College basketball

[billy.pilgrim]

What a bunch of sore losers

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[O Really]

OK, so I made a cursory effort, including this article purporting to explain the NET system, and I still don't have a clue. https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-me ... -explained

Does anyone have an easy explanation of what a "quadrant" is in the rankings - and on a simplicity level for someone with marginal interest?

[billy.pilgrim]

OK, so I made a cursory effort, including this article purporting to explain the NET system, and I still don't have a clue. https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-me ... -explained

Does anyone have an easy explanation of what a "quadrant" is in the rankings - and on a simplicity level for someone with marginal interest?

Son says,
It's how they rank wins. The NCAA's computer rankings. The lower the quadrant the better the win is for strength of schedule.
If you beat a team ranked 1-30 at home it's quad 1, neutral site 1-50, Away game Is 1-75 for quad 1.

[Vrede too]

OK, so I made a cursory effort, including this article purporting to explain the NET system, and I still don't have a clue. https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-me ... -explained

Does anyone have an easy explanation of what a "quadrant" is in the rankings - and on a simplicity level for someone with marginal interest?

Son says,
It's how they rank wins. The NCAA's computer rankings. The lower the quadrant the better the win is for strength of schedule.
If you beat a team ranked 1-30 at home it's quad 1, neutral site 1-50, Away game Is 1-75 for quad 1.

The only rankings I pay attention to are the AP and the MM seedings, without thinking much about how either gets to its conclusions.

[O Really]

OK, so I made a cursory effort, including this article purporting to explain the NET system, and I still don't have a clue. https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-me ... -explained

Does anyone have an easy explanation of what a "quadrant" is in the rankings - and on a simplicity level for someone with marginal interest?

Son says,
It's how they rank wins. The NCAA's computer rankings. The lower the quadrant the better the win is for strength of schedule.
If you beat a team ranked 1-30 at home it's quad 1, neutral site 1-50, Away game Is 1-75 for quad 1.

Thanks, and I appreciate the effort, but what I read was Όσο χαμηλότερο είναι το τεταρτημόριο τόσο καλύτερη είναι η νίκη για την ισχύ του προγράμματος.
Αν κερδίσετε μια ομάδα με βαθμολόγηση 1-30 εντός έδρας, είναι τετράδα 1, ουδέτερη τοποθεσία 1-50, εκτός έδρας παιχνίδι είναι 1-75 για την τετράδα 1.

What does "1-30" or "1-75" mean?

[billy.pilgrim]

OK, so I made a cursory effort, including this article purporting to explain the NET system, and I still don't have a clue. https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-me ... -explained

Does anyone have an easy explanation of what a "quadrant" is in the rankings - and on a simplicity level for someone with marginal interest?

Son says,
It's how they rank wins. The NCAA's computer rankings. The lower the quadrant the better the win is for strength of schedule.
If you beat a team ranked 1-30 at home it's quad 1, neutral site 1-50, Away game Is 1-75 for quad 1.

Thanks, and I appreciate the effort, but what I read was Όσο χαμηλότερο είναι το τεταρτημόριο τόσο καλύτερη είναι η νίκη για την ισχύ του προγράμματος.
Αν κερδίσετε μια ομάδα με βαθμολόγηση 1-30 εντός έδρας, είναι τετράδα 1, ουδέτερη τοποθεσία 1-50, εκτός έδρας παιχνίδι είναι 1-75 για την τετράδα 1.

What does "1-30" or "1-75" mean?

Computer ranking - I think.

[Vrede too]

... What does "1-30" or "1-75" mean?

First vs 30th or 75th highest ranking. So, the quality of win (quadrant) is determined by "1-30" or "1-75" vs lower quality wins like "Quadrant 4: Home 161-353, Neutral 201-353, Away 241-353".

... Using the quadrant system, which was in its fourth season in 2020-21, the quality of wins and losses will be organized based on game location and the opponent's NET ranking.

Quadrant 1: Home 1-30, Neutral 1-50, Away 1-75
Quadrant 2: Home 31-75, Neutral 51-100, Away 76-135
Quadrant 3: Home 76-160, Neutral 101-200, Away 135-240
Quadrant 4: Home 161-353, Neutral 201-353, Away 241-353

The number of Quadrant 1 wins and Quadrant 3/4 losses will be incredibly important when it comes time for NCAA tournament selection and seeding.

I guess that's simpler than comparing beating #9 vs beating #10. Both are just Quadrant 1 wins in the NET system.

[O Really]

Oh well, I've won several MM pools without understanding all that. No reason to confuse myself further.
I guess what's keeping me fogged is the use of the term "quadrant." Shouldn't a quadrant have four parts - not just 1-4, but something like up-right; up-left; down-left; down-right? Is there any meaning to what constitutes each "quadrant"?

[Vrede too]

Oh well, I've won several MM pools without understanding all that. No reason to confuse myself further.
I guess what's keeping me fogged is the use of the term "quadrant." Shouldn't a quadrant have four parts - not just 1-4, but something like up-right; up-left; down-left; down-right? Is there any meaning to what constitutes each "quadrant"?

Aside: Davidson (30), San Diego State (31) are currently on the "Quadrant" bubble, if AP and NET rankings have any similarity.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings

[Vrede too]

What a bunch of sore losers

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Sore winners:

The Tennessee basketball student section began chanting "overrated" with 1:34 to play Saturday....

Ouch.

[billy.pilgrim]

What a bunch of sore losers

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Sore winners:

The Tennessee basketball student section began chanting "overrated" with 1:34 to play Saturday....

Ouch.

As their coach said, "to me, it diminishes that you just won a great game"'

And to me, they’re right if the Auburn team that showed up Saturday was typical Auburn. It wasn't.

[Vrede too]

Cushion for Auburn (3):
Purdue (4) 24-5 - 65, Michigan St 19-9 - 68
Kentucky (6) 23-6, 2nd SEC - 73, Arkansas (18) 23-6, 2nd SEC - 75

Duke (7) 25-4, 1st ACC - 97, Syracuse 15-14 - 72, no surprise. Then, things got crazier than they already were:
Your Auburn (3) lost to Tennessee (17) 62-67.
Gonzaga (1) 24-2 1st WCC - 57, St. Mary's (23) 23-6 2nd WCC - 67
Arizona (2) 25-3, 1st PAC12 - 63, unranked Colorado 19-10 - 79
Kansas (5) 23-5, 1st BIG12 - 70, Baylor (10) 24-5, 2nd BIG12 - 80
Tue, Feb 22: Villanova (8) 21-7, 2nd BIGE - 69, Connecticut (21) 20-7, 3rd BIGE - 71
Texas Tech (9) 22-7 - 66, unranked TCU 18-9 - 69

So, #s 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8 & 9 all lost. That has to be some sort of record.
Great for Duke and Baylor , but what it will mean for Auburn. Good chance the voters will be all over the place.

7 of the top 10 lost

Funny (to me) - Gonzaga never led

Plus, Villanova (8) lost on Tues. Also, #s 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 (Wed), 16, 17, 18, 19 & 20 won, all but #15 (Thur). (#12 UCLA lost to unranked OR on Thur) Maybe there will be some switching between the top 9 and the next 11.

New AP Top 25

1 Gonzaga (46 first place votes) 24-3, unchanged despite the loss.
2 Arizona (0) 25-3, unchanged despite the loss to an unranked opponent.
3 Baylor (4) 24-5, up 7 after beating #4
4 Duke (11!) 25-4, up 3
5 Auburn 25-4, down 2. #1 seems long ago.
6 Kansas 23-5 and 7 Kentucky 23-6 both dropped 1
8 Purdue 24-5, dropped 4
9 Providence 24-3 and 10 Wisconsin 23-5 entered the top 10
11 Villanova 21-7 and 12 Texas Tech 22-7 exited the top 10
13 Tennessee 21-7, up 4 after beating Auburn

17 UCLA 21-6, down 5

(27) Davidson, up 3

(33) San Diego State, down 2

Still no votes: Sister Jean's Ramblers, MD, Miami, UNC, OR, WA

[billy.pilgrim]

Cushion for Auburn (3):
Purdue (4) 24-5 - 65, Michigan St 19-9 - 68
Kentucky (6) 23-6, 2nd SEC - 73, Arkansas (18) 23-6, 2nd SEC - 75

Duke (7) 25-4, 1st ACC - 97, Syracuse 15-14 - 72, no surprise. Then, things got crazier than they already were:
Your Auburn (3) lost to Tennessee (17) 62-67.
Gonzaga (1) 24-2 1st WCC - 57, St. Mary's (23) 23-6 2nd WCC - 67
Arizona (2) 25-3, 1st PAC12 - 63, unranked Colorado 19-10 - 79
Kansas (5) 23-5, 1st BIG12 - 70, Baylor (10) 24-5, 2nd BIG12 - 80
Tue, Feb 22: Villanova (8) 21-7, 2nd BIGE - 69, Connecticut (21) 20-7, 3rd BIGE - 71
Texas Tech (9) 22-7 - 66, unranked TCU 18-9 - 69

So, #s 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8 & 9 all lost. That has to be some sort of record.
Great for Duke and Baylor , but what it will mean for Auburn. Good chance the voters will be all over the place.

7 of the top 10 lost

Funny (to me) - Gonzaga never led

Plus, Villanova (8) lost on Tues. Also, #s 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 (Wed), 16, 17, 18, 19 & 20 won, all but #15 (Thur). (#12 UCLA lost to unranked OR on Thur) Maybe there will be some switching between the top 9 and the next 11.

New AP Top 25

1 Gonzaga (46 first place votes) 24-3, unchanged despite the loss.
2 Arizona (0) 25-3, unchanged despite the loss to an unranked opponent.
3 Baylor (4) 24-5, up 7 after beating #4
4 Duke (11!) 25-4, up 3
5 Auburn 25-4, down 2. #1 seems long ago.
6 Kansas 23-5 and 7 Kentucky 23-6 both dropped 1
8 Purdue 24-5, dropped 4
9 Providence 24-3 and 10 Wisconsin 23-5 entered the top 10
11 Villanova 21-7 and 12 Texas Tech 22-7 exited the top 10
13 Tennessee 21-7, up 4 after beating Auburn

17 UCLA 21-6, down 5

(27) Davidson, up 3

(33) San Diego State, down 2

Still no votes: Sister Jean's Ramblers, MD, Miami, UNC, OR, WA

Gonzaga staying at #1 after that embarrassing loss is really strange. They never led once against a #23 team and Arizona losing to an unranked team staying at #2 - weird.

At least the Auburn v Tennessee game went back and forth and was close at the end and not a 15 point loss.

[Vrede too]

Gonzaga staying at #1 after that embarrassing loss is really strange. They never led once against a #23 team and Arizona losing to an unranked team staying at #2 - weird.

At least the Auburn v Tennessee game went back and forth and was close at the end and not a 15 point loss.

Not saying that I agree with them but Gonzaga's large majority of first place votes suggest that the voters see something there. The team that beat it, Saint Mary's, has been moved up to #19. As for Arizona, the lack of any first place votes plus the closeness of the overall vote tells me that the voters were as gobsmacked by last week's games as the rest of the country. Only 145 points separate #2 Arizona and #7 Kentucky . The tournaments are soon and should sort things out better among this group of losers.

The coaches are different:
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings

1 Gonzaga (20)
2 Duke (9)
3 Arizona, still no first place votes
4 Baylor (1)
5 Auburn (1) Is Auburn's coach a voter?
6 Kentucky (1)

[billy.pilgrim]

Gonzaga staying at #1 after that embarrassing loss is really strange. They never led once against a #23 team and Arizona losing to an unranked team staying at #2 - weird.

At least the Auburn v Tennessee game went back and forth and was close at the end and not a 15 point loss.

Not saying that I agree with them but Gonzaga's large majority of first place votes suggest that the voters see something there. The team that beat it, Saint Mary's, has been moved up to #19. As for Arizona, the lack of any first place votes plus the closeness of the overall vote tells me that the voters were as gobsmacked by last week's games as the rest of the country. Only 145 points separate #2 Arizona and #7 Kentucky . The tournaments are soon and should sort things out better among this group of losers.

The coaches are different:
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings

1 Gonzaga (20)
2 Duke (9)
3 Arizona, still no first place votes
4 Baylor (1)
5 Auburn (1) Is Auburn's coach a voter?
6 Kentucky (1)

The voters see legacy, always have and always will. They definitely didn't see St.Marys spank Gonzaga unmercifully for the full 60 minute game.

[Vrede too]

The voters see legacy, always have and always will. They definitely didn't see St. Marys spank Gonzaga unmercifully for the full 60 minute game.

Would you bet on Auburn to go further than Gonzaga in MM? I haven't watched either play.

Another OT vs an unranked team, congrats on surviving.

[O Really]

So today is Coack K's last home game at Cameron, and the guessers have Dook a 12.5 point favourite over UNC. Duke holds a slight lead against Carolina overall during K's career, a little more at home, and is behind at the Dean Dome. Tickets to the game today were literally in the $thousands. Toss in several "ifs" and UNC might pull it off. If they can contain Duke to keep it close; If they show up with their best and not their usual game; If Duke has a slightly off day; If Dean Smith were still coach ... It would be nice to be wrong, but I think there's going to be a butt-kicking blowout on Tobacco Road.

[GoCubsGo]

I might even watch.

[billy.pilgrim]

So today is Coack K's last home game at Cameron, and the guessers have Dook a 12.5 point favourite over UNC. Duke holds a slight lead against Carolina overall during K's career, a little more at home, and is behind at the Dean Dome. Tickets to the game today were literally in the $thousands. Toss in several "ifs" and UNC might pull it off. If they can contain Duke to keep it close; If they show up with their best and not their usual game; If Duke has a slightly off day; If Dean Smith were still coach ... It would be nice to be wrong, but I think there's going to be a butt-kicking blowout on Tobacco Road.

But you wish you still had this guy


"Kessler currently leads the nation and SEC in blocked shots (4.6 bpg) and is Auburn’s single-season record holder in blocked shots (138). Kessler is also averaging 11.6 points and 8.2 rebounds per game this season with two triple-double performances. He is also a semifinalist for the Naismith Defensive Player of the Year Award."

https://www.on3.com/teams/auburn-tigers ... sec-title/

[billy.pilgrim]

The voters see legacy, always have and always will. They definitely didn't see St. Marys spank Gonzaga unmercifully for the full 60 minute game.

Would you bet on Auburn to go further than Gonzaga in MM? I haven't watched either play.

Another OT vs an unranked team, congrats on surviving.

i(still)dk what we will do. Too many "off" minutes. We've been way up at some point in all the close games and then nothing. We were up 19 (I think) in the miss state game that ended in a tie, but we beat them by 13 in OT. Same in the Tennessee game. We were up 13 or so before the half, but lost by 5.

I've watched both and in my extremely biased opinion we are better, but I also think we could lose in the 1st round.

I'm as conflicted as my team.

We play another unranked team at noon central time today. Tigers vs the Chickens