions. Like if you're a cop, you can lose your pension for being fired for being convicted of a felony. If you're a federal employee, you can lose your pension for, for example, passing along classified information. These aren't new rules, nor new interpretations. They're clear and stated in the pension or employer documents. Specific disqualifiers, however, would vary from plan to plan and in different locations.

The article doesn't say, but it's possible that the firefighter insurrectionist "retired" before 1/6/2021. So, no telling if he was fired for that cause or any other.

In fact, we don't know that he's getting a pension at all. At only 54 now it may be too soon for one to kick in, if he's even eligible.

[billy.pilgrim]

'bout time
Head of oath keepers arrested for conspiracy along with a few of his top buds.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... story.html

[Vrede too]

'bout time
Head of oath keepers arrested for conspiracy along with a few of his top buds.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... story.html

You beat me to it. Different article since WaPo has a paywall:
https://www.npr.org/2022/01/13/10728196 ... on-capitol

The Justice Department unsealed seditious conspiracy charges against the leader of the far-right Oath Keepers group and 10 other people on Thursday, alleging they plotted to disrupt the electoral process at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 and endangered former Vice President Mike Pence.

Federal authorities arrested Oath Keepers leader Stewart Rhodes in Texas on Thursday morning and also took Edward Vallejo into custody in Arizona. The other nine people had already been accused of some crimes related to the siege on the Capitol last year.

The grand jury indictment in the District of Columbia is the most serious and sweeping case to emerge from the federal investigation into the Capitol riot and the first to include the seditious conspiracy charge, which carries a maximum of 20 years in prison. Rarely seen in recent years, seditious conspiracy charges are made against those who plot to prevent the execution of U.S. law....

The Justice Department said the Oath Keepers were determined to stop the lawful transfer of power, with two groups marching in military-style formations toward the Capitol that day and other personnel labeled "quick reaction forces" waiting outside D.C. to transport firearms and other weapons. Vallejo allegedly helped coordinate one of those quick-reaction teams.

The court papers said the defendants organized teams to use force and bring firearms to the Capitol, recruited members to participate, organized trainings and brought paramilitary gear, knives, batons and radio equipment to Washington.

Merrick Garland plays rough. Lock them all up for a long time!

Oath Keepers: Organizational history

Oath Keepers was founded in March 2009 by Elmer Stewart Rhodes, a Yale Law School graduate, former U.S. Army paratrooper, and former staffer for Republican Congressman Ron Paul.... On December 8, 2015, Rhodes was disbarred by the Montana Supreme Court for conduct violating the Montana Rules of Professional Conduct after refusing to respond to two bar grievances filed against him in the federal district court in Arizona....

[Ulysses]

OIC. So they are different from SS in that respect? What the the SS rules? Can SS be taken away if one is convicted of a felony? Not that I have any plans for that, but you never know.

The only similarity in a private pension and social security is that they are both "defined benefit" plans. Social Security is a federal program funded by employment taxes. Private pension plans (of which there aren't very many remaining) are sponsored and funded by private organizations such as companies or unions, and may or may not include participant contributions. Funds for the private pension are usually invested in some stock scheme, and the amount of benefit one receives may be affected by fund's performance. Private pension plans are tightly regulated, but are subject to sponsor fraud or incompetence. Many participants have lost their pensions because of bankruptcies, acquisitions/mergers, or corporate malfeasance. But when run well and honestly, a defined benefit pension plan is great for the employee and provides, along with Social Security, a good and safe nest egg. They started to go away when 401(k)s came in.

Thanks for that info. Never had an employer pension. I had 401k's from two different employers. I combined them into one, with the second employer. Also have an IRA, which is actually bigger than the combined 401k now. And a brokerage account, which now is about the same size as the combined 401k.

Although in my teen years I did work for the Post Office. I was never aware of a pension plan in that job, although perhaps it wouldn't hurt to check. I doubt I have the pay stubs. And even if I did, finding them would be a challenge. Perhaps I could check with the USPS? Most likely I didn't qualify because of the part-time nature of the employment, save for 1/2 of one summer.

[Vrede too]

(signature: obsessed gibberish)

Awww.
Useless Does Know How To Suck Eggs.

[GoCubsGo]

'bout time
Head of oath keepers arrested for conspiracy along with a few of his top buds.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... story.html

BTW, fun fact.

[billy.pilgrim]

'bout time
Head of oath keepers arrested for conspiracy along with a few of his top buds.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... story.html

BTW, fun fact.

You made ne spit good whiskey

[Vrede too]

'bout time
Head of oath keepers arrested for conspiracy along with a few of his top buds.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... story.html

Fox News' Brit Hume Panned For Very Poorly Timed Jan. 6 Tweet
The conservative analyst suggested Jan. 6 should not be called an insurrection unless someone is charged with it.

...



Within a few hours of Hume’s post, news broke that 11 members of the right-wing Oath Keepers, including founder Stewart Rhodes, had been arrested and charged with seditious conspiracy in connection to the attack on the Capitol. It’s the most serious charge yet in the sprawling investigation, which has seen more than 700 people charged.

Both seditious conspiracy and insurrection against the government are serious federal crimes, though seditious conspiracy actually holds more severe penalties than insurrection — up to 20 years imprisonment. Charges of insurrection or incitement of insurrection involve fines and imprisonment of up to 10 years....

Is seditious conspiracy close enough Brit?

Tweets that didn’t age…even an hour.

*clears throat*

"Alexa, who has the worst timing ever on Twitter?"

Let’s not call Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, or Afghanistan “wars” because the US hasn’t declared war since WWII.

More mocking tweets at the link.

Here's a thought, Brit - You're an idiot.

The tweets have tweets:

I'm not sure this is a thought, Brit

By this logic, Capone wasn’t a murderous kingpin but merely a tax fraud.

he was a brewmaster.

You would think he would be embarrassed enough to delete it.

Who says Garland doesn't have great a sense of humor.

Oopsie!

[GoCubsGo]

You made ne spit good whiskey

I hate that for you.

[Vrede too]

A Capitol riot defendant stormed out of a hearing after the judge ordered him back (to stay) behind bars

[Vrede too]

'bout time
Head of oath keepers arrested for conspiracy along with a few of his top buds.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... story.html

BTW, fun fact.

You made me spit good whiskey

Kimmel (I think): A cross between Capt Hook and Capt Crunch.

[GoCubsGo]

Answers?
Finally?