The Music Thread

[Ulysses]

For some reason that drumming sounds familiar. But I also seem to remember two drummers that night. Maybe because one drummer sounded like two. IDK. Whatever it was, it was epic. And yes, the shouts from the crowd were pretty much similar to those in the video above.

What I really miss, though, is being 19 again, LOL.

[Vrede too]

All this niggling has convinced me to re bias my amplifier tubes. It's a real pain in the ass because I have to turn four different small screws until the indicator light comes on and it's hard as hell to do; the screws are smaller than the winding dial on an old watch and down in a hole. Plus the hot tubes are near the holes unless you're a child with small hands. After that I figure to put on the Allman Brothers Fillmore East disc and become useless in a good way.

I think it was "Fillmore West '71" but maybe there was also an East. Or you could be looking at the back of the album. Yes, that's niggling.

The Fillmore East was rock promoter Bill Graham's rock venue on Second Avenue near East 6th Street in the (at the time) Lower East Side neighborhood, now called the East Village neighborhood of the borough of Manhattan of New York City. It was open from March 8, 1968, to June 27, 1971, and featured some of the biggest acts in rock music at the time. The Fillmore East was a companion to Graham's Fillmore Auditorium, and its successor, the Fillmore West, in San Francisco, Graham's home base.

At Fillmore East is the first live album by American rock band the Allman Brothers Band, and their third release overall. Produced by Tom Dowd, the album was released in July 6, 1971, in the United States by Capricorn Records. As the title indicates, the recording took place at the New York City music venue Fillmore East, which was run by concert promoter Bill Graham. It was recorded over the course of three nights in March 1971 and features the band performing extended jam versions of songs such as "Whipping Post", "You Don't Love Me" and "In Memory of Elizabeth Reed". When first commercially released, it was issued as a double LP with just seven songs across four vinyl sides.

At Fillmore East was the band's artistic and commercial breakthrough, rapidly escalating the band's exposure and gaining them a new legion of loyal fans. Many people consider At Fillmore East to be one of the best live albums of all time, and consider the album to be the start of the band's association with the jam band school of music (although members of the band have repudiated the label, stating instead they are just "a band that jams") . It has also been ranked among the best overall albums by artists and continues to be a top seller in the band's catalog, becoming their first album to go platinum. In 2004, the album was selected for preservation in the Library of Congress, deemed to be "culturally, historically, or aesthetically important" by the National Recording Registry.

[Ulysses]

I do occasionally engage in niggling, a perfectly proper Brit word that has nothing to do with any other word starting with "nigg", but that wasn't my intent here, It's just that for someone who enjoys them, a good concert, regardless of official definition, is an experience - an immersive experience - not just something seen.

Oh, but If you think I just saw the drum solo (or duet, whatever), you would be mistaken. It lasted about 10 minutes, was epic, and I not only heard but saw it and was immersed in the whole experience. That it wasn't a hour or two hour or four hour concert is a irrelevant detail. For me it was an experience.

Oh, and I see a lot of talk here about "Fillmore East". That was a secondary venue. Bill Graham got his start in San Francisco, at the Fillmore Auditorium there. Due to the popularity of his shows (and probably to make more $$$) he opened another venue in NYC. Maybe he was from NY; it wouldn't surprise me. But the whole counter-culture phenomenon, along with the new style of rock music that accompanied it, was a San Francisco phenomenon. And they say, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. I consider myself lucky to have been a teen in SF when all this was going on.

[neoplacebo]

All this niggling has convinced me to re bias my amplifier tubes. It's a real pain in the ass because I have to turn four different small screws until the indicator light comes on and it's hard as hell to do; the screws are smaller than the winding dial on an old watch and down in a hole. Plus the hot tubes are near the holes unless you're a child with small hands. After that I figure to put on the Allman Brothers Fillmore East disc and become useless in a good way.

I think it was "Fillmore West '71" but maybe there was also an East. Or you could be looking at the back of the album. Yes, that's niggling.

That's the first I've ever heard of the Fillmore Auditorium referred to as "Fillmore West." It existed before the NY venue with the same name. Vrede too posted the info about both p;laces.

[Vrede too]

That's the first I've ever heard of the Fillmore Auditorium referred to as "Fillmore West." It existed before the NY venue with the same name. Vrede too posted the info about both places.

I niggled O Really.

[Whack9]

[billy.pilgrim]

All this niggling has convinced me to re bias my amplifier tubes. It's a real pain in the ass because I have to turn four different small screws until the indicator light comes on and it's hard as hell to do; the screws are smaller than the winding dial on an old watch and down in a hole. Plus the hot tubes are near the holes unless you're a child with small hands. After that I figure to put on the Allman Brothers Fillmore East disc and become useless in a good way.

I think it was "Fillmore West '71" but maybe there was also an East. Or you could be looking at the back of the album. Yes, that's niggling.

That's the first I've ever heard of the Fillmore Auditorium referred to as "Fillmore West." It existed before the NY venue with the same name. Vrede too posted the info about both p;laces.

The casino is long gone from when the Allman Joys performed. It wasn't quite the Filmore, but first is first - from 1966

https://youtu.be/IUoR3Ouzsuo

[O Really]

I should probably not play in the weeds of a band I didn't follow all that closely.
"East" was the first album, from 1971.
"West" is considered a "retrospective" 4-disc thing released in 2019
Opps
Sorry, Neoplacebo.

[neoplacebo]

I should probably not play in the weeds of a band I didn't follow all that closely.
"East" was the first album, from 1971.
"West" is considered a "retrospective" 4-disc thing released in 2019
Opps
Sorry, Neoplacebo.

No big deal. I'd just never heard the term before. But the 2019 release date sort of clears up why I never heard "west" applied. Most of the music I have is decades older than 2019. I probably haven't heard any of the current top ten songs. But that don't bother me. Most of that stuff is shit to me.

[Ulysses]

That's the first I've ever heard of the Fillmore Auditorium referred to as "Fillmore West." It existed before the NY venue with the same name. Vrede too posted the info about both p;laces.

Yes, back in the day, the original Fillmore, as I recall, was actually in the Fillmore District in SF. If I'm not mistaken, it looked like big gymnasium. Graham repurposed it for rock concerts.


And here's a wiki on the Fillmore:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fillmore

I remember seeing a big wooden floor, hardwood, which is why I thought it was originally a gym. However, it would make sense that the original "Majestic" ballroom would have a wood floor as well. Probably a wood roof, not concrete ;-). There was probably a stage, too, where the band (reduced to just a drummer or two) sat for performances. Probably a bunch of folding chairs for the audience. I just stood there at the back enjoying the spectacle.

Note: It's entirely possible that the venue I visited was the second Fillmore in SF, which was just off Market and Van Ness streets, dubbed by Graham Fillmore West. IDK, long ago.

[Vrede too]

I should probably not play in the weeds of a band I didn't follow all that closely.
"East" was the first album, from 1971.
"West" is considered a "retrospective" 4-disc thing released in 2019
Opps
Sorry, Neoplacebo.

No big deal. I'd just never heard the term before. But the 2019 release date sort of clears up why I never heard "west" applied. Most of the music I have is decades older than 2019. I probably haven't heard any of the current top ten songs. But that don't bother me. Most of that stuff is shit to me.

Sounds like it was called both "Fillmore" then "Fillmore West" way back when it was still open:

Fillmore West, Fillmore East and the New Old Fillmore

In the summer of 1968, the continuing socioeconomic deterioration of the surrounding neighborhood and the modest capacity of the venue compelled Graham to abandon the Fillmore Auditorium only two years after his famous association with the venue commenced. That July, he assumed ownership of the Carousel Ballroom at nearby 10 South Van Ness Avenue. The venue had been previously managed as a cooperative venture for several months by the Grateful Dead, Jefferson Airplane and other Bay Area groups. The Carousel subsequently operated as the Fillmore West, paralleling Graham's Fillmore East in New York City's East Village. However, both venues were shuttered by Graham in July 1971 as arena bookings on popular music tours became increasingly prevalent.

For an indeterminate period from 1969 to 1970, the Fillmore Auditorium was operated by new management as the New Old Fillmore; during this period, the Grateful Dead and The Stooges performed notable engagements at the venue.

[O Really]

One list of top 10 concerts at the Fillmore.
https://uproxx.com/music/fillmore-west- ... -all-time/

[Ulysses]

It's entirely possible, if not probable, that the venue I heard the epic drum solo at was at the Market/Van Ness location. More likely because at the time I had no automobile and that location was closer to the public transportation route I would have taken to visit my mom's apartment. Probably doesn't make much difference, except now I'm sort of more than curious about the whole experience. Perhaps if I were to visit the site, more details would emerge from somewhere in my memory banks.

[billy.pilgrim]

One list of top 10 concerts at the Fillmore.
https://uproxx.com/music/fillmore-west- ... -all-time/

Between the name Allman Joys and the Allman Brothers, they were the Hourglass and played the Fillmore in 1967.

https://art.famsf.org/bonnie-maclean/er ... auditorium

[Vrede too]

I've had this wrong for 39 years, too:

'Wheel Of Fortune' Contestant Flubs Commonly Misheard Eurythmics Lyric—And Fans Are Shook

... The lyric and song title was from the 1983 Eurythmics song, "Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This)."

Although the final word was fully spelled out, contestant Chris Bryant failed to give a correct response because he mispronounced "this" as "these."

Technically, Bryant was incorrect.

However, his gaffe is understandable given how the British pop duo's singer, Annie Lennox, sounds when she sings "this" to rhyme with "seven seas" in the next phrase.

This is an example of what's called a "slant rhyme," which is a type of rhyme with similar words that are not identical. Lennox draws out the word "this" for emphasis....

Otoh, I THINK I'd get it right if I was literally staring at "This".

[O Really]

The field of contestants in "Wheel" has been pretty lame lately. May be intentional, though, to stir up buzz. Nobody ever tweets about some contestant reading the answer correctly.

[GoCubsGo]

I've had this wrong for 39 years, too:

Otoh, I THINK I'd get it right if I was literally staring at "This".

I think everyone has had it wrong.

Still debatable after watching the vid.

[neoplacebo]

I've had this wrong for 39 years, too:

Otoh, I THINK I'd get it right if I was literally staring at "This".

I think everyone has had it wrong.

Still debatable after watching the vid.

I saw it, too. It is kind of ambiguous, but after watching her again i can see how it's actually"these."
Everybody's searching for something.......

[Vrede too]

I've had this wrong for 39 years, too:

Otoh, I THINK I'd get it right if I was literally staring at "This".

I think everyone has had it wrong.

Still debatable after watching the vid.

I saw it, too. It is kind of ambiguous, but after watching her again i can see how it's actually "these."
Everybody's searching for something.......

After watching/hearing the vid I get that it's really "this" and has always been "this".

[Ulysses]

The field of contestants in "Wheel" has been pretty lame lately. May be intentional, though, to stir up buzz. Nobody ever tweets about some contestant reading the answer correctly.

What on earth does the field of contestants on "The Wheel of Fortune" have to do with rock music?