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GoCubsGo wrote:
Tue May 03, 2022 9:53 pm
Guess it's officially trump's Supreme Court now.

A Supreme Court in Disarray After an Extraordinary Breach
The right is whining the loudest about the leak, but this was my initial thought:
... In an editorial last week, The Wall Street Journal expressed concern that Roberts was trying to persuade Kavanaugh and Barrett to take his narrower approach.

The point of the leak, then, may have been to lock in the five-justice conservative majority.

“I would be wary of jumping to a conclusion that the leaker is necessarily someone who opposes overturning Roe v. Wade,” said Richard L. Hasen, a law professor at the University of California, Irvine.

Kermit Roosevelt, a law professor at the University of Pennsylvania, said the source was probably trying to increase the price of switching positions.

“In terms of who leaked it and why, it seems much more likely to me that it comes from the right in response to an actual or threatened defection by one of the five who voted to overturn Roe,” he said. “Leaking this early draft makes that more costly for a defector because now people will think that they changed their vote after the leak in response to public outrage.” ...
The leaker is often outed, but we may never know.
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I've been pointing out for some time now that the leaked "decision" is just a draft. I consider it entirely possible that two such drafts were drafted, one with a majority in favor of rescinding Roe, and the other in favor of keeping Roe. Who knows, maybe there were also other versions. If so it would stand to reason that the leaker was trying to influence the court one way or the other.

The other possibility is that Roberts will put a clamp on the whole thing, and we will not see a decision on Roe this year. Perhaps not ever.

Here's hoping.

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Wow, talking about throwing shit on the wall.

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GoCubsGo wrote:
Wed May 04, 2022 3:00 pm
Wow, talking about throwing shit on the wall.
:roll: :puke-left: :obscene-birdiered:
Is she (Ketanji Brown Jackson) even there yet? :roll:
no
Let's not let that get in the way.
I thought cults would be cooler, you know?
They aren’t even trying to hide their racism.
She's not even a sitting Justice yet.
Newsmax pandering to their base: the least educated among us.
People actually watch this and think it’s true. Let that sink in.
My dad loves this crap. Argh.
Newsmax is a strong case against the First Amendment.
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Bruh, just say you don't like black people and be done w/it.
where's his white hood?
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All is well.

Nothing to see here.

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SCOTUS expecting visitors?

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In other news, water is wet.

Mr. Roberts nightmare is coming to pass.


Poll: Confidence in Supreme Court has collapsed since conservatives took control
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Lock her the fuck up.

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GoCubsGo wrote:
Fri May 20, 2022 5:40 pm
Lock her the fuck up.
:thumbup:

More revelations and analysis:

Ginni Thomas emailed dozens of Arizona lawmakers urging them to overturn Biden's 2020 win: Report

It's not just con ideology, there's a traitor on SCOTUS.
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Vrede too wrote:
Fri Jun 10, 2022 5:00 pm
GoCubsGo wrote:
Fri May 20, 2022 5:40 pm
Lock her the fuck up.
:thumbup:

More revelations and analysis:

Ginni Thomas emailed dozens of Arizona lawmakers urging them to overturn Biden's 2020 win: Report

It's not just con ideology, there's a traitor on SCOTUS.
Sure makes me wonder what Clarence's thoughts on Pence's power was as VP and the constitutionality on overturning the election. IIRC, he was the only dissenter on a couple of trumpaloon challenges.
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Has the court ever been more politicized? It's becoming a disgrace.

A pox upon the house of Thomas!

“So the odds are not based on the legal merits but an assessment of the justices’ spines, and I understand that there is a heated fight underway,”

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Yes,
All the originalist states rights SC judges "voted" to prevent Florida from counting ballots per the Florida Constitution and per an actual "Ruling" by the conservative Florida Supreme Court did in fact appoint a president in 2000.
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https://hartmannreport.com/p/the-suprem ... dium=email

Interesting article and probably likely considering how quickly we jump from one outrage to a next and even worse outrageous right-wing next step to destroy everything.

This make Roe v Wade an almost petty concern.


"The ”novel” argument that a group of Republican states’ Attorneys General are advancing, and Neil Gorsuch has already endorsed in a lower court ruling before he was placed on the Court, is breathtaking. It could end most protective government regulations in America.

They’re arguing, essentially, that the EPA (and any other regulatory agency)  can’t do all the steps listed above: instead, that detailed and time-consuming analysis of a problem, developing specific solutions, and writing specific rules has to be done, they say, by Congress itself.

In other words, Gorsuch says, Congress itself — not the EPA — must evaluate the science and then write the rules.

As if Congress had the time and staff. As if Congress was stocked with scientific experts. As if Republicans in the pockets of fossil fuel billionaires wouldn’t block any congressional action even if it did.

Back in 1984 the Supreme Court concluded, in their Chevron U.S.A. v. Natural Resources Defense Council decision, that it only made sense that Congress would set goals and regulatory agencies, stocked chock-a-block with scientists and experts, would do the science and write the rules.

That doctrine is called “the Chevron deference.” Courts should defer, SCOTUS said, to the regulatory agencies, since they’re the ones with the expertise.

But Gorsuch has argued, essentially, that making rules — even the detailed scientific minutiae of rules — should be done by Congress instead of the EPA, and that agencies like the EPA should simply play the role of cops on the beat, enforcing those rules.

He wants to overturn Chevron v NRDC."


"My bet is that if they’re going to do this (the New York Times this week is speculating it’s probable) in the West Virginia v EPA ruling that’s expected any day, and that they’ll drop the decision on the same day as their abortion or gun rulings, guaranteeing that most people won’t hear a thing about it.

Keep an eye on this decision: it’ll probably get no meaningful media coverage because it seems so bureaucratic and administrative (and may be buried in abortion or gun control news).

In truth, if it goes as is now expected, it will evoke the last lines of T.S. Eliot’s poem The Hollow Men:

This is the dead land
This is cactus land
Here the stone images
Are raised, here they receive
The supplication of a dead man's hand
Under the twinkle of a fading star. …

This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper."
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billy.pilgrim wrote:
Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:08 pm
https://hartmannreport.com/p/the-suprem ... -preparing

Interesting article and probably likely considering how quickly we jump from one outrage to a next and even worse outrageous right-wing next step to destroy everything....
:shock: The environment may be the immediate and obvious impact, but there's also labor, banking, Wall St, healthcare, transportation, energy, the military, immigration . . .
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Vrede too wrote:
Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:57 pm
billy.pilgrim wrote:
Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:08 pm
https://hartmannreport.com/p/the-suprem ... -preparing

Interesting article and probably likely considering how quickly we jump from one outrage to a next and even worse outrageous right-wing next step to destroy everything....
:shock: The environment may be the immediate and obvious impact, but there's also labor, banking, Wall St, healthcare, transportation, energy, the military, immigration . . .
Yep, can you imagine Herschel, Marge and Boebert in charge of the finer details of governance?
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billy.pilgrim wrote:
Tue Jun 21, 2022 12:04 am
Yep, can you imagine Herschel, Marge and Boebert in charge of the finer details of governance?
Senator Herschel - We really need a suicide or 'kill me now' emoji, but I'm too lazy to go looking elsewhere.
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Biden may have effed up by refusing to pack the court.

It empowered them.
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Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:28 am
Biden may have effed up by refusing to pack the court.

It empowered them.
Manchin, Sinema and possibly other Dems never would have gone along with it, thus making Biden's choice to not try easy.
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GoCubsGo wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:28 am
Biden may have effed up by refusing to pack the court.

It empowered them.
Manchin, Sinema and possibly other Dems never would have gone along with it, thus making Biden's choice to not try easy.
Probably, but to take it off the table was still a mistake.
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